Jackpine Nutjobs are more insane than I thought.

[Tavarious Jackson]

Right now, they are cheering the current state of our nation, literally wanting to burn the world. They are not progressive, not patriotic, and very much un-American. We are in serious times and no one should be taking any of this lightly let alone cheering it.

http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/the-entire-senior-level-of-state-department-management-just-resigned-to-avoid/

[Agschmid]

1. This is a stupid OP.

Trolling is just trolling, that's the end of it.

[truebluegreen]

3. +1

[fleur-de-lisa]

6. I agree. Let it go, for Dog's sake . . .

[NCTraveler]

16. They are the "both parties are the same" crowd.

Most have now outed themselves as complete tools for Trump. That was well known by most if us from their both parties are the same bullshit, but somehow wasn't obvious to all. We should have daily reminders as to who these shitstains really are.

[radical noodle]

30. It wasn't even that

it was Trump was better than Hillary. They think the Russian thing is not real. I wonder sometimes who some of them really are. I recognize some as people I'd once admired here, but some of them seem to be right wing trolls stirring the pot. Most of them seem to have no plan to ever vote for Democrats.

[demmiblue]

17. Thank you.

I ventured over there in the beginning, then quickly realized...

I don't know why anyone would want to give them clicks (I think you are right... trolling).

We have bigger fish to fry.

[JI7]

26. no it's not. These Fuckers were allowed to Attack Obama and other dems on this site for years

While claiming to be progressive.

That should always be shown for what they really are about.

[Agschmid]

37. What happens there has zero impact on what happens here.

We should stop wasting our breath on stupid shit.

[boston bean]

38. You do as you please, others will do as they please. There is nothing more to it than that.

[JI7]

40. it isn't taking much . and i see it as no different than pointing out freerepublic

And other right wing sites and the stupid shit posted there.

[Agschmid]

42. IMO that's usually also a waste of time.

[LanternWaste]

149. If I think something is a waste of time

If I think something is a waste of time, I simply avoid it rather than wading into a discussion of that very thing to inform others my time is being wasted... as it would quickly become evident I chose in bad faith, to waste my own time by reading it.

[Cha]

125. I agree.. we had to put up with their emoprog shite for

for years.. I left for 2 years because of the ODS.. now it turns out they root for the sexual predator, racist, homophobic, trump.

Good to know they're exposed for what they are.

[MyNameGoesHere]

50. Well I like it

It keeps me up to date on who the enemies of America and the world are, and who supports them here on DU. I find these fishing Ops very useful.

Fishing is good today.

[Agschmid]

53. They aren't the enemies of America, they are fellow Americans.

Sure I don't agree with jack shit of what they say for the most part but to call them "enemies of America" is hyperbole, and will just keep the Trumps coming.

[JI7]

56. they are enemies of progressives

[Agschmid]

59. We should probably stop calling people we'd like to vote with us enemies.

Seems like a good place to start, we lost the last election.

This isn't the way to win the next one.

[JI7]

61. those people aren't going to vote with us. that actively work to defeat democrats

[mcar]

69. They will never vote with us

Democrats will never be pure enough for some of them and the others are RT shills.

I, for one, willl never forget how they tore down the best President of my lifetime, and the Democratic nominee this time. They deserve every bit of disdain they get.

[k8conant]

112. I agree.

I felt the same way when I was viewed as an enemy for being a Bernie delegate at the National Convention. I wanted us to stand for principles not personalities and to emphasize the strength of our Democratic platform. I want us to stand proudly now, not be vilified for whatever happened before in the heat of political drama. I want us to resist the Trump maladministration boldly and strongly and fight for a future for us and the generations after us and for our country and our planet.

[Agschmid]

116. Yup.

[Stallion]

134. Fighting the Good Fight ain't Going to Do Jack When You've Lost Control of 3 Branches of Government

I blame anybody who didn't vote for the Democratic nominee which soon will also cost us the Supreme Court-a generational loss

[boston bean]

58. wow.

