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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:21 AM Jan 2017

Tulsi Gabbard needs to be primaried

Last edited Fri Jan 27, 2017, 04:32 PM - Edit history (3)

Tulsi Gabbard, the self-styled “progressive” Hawaiian congresswoman makes no secret of her recent trip to Damascus to meet Bashar al-Assad. But, as an outspoken opponent of what she presents as America’s pro-terrorist foreign policy, Gabbard certainly accepted some strange companions on what her fellow lawmakers are calling a disgraceful reputation-laundering tour of a bloody dictatorship.

Gabbard, as her own office has disclosed, took her “fact-finding” trip with a delegation of two men who are affiliated with an anti-Semitic political party accused of using female suicide bombers; of beating up Western and Arab journalists; helping U.S.-designated terrorist organization Hezbollah and the U.S.-sanctioned Syrian regime wage war in the Levant. And did we mention the party’s ideology and flag take their inspiration from Nazism?

Gabbard initially declined to say who financed her trip to Syria. However, in a press release Wednesday Gabbard revealed her delegation (which also included former Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich) had been “led and sponsored by” an outfit called the Arab American Community Center for Economic and Social Services (AACCESS—Ohio). Her statement added she and the rest of the delegation had been accompanied by two men, Elie and Bassam Khawam.

Almost no information exists in the public domain about AACCESS—Ohio. Ohio Secretary of State records indicate it was founded in 1991, and has been in and out of existence ever since. It has sponsored just one other Congressional trip, one that brought Kucinich to Syria in 2006 and in 2011. Its website is out of action. It has no identifiable social media presence.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/26/democratic-congresswoman-used-affiliates-of-a-violent-anti-semitic-political-party-to-take-tea-with-assad.html

What a fucking hypocrite... And Bernie Sanders and his followers need to disassociate themselves ASAFP before Tulsi drags the whole goddamned party down...

EDIT: And one of the usual suspects tried and failed to get this locked... Better luck next time!

EDIT: Now you're 0-for-2... Keep raging, and I'll keep laughing. All those hundreds of "We need to primary DWS" threads stood, and you didn't have a problem with them then, so this will stand. Hell I'm old enough to remember "Primary Obama" threads in 2012, so y'all best slow your roll.

