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ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:29 PM Jan 2017

Let's build the wall! Aren't public works projects good?

All the prevailing wage jobs. The local suppliers. Contractors. The economy around the region would boom. Hell even taco trucks would flourish. All those tax dollars going to create tons of well paying jobs.(when you talk like this, wall supporters all of a sudden aren't so supportive. They hate brick layers making 50 dollars an hour more than they hate "illegals" all of a sudden.).

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Let's build the wall! Aren't public works projects good? (Original Post) ghostsinthemachine Jan 2017 OP
I prefer ones that actually work for the public, though. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2017 #1
word. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #7
It's a TrumpCo wall. The suppliers and contractors are going to be stiffed. haele Jan 2017 #2
It might actually be funny... forgotmylogin Jan 2017 #3
They'll pre-cast it in right to work states citood Jan 2017 #4
Texas has 38 elected officials in Congress gratuitous Jan 2017 #5
I know the issue is not very funny but when you mentioned Doreen Jan 2017 #6
The wall works as folly too, and that's good ghostsinthemachine Jan 2017 #8
Unless they've got a set of plans just laying around... Blanks Jan 2017 #9
It took China safeinOhio Jan 2017 #13
I encourage people to "fly " the border in Google Earth Blues Heron Jan 2017 #10
I can see Mexican kids just standing there and watching. world wide wally Jan 2017 #11
was picturing something similar onethatcares Jan 2017 #12

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,129 posts)
1. I prefer ones that actually work for the public, though.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:30 PM
Jan 2017

And aren't just a colossal waste of time and money and cheap publicity stunt meant to curry favor with the base.

haele

(12,628 posts)
2. It's a TrumpCo wall. The suppliers and contractors are going to be stiffed.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:33 PM
Jan 2017

All those small businesses that will be subcontractors to do the actual work will be out of business within a year as they'll be lucky to get 1/3 of what they were contracted to get - for the privilege of building Trump's Great Wall.

Haele

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. Texas has 38 elected officials in Congress
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:40 PM
Jan 2017

None of them (not one) will go on record in support of Trumpwall. I wonder what message Texas voters will send in the next election, and to whom?

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
6. I know the issue is not very funny but when you mentioned
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:45 PM
Jan 2017

the taco trucks I had this vision of dozens and dozens of taco trucks lining up on both sides to feed the workers and also the vision of all of the money made by the taco trucks on both sides going over to Mexico and not this country. No money for this sides government. It was just a vision that popped into my head. I really think this whole thing is sad and outrageous.

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
8. The wall works as folly too, and that's good
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jan 2017

With the wall not doing diddly squat to curb immigration, drug smuggling etc, it will show America how incredibly dumb Republicans are. Couple that with nightly scenes of horror at th3 border and dreamers taken from their families and America will turn completely from hate.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
9. Unless they've got a set of plans just laying around...
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 07:01 PM
Jan 2017

It'll take months just to come up with a set of plans. It'll have to be surveyed, there'll have to be specifications for the materials. They'll have to put the project out for bid.

Just hiring the people to break up the survey into reasonable lengths in order to bid it out will take a couple of weeks, maybe months. Then the surveyors will have to submit the surveys for approval, then there is the 30% set of plans, the review, the 60% set of plans, the review, the 90% set of plans, the review, then the 100% set of plans. There'll probably be different engineering firms for every 10 to 15 miles of wall, they'll have to be standardized.

Then decisions about materials will be made at the top, and the plans will go back to the 30% stage again. I don't know who is gonna have the oversight on the project. The Bureau of Land Management, The Park System? The DOT just makes sure the state DOTs follow their own specifications, they don't really have an inspection force. The Army Corps of Engineers? There'll be political maneuvering just to see who gets to inspect the inspectors.

Everyone acts like they'll just start building a wall, but it's not like when Obama did his 'shovel ready' jobs. The highway departments have plans for streets, roads, bridges just laying around waiting for funding. There isn't a set of wall plans, wall specifications and wall bid documents laying around for a wall because we don't typically build walls, it's not like building a bridge.

We have walls for sound barriers along the interstate, but that isn't going to work. They'll have to start from scratch on some of this. Engineers are used to working from past projects, that's how you know what's encouraged, accepted, etc.

world wide wally

(21,733 posts)
11. I can see Mexican kids just standing there and watching.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 07:18 PM
Jan 2017

Waiting for someone to drop a tool their side of the wall and selling it back.
I love those kids.

onethatcares

(16,161 posts)
12. was picturing something similar
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 07:23 PM
Jan 2017

the Americans building 10 ft of wall, the Mexicans taking 10 ft of wall down. They stay in place forever.

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