[Agschmid]

60. I know I'm also shocked he called people who excercised thier right to vote

"Enemies of America"

[JI7]

62. they called Hilary a cunt

Fuck them

[Agschmid]

73. Yup, and that's disgusting.

But still does that mean we need to create a thread about everything they do?

No.

It's a waste, and you are just feeding the trolls.

[JTFrog]

133. No more of a waste than all your posts trying to shame people over what you consider wasted time.

Others may consider things differently.

There is a lot to be learned from the useful idiots who carried the alt-right and Russian's propaganda and fake news for almost an entire election season. And now we see how their cognitive dissonance continues.

It's a great study.

[boston bean]

63. The full throated defense you offer to people who have screwn this country over so badly, is eye

popping.

[Agschmid]

71. ... people voted, they are allowed to do that, in fact it's their right.

Sure that election didn't go the way I wanted it to, but eventually we need to figure out how to work together (to get what *WE* want). Right now democrats have no control of congress or the White House, this election was a disaster for us, we need to learn from it.

We should be outraged at what Trump is doing but we shouldn't be mocking people who voted for him. We need to understand why they did it and figure out how we run a campaign which speaks to everyone in 2018.

[JI7]

82. they supported him because they are bigots

And we should call them out. Especially Since they spent years attacking democrats. Mainly POC and feminists.

[boston bean]

84. And its others rights to voice disagreement with votes

that they disagree with.

They can deal. I wouldn't let it bother her yet u so.

[Agschmid]

103. Calling people names as the OP does is not voicing disagreement with their votes.

It's just petty.

[boston bean]

113. No name anyone ever called thos bigots made them vote for a bigot.

No more excuses for them.

[Agschmid]

117. I'm not making excuses for them, just saying we are wasting energy and time.

Clearly people don't feel the same way, no biggie. Just don't expect me to join in the bashing for fun.

[boston bean]

121. People can mind their own time.

[Agschmid]

122. Yup, as can I.

Don't expect a free pass just because I'm a minority voice.

[boston bean]

124. No one said you couldnt or that you were wasting it. But you have of other.

[JTFrog]

135. "The line between being a bigot and voting for a bigot is so thin as to be nonexistent." nt

[SidDithers]

151. Nailed it...

Sid

[bettyellen]

91. They also shit posted all sorts of BS sexist and racist stuff and yeah....

I think they're so fringe there is nothing we can learn or usefully get for them. They're professional cranks and trolls.

[Agschmid]

104. Well they (for the most part) aren't here, and we shouldn't bring them here with OP's like this.

Of course that's just my opinion.

[boston bean]

115. Don't let it bother you if peoe don't follow your suggestions or feel differently.

You are after all critical of others when you do what you do.

So, hows about letting people call out bigots. Doing so will never be considered nice by the bigot.

[stevenleser]

144. He claims it doesn't bother him, but it clearly does.

He's fighting awfully hard against something that doesnt bother him.

[Agschmid]

148. "Fighting awfully hard" ... aka replying to posts.

[stevenleser]

142. And as you note you have no proof of that, just your opinion. My opinion is we are seeing more of

their screwed up attitudes and posts here.

[Agschmid]

147. Ok.

[MyNameGoesHere]

111. Treat them as equal

Americans at your own peril.

[LanternWaste]

150. I can only imagine how convenient it must be

I can only imagine how convenient it must be to the lazy mind to have others inform one who their enemies are, regardless of the wiggly little bait you use for your fishing expeditions.

[Raine]

57. Agree ... nt

[Rex]

74. Killed it in one!

The desperation by some here is LOL funny.

[Agschmid]

78. Sometimes it pays to be first.

[Rex]

86. Good point.

The Usual Suspect here have a new enemy...same shit, different year. At least they will foam over that site and leave people here alone.

[LanternWaste]

152. Self-validation often requires as much.

Self-validation often requires as much.

[randome]

80. Eh. I don't mind so much.

It reminds me that we were right to throw out whiny losers like MannyGoldstein in the first place. And does WilliamRivers(Fitzmas)Pitt have a home there, too? It wouldn't surprise me. I say we never forget what those and their ilk tried to do here any more than we should forget what Republicans have been doing to us. 'Move on' is not the correct point of view, imo.