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Tulsi Gabbard needs to be primaried (Original Post) Blue_Tires Jan 2017 OP
About Time Somebody Said It Me. Jan 2017 #1
I've been saying it. herding cats Jan 2017 #8
Her primary opponent lost in 2016.. hopefully in 2018, cats. She's my rep.. Cha Jan 2017 #79
She's my Rep, Me.. and she was Primaried in 2016.. JSYK.. Cha Jan 2017 #78
Go After Her Cha Me. Jan 2017 #97
Another one of the Tea Party tactics we need to use... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #2
She's in a safe Dem seat. herding cats Jan 2017 #9
Our problem has been failure to find real Dems to run... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #10
I'd be happy to move to Hawaii..eom mrmpa Jan 2017 #17
Damn right!! workinclasszero Jan 2017 #22
As Bernie Sanders Supporters Originally... LovingA2andMI Jan 2017 #3
"The Curious Islamophobic Politics of Dem Congressmember Tulsi Gabbard" JTFrog Jan 2017 #4
A few weeks before Ellison takes charge of the DNC? HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #5
What does that have to do with wanting to primary this dino in 2018? Cha Jan 2017 #80
K&R mcar Jan 2017 #6
She's Hindu. There is not a lot of love lost between them and Muslims hollowdweller Jan 2017 #7
Why is kind of irrelevent.... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #11
If She Wats To Govern She Needs To Get Over 'Mindsets' Me. Jan 2017 #12
I'm Hindu and I manage to live without being a raging bigot La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #48
I despise this woman. I can't understand why some on DU wanted to support her. randome Jan 2017 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #14
You're trying too hard... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #20
If Bush had funded the "moderate rebels" of the Syrian Civil War killbotfactory Jan 2017 #16
Wars are always easier to start than to end.... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #18
Assad created this bloodbath himself Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #24
And we prolonged it killbotfactory Jan 2017 #38
Yeah, because Assad has been so "respectful" of religious minorities Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #42
Russia already had a presence in Syria before the civil war started. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #45
But there weren't troops on the ground and bombers in the air then Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #65
Fuck war. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #74
This is on fucking assad.. please don't try to blame President Obama Cha Jan 2017 #82
I like Obama but this has been too-clever-by-half realpolitck bullshit from day one. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #90
President Obama is Principled.. assad gassed his own people.. Cha Jan 2017 #91
If Assad isn't in charge, it's either Al Nusra or ISIS that will take over. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #93
Gabbard, the long-time Obama basher, on FOX no less, will use this trip as foreign policy experience brush Jan 2017 #96
I don't care if she criticized Obama, she's exactly right on the Syrian civil war. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #103
She's a DINO opportunist who may be right twice a day like a broken clock. And who paid for the trip brush Jan 2017 #107
I know, what a vacation, to visit a country in the middle of a brutal cival war. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #108
What the hell does Sean Penn have to do with it? He's not a blue dog pretending to be a progressive brush Jan 2017 #109
Pro-Iraq war democrats and news journals of record condemned him as an apologist for a dictator. killbotfactory Feb 2017 #113
OK, you're a fan of hers but she's still a DINO. She's no progressive brush Feb 2017 #114
I'm with Holly on this one, but would go farther . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #19
Nice to know the liberal whitewash of Assad continues on DU Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #27
How can she be an antisemite . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #36
How can Donald Trump be a misogynist... NYC Liberal Jan 2017 #55
Research Sheldon Adelson's history. George II Jan 2017 #58
Oh, that's right... I remember you Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #35
I looked for you on Twitter. I'll PM you my name if you want to follow and I'll follow back? bettyellen Jan 2017 #64
Ah, the valiant fighting keyboarders are . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #98
What does Secretary Clinton have to do with this discussion? George II Jan 2017 #54
Is Kucinich still on the payroll of Fox News? Jose Garcia Jan 2017 #62
Guilt by Association Alert . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #72
kucinich on trump's inauguration speech.. so yeah.. your "Guilt Cha Jan 2017 #84
Not only is he on the payroll.. he's a fucking tool for it.. Cha Jan 2017 #85
Yeah, kucinich is full shite.. And, I oppose gabbard because she's my Cha Jan 2017 #86
Democrat Tulsi Gabbard Defends 'Frank and Positive' Trump Meeting Cha Jan 2017 #88
Sounds like an AIPAC attack. tenorly Jan 2017 #21
We couldn't get rid of Assad because congress dragged their feet Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #30
If it seems too good to be true bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #23
Yes, she is one of the few Dems I think this is true about La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #25
Haters continue to hate Ned Flanders Jan 2017 #37
I really have trouble looking past the bigotry but YMMV La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #50
One only need look at her votiong record and ranking by liberal and conservative metrics ... etherealtruth Jan 2017 #66
Her anti Muslim statements don't matter at all? uponit7771 Jan 2017 #68
She's my Rep and you have no clue why we don't want her.. you just throw Cha Jan 2017 #92
thank you Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #116
I voted for her primary opponent, Shay Hodges, in 2016.. Cha Jan 2017 #87
The Daily Beast article - just read the whole thing . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #26
there's plenty more out there if you want to google Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #32
I can understand the drug vote and after this year I'll give em all a couple of bolters but I don't uponit7771 Jan 2017 #67
I can find the quote if you want but Generator Jan 2017 #28
This woman is one of the most dangerous politians in Washington IMO. Trust Buster Jan 2017 #29
You should add again. rogue emissary Jan 2017 #31
Who knows, with the associations she's made in the last year or so.... George II Jan 2017 #33
Agreed Gothmog Jan 2017 #34
I have had serious concerns with her anti-gay and Islamophobic past still_one Jan 2017 #39
after reading that. I do too. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #102
HELL YES leftynyc Jan 2017 #40
I noticed that she cut ties with the DNC when the first hack came out. LisaM Jan 2017 #41
Yup -- I called her a TRojan horse on here almost a yaer ago obamanut2012 Jan 2017 #44
If I didn't respond to you then, I apologize! LisaM Jan 2017 #46
She has never been progressive -- she is a Trojan horse obamanut2012 Jan 2017 #43
Agree. LisaM Jan 2017 #49
They sure did obamanut2012 Jan 2017 #51
It's actually really depressing. Just last night I was warding off arguments LisaM Jan 2017 #57
Yes, she conceded in 2008 weeks before the convention and then supported the nominee wholeheartedly. George II Jan 2017 #59
What a contrast, eh? LisaM Jan 2017 #63
Yes, for this and a thousand other reasons. mahina Jan 2017 #47
Disagree maryallen Jan 2017 #52
There are surely young, sprited politicians in Hawaii Blue_true Jan 2017 #69
she does MFM008 Jan 2017 #53
K&R NYC Liberal Jan 2017 #56
She was primaried by an actual progressive... SaschaHM Jan 2017 #60
But then Nazi Richard Spencer would have a sad . . . Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #61
I disagree. Tulsi's been doing a good job for Hawaii. AJ.Akia Jan 2017 #70
Wow, a post that uses actual evidence . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #71
They can easily find another Dem to do those things in HI Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #83
I disagree with you.. she's my Rep and I don't want her.. blocked her Cha Jan 2017 #94
Thanks maryallen Jan 2017 #100
Pop quiz: Which Democratic politician do DUers think needs to be primaried the most? Jake Stern Jan 2017 #101
Whichever one failed to kiss Clintons ring in the primary, obviously. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #106
So... Evidently Richard Spencer and David Duke think Tulsi is just peachy! Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #73
As does Bannon BainsBane Jan 2017 #77
How Tulsi Gabbard became Assads mouthpiece in Washington Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #75
The guy who gassed his own people.. she parrots him well.. she also had this Cha Jan 2017 #89
And anyone who opposed the Iraq war was a Saddam apologist. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #104
A tragically flawed comparison Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #110
Are you trolling me? killbotfactory Feb 2017 #112
Evidently Steve Bannon is a big fan, too? There's no defense for this woman so why even try? Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #76
K&R Jamaal510 Jan 2017 #81
Exclusive: The group @TulsiGabbard said paid for her Syria trip hasn't existed in years Cha Jan 2017 #95
indefensible... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #99
wtf ?????? JI7 Jan 2017 #105
Another jackass I was right about. nt msanthrope Jan 2017 #111
And the other shoe finally drops (as does any defense of Tulsi): Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #115