[stevenleser]

97. It's not a stupid OP. Some folks clearly post both places and think JPR attitudes are OK.

They aren't. They don't belong here or in any other sane place.

I am going to post more reminders of the kind of stuff they say there.

[Agschmid]

102. Go for it, no one can stop you.

I might call it a stupid OP, but I know you can handle that.

[Rex]

106. LOL!

[stevenleser]

114. Yep, and just like here, many folks will disagree with you. nt

[Agschmid]

118. Disagreement doesn't bug me.

I stand by my point.

[stevenleser]

119. Same here. nt

[elleng]

110. Damn right!

[Blecht]

136. Yup! Stupid, useless post.

[truebluegreen]

2. (shrug)

I'll bet they think the same nice thoughts about you. Why bother?

[Hoyt]

4. They think they'll be in control and come out ahead when it all goes down. Fools need to go live on

a dirt farm for awhile.

[Squinch]

51. They think that because Helter Skelter worked so well the first time.

[In_The_Wind]

5. Good grief!

[Gothmog]

7. There are some real idiots on that board

[Tavarious Jackson]

8. Meanwhile, Their prophet's approval rating keeps dropping nt

[Gothmog]

132. That has been fun to watch

[pnwmom]

9. They are. And the worst thing is to remember how influential

some of them used to be when they were here.

[Tavarious Jackson]

12. I think they need to be exposed.

Shine a light when we can about who they are

[melman]

18. You are oddly wrapped up

in this for someone who supposedly joined in May 2016.

[bettyellen]

27. They were hunting POC and feminists here all spring alerting in everything to get rid of them...

They tried - and succeeded at times- in censoring both feminists and POC here. It was repulsive and went on way too long, and some people here need to be reminded we're not falling for their "all the same" bullshit. Never again!

[sheshe2]

29. You are 100% correct, bettyellen. nt

[bettyellen]

47. They're hoping we will forget that- and we sure as hell will not.

[mcar]

70. +1000!

[Cha]

129. Oh yes they were.. it was disgusting. They censored POC, Feminists,

and anyone who spoke the truth.

Who wouldn't be happy they have their own little pit.

The Barack Obama Group was our only refuge during much of the last 8 years.. they couldn't go there to spew their cheap shots on the President. If they did it was the last time. We only had that sanctuary when I came back in 2012.

Confined to a Group on a Democratic Board.

Thank you, bettyellen~

[bettyellen]

154. I was hiding in the AA group because they'd never hang out there but they started dropping by

Lecturing people and alerting on them there too. They claimed it wa racist to talk about racism. The AA group got another one of them visiting yesterday too. SMH

[Cha]

157. Oh I know that.. saw the excessive

damage done there.. we just blocked them immediately in the BOG. no second chances unless they PMed and asked for one and they had a good excuse.

I remember all their twisting and turning why we couldn't point out racism and talk about the concerns of AA members.. that was "racism!!!!"..

[bettyellen]

158. Yes- and the endless lies that people were called racist when what people were saying they were

Being ignored- that was fake outrage, through and through.

[ProfessorGAC]

48. Ditto

You're carrying a modest post count and judging pretty aggressively
Seems like you're in a glass house and throwing rocks

[melman]

128. What?

Post count is irrelevant. Sign up date generally is as well, but it's curious in this case.

Why would someone have such an interest in board wars that happened largely when they weren't here.

Allegedly.

That's the point. Which you obviously missed. So, actually I am not in a glass house throwing rocks. At all.

[Rex]

79. LOL!

I love how this place exposes these type of posters! Love it!

[StevieM]

19. I don't really know anything about that site or who posts there. Are there names I would recognize?

It's hard to keep track of all the posters here. (I have often wondered how many posters here actually recognize me as a regular poster).

For example, is NYC SKP a poster there?

Also, do you know how much DU's traffic has declined by since the primaries?

[pnwmom]

22. Well, Manny Goldstein for one.

Ida Briggs is another. Nadine. There are a lot of familiar names.

No, I don't know about DU's traffic numbers.

[boston bean]

43. sabrina and octafish..

a wealth of conspiratorial knowledge.

[tenderfoot]

49. Not missing MG, especially not missing Ida

Ida Priggs. Total right wing troll.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

23. The individual who started linked to JPR post is a former DU member

[Agschmid]

39. DU's traffic numbers have decreased but they always do after the election.

They will increase again as we get closer to 2018.

Donate to the site if you like it, make sure it stays around.

[Maru Kitteh]

41. I recognize you; and you would recognize many posters there. nt

[TrekLuver]

10. If I were you I would not check in there. I know I haven't.

[m-lekktor]

11. You really are obsessed with them.

I am sure it pleases many of them to no end that they really irk the shit out of so many of you! They LIVE for these threads!!

[pnwmom]

15. I've never seen any evidence of that. What's yours? n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

44. And you seem to know a lot about them, what they watch, how they feel . . .

[DanTex]

66. You're the one who seems obsessed.

Some of us think its worthwhile (and fun) to occasionally show some of the crazy things that get posted on right-wing sites like JPR and FR. Not sure why it bothers you so much, but if it does, there are plenty of other threads here to click on.

[NCTraveler]

13. Trump Humpers. Nt

[geek tragedy]

14. please don't drag that crap in here

they left and we're glad they left, so it does none of us any good to link back to them

[boston bean]

45. I don't mind the reminders. Many of those people were sexists and racists. I'm not forgetting..

No one should.

[DanTex]

67. Disagree. Same as posting the occasional link to crazy threads on FR, or insane things

Trump supporters say on twitter. I don't see the problem with it.

[RelativelyJones]

20. What's the point of freaking out?

They are a different site. Who cares. You are not going to change their minds.

[DanTex]

65. It's not freaking out, it's pointing out stupid things that right-wingers say.

To expose and discuss the craziness of their thinking.

[ismnotwasm]

21. The reason they are dangerous is because we have elections coming up

Assholes like them are going to spew the same mal-informed nonsense they have been spewing. JPR is just a troll site, and fun to mock once in a while but there are other others out there that claim to be progressive, but are in reality just anti-Democrat Party.

So while I don't care what they do over there, exactly, I do care about the absolute shit that gets spread as truth. Scorched earth is not a technique that works without causing horrible damage to our most vulnerable people.

[radical noodle]

32. X 1000 n/t

[Mosby]

24. the thread about nuland is way worse

[SidDithers]

25. Did they mention her cookies?..

They were strangely obsessed by Nuland's cookies back in the day.



Sid

[Mosby]

36. I don't get the cookie reference but I looked and found this comment

or perhaps some community service work

handing out cookies in Yemen or Somalia or sudan – I hear they are hungry.

The OP used some website called macedoniaonline. It claims that Nuland "will be remembered for being behind at least a dozen coups around the world, with the most famous being of course in Ukraine.

She is also responsible for the fiasco in Lybia, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, the very successful coups in Bulgaria where a new Government was installed three times in fourteen months, and is behind the unsuccessful coups in Hungary and Macedonia to name just a few."

[octoberlib]

54. Macedonia is a hub for pro-Trump fake news sites

Over the past year, the Macedonian town of Veles (population 45,000) has experienced a digital gold rush as locals launched at least 140 US politics websites. These sites have American-sounding domain names such as WorldPoliticus.com, TrumpVision365.com, USConservativeToday.com, DonaldTrumpNews.co, and USADailyPolitics.com. They almost all publish aggressively pro-Trump content aimed at conservatives and Trump supporters in the US.

The young Macedonians who run these sites say they don’t care about Donald Trump. They are responding to straightforward economic incentives: As Facebook regularly reveals in earnings reports, a US Facebook user is worth about four times a user outside the US. The fraction-of-a-penny-per-click of US display advertising — a declining market for American publishers — goes a long way in Veles. Several teens and young men who run these sites told BuzzFeed News that they learned the best way to generate traffic is to get their politics stories to spread on Facebook — and the best way to generate shares on Facebook is to publish sensationalist and often false content that caters to Trump supporters.

As a result, this strange hub of pro-Trump sites in the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is now playing a significant role in propagating the kind of false and misleading content that was identified in a recent BuzzFeed News analysis of hyperpartisan Facebook pages. These sites open a window into the economic incentives behind producing misinformation specifically for the wealthiest advertising markets and specifically for Facebook, the world’s largest social network, as well as within online advertising networks such as Google AdSense.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became-a-global-hub-for-pro-trump-misinfo?utm_term=.jgEvodOZV#.hwl3Mm81j

[Maru Kitteh]

46. Ohmygawd Sid. I fucking love your new avatar. nt

[SidDithers]

156. ...

Sid

[Motown_Johnny]

28. They seem to be praising the protest signified by the resignations.

Even the first post says "Unsure if this is a good thing".

Your OP appears to be an "alternative fact".

[G_j]

34. Really

I don't get it

[Motown_Johnny]

76. Did you read the post? "To avoid working with Trump" caught my eye.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/the-entire-senior-level-of-state-department-management-just-resigned-to-avoid-working-for-trump-report/

The ‘entire senior level’ of State Department management just resigned to avoid working for Trump: report

The Washington Post’s Josh Rogin reports that “the entire senior level of management officials resigned Wednesday” as part of an “ongoing mass exodus of senior foreign service officers who don’t want to stick around for the Trump era.”
According to the Post’s sources, the action started shortly after Tillerson visited the State Department’s headquarters in Foggy Bottom on Wednesday, when the State Department’s long-serving undersecretary for management, Patrick Kennedy, resigned. The Post claims that the Trump administration had been looking to replace Kennedy.

Kennedy was only the start, however, as three other top State Department officials announced on Wednesday that they were following him out the door: Assistant Secretary of State for Administration Joyce Anne Barr, Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs Michele Bond and Ambassador Gentry O. Smith, director of the Office of Foreign Missions.

[G_j]

146. I was agreeing with you

sorry it wasn't clear.

[bettyellen]

35. More often they are happy anyone who worked with Obama or HRC is gone now...

[Rex]

83. LOL!

A lot of people here like alternative facts. Same people too, what are the odds?

[Motown_Johnny]

85. "To Avoid Working With Trump"

It appears to be framed as a protest.


You really are the one who seems to be forwarding the alternative facts here. If not, please post some evidence to support your claim.

[Motown_Johnny]

88. Then please present some evidence to support your point of view.

I disagree with you but would be happy to discuss the possibility that I am wrong. Unfortunately, your insults are not persuasive.

[Rex]

89. What insults, you were exposed by fellow DUers as stirring up trouble.

That thread you linked to...you didn't even read it did you? Seriously, you should read it first...get back with me when you do.

[Motown_Johnny]

94. That is what the OP linked to.

I did read it. There are comments on both sides but most are saying that anything that hurts Trump is a good thing and a mass resignation hurts Trump.

Most on DU think (D)s should not be working with Trump when it comes to passing legislation. Why is not working for Trump in his administration different?



P.S. Accusing me of presenting alternative facts was insulting.

[Rex]

98. Well you did present alternative facts and got called on it.

Nice word salad. You just agreed with most of them, you know those folks you just called nutcases? Proud now?

Edit - Oh wait you are not the thread starter...funny you didn't notice that either.

[Motown_Johnny]

99. I presented actual facts. You have not.

I presented the "To avoid working with Trump" phrase as the key to the article.

You seem confused. I did not call anyone a "nutcase" nor anything else. I am just interpreting the post as support for a protest against Trump.


Again I ask, Please present some evidence to support your claims including my calling people "nutcases".

[stevenleser]

100. Everytime I have asked that person for evidence they got upset and hurled insults. nt

[Rex]

101. Nope.

Nice try.

[Motown_Johnny]

107. Your posts are all illogical. Maybe you have the wrong avatar.

Spock would draw conclusions based on facts. You have not showed you possess that capacity. Could you please attempt to do so?

[Rex]

108. Nope.

Nope. Something, something condescending.

[Motown_Johnny]

120. Thanks for proving my point. n/t

[Rex]

123. .

[Motown_Johnny]

105. I try to be patient and polite.....

but sometimes it ain't easy.



Thanks for the moral support.

[Rex]

109. .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Somehow this quote from The Great Gatsby seems appropriate

“They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.”

[irisblue]

52. accurate description of trump as well

[mcar]

72. You nailed it, DSB!

They do not care about suffering people here or globally as long as they get their "progressive" nirvana.

[uponit7771]

90. +1

[HassleCat]

33. We're not completely innocent here on DU.

Every once in a while, somebody loses control and starts foaming at the mouth. Of course, that results in a time-out, so we're more restrained. Even so, there is some "blow up the world" sentiment here. Understandable, I think.

[FiveGoodMen]

55. Comments there are much the same as here.

What's your problem, exactly?

Are you calling DUers nutjobs, too?

[Jim Lane]

64. True, and that includes comments sniping at the other site.

Posts on DU are a bad source of information about JPR. Posts on JPR are a bad source of information about DU.

In each case, a thread about "We are sooooo much better than they are" will draw a lot of enthusiastic support.

Of course, noting the major areas of substantive agreement wouldn't help anyone's sense of moral superiority. Therefore, the usual pattern for posting on either site about the other is to reverse cherry-pick, by selecting some unrepresentative posts and hyping them.

As someone who reads both sites, I find the whole situation very depressing.

[leftstreet]

77. +1

too true

[xocet]

81. Indeed. n/t

[Rex]

92. Not depressing, typical...oh so typical of some on this site.

[uponit7771]

93. The extremism isn't and that's the biggest difference, I'm not going to minimize that

[.99center]

96. No comparison, you have decent moderation and ownership at DU.

I've never seen moderators of DU actively post conspiracy's that led to violence. That pizza shit was way over the line, I honestly think they were trying to bring in ad revenue by allowing posters, including moderators, to post right wing fake news story's to increase traffic.

[mcar]

68. Lots of familiar names in that thread

Spouting pure, undistilled bullshit.

[Rex]

75. Almost everyone in your link is bashing Trump.

[ronnie624]

126. I read and post there.

There are only two regulars I've seen, who I would characterize as luke-warm to the new administration, and they are called to task frequently. Most of the posts here about that site, are quite dishonest.

[Rex]

130. It takes all of 5 minutes to go look at that site and see for yourself.

But those pushing false news here are great. They keep it entertaining I guess. I mean I could say the same thing about DKos or Reg. They pretend too they only post at one place like it is all they ever knew.

[stevenleser]

95. Thank you for this OP. We need regular reminders. I try to post a few now and then.

There is bleed from the attitudes there to here. I've seen it increasing over the last few weeks.

[SticksnStones]

141. I've been on one to two juries a day...almost every day

It certainly seems like the bleeding back to this site is ramping up to pre-primary levels.

Slow but steady antagonism on the rise.

[BainsBane]

127. They have no concept of what the state department does

So much ignorance and hatred.

[Ellipsis]

131. One trick pony

[Fearless]

137. This thread sounds like a good way to unite the Democratic Party

[JTFrog]

138. This thread is about a group of people who actively worked against the Democratic Party.

What do you mean unite?

[Fearless]

139. This statement is false.

[seaglass]

140. How can you say that Fearless? If they didn't vote for the nominee of the Democratic party

they worked against the Democratic party. If there are members who voted for Hillary they are not vocal about it. Many who did not vote for her are vocal about it.

[Omaha Steve]

153. My DU OP from Sept 23

The Rogue Doctors Spreading Right-Wing Rumors About Hillary’s Health

Need I say more?

OS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512435404

[Fearless]

159. You're claiming an unquantifiable number of people

[JTFrog]

145. Lol. nt

[Blue_Tires]

143. traitors and scum, all of them

[Blue_Tires]

155. I don't pay any attention to them

they're dead to me afaic