herding cats

(19,559 posts)
8. I've been saying it.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:18 PM
Jan 2017

There's a reason she's the Republican's favorite Democrat. She is dangerous, and not on the side of peace and democracy.

Cha

(297,126 posts)
79. Her primary opponent lost in 2016.. hopefully in 2018, cats. She's my rep..
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:55 AM
Jan 2017

I voted for Chan Hodges..

Jun 29 2016, 8:39 am ET

Longtime ‘Fighter’ Shay Chan Hodges Takes on Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard

snip//

Chan Hodges said her life's work shows she's a fighter, recently working with nonprofit organizations and families to help pass Act 210 and address zoning laws related to childcare and agricultural land. She said she understands the very real problems Hawaii faces, including a lack of jobs, a housing crisis, and substance abuse.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/longtime-fighter-shay-chan-hodges-takes-hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-n599371

'Course gabbard is all grandstanding on foxscrews etc

gabbard has most of the District fooled here on Kauai.. Shay got 14,000 votes though if I remember correctly.

gabbard needs to be primaried again in 2018.

Cha

(297,126 posts)
78. She's my Rep, Me.. and she was Primaried in 2016.. JSYK..
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:53 AM
Jan 2017

I voted for Chan Hodges..

Jun 29 2016, 8:39 am ET

Longtime ‘Fighter’ Shay Chan Hodges Takes on Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard

snip//

Chan Hodges said her life's work shows she's a fighter, recently working with nonprofit organizations and families to help pass Act 210 and address zoning laws related to childcare and agricultural land. She said she understands the very real problems Hawaii faces, including a lack of jobs, a housing crisis, and substance abuse.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/longtime-fighter-shay-chan-hodges-takes-hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-n599371

'Course gabbard is all grandstanding on foxscrews etc

gabbard has most of the District fooled here on Kauai.. Shay got 14,000 votes though if I remember correctly.

gabbard needs to be primaried again in 2018.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
97. Go After Her Cha
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:46 AM
Jan 2017

If anyone can do it you can.

Not saying running cause I don't know your situation, though I bet you'd be a great rep. But you can keep on doing what you do, talking and writing.

herding cats

(19,559 posts)
9. She's in a safe Dem seat.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:19 PM
Jan 2017

There's zero reason to put up with her there. We can easily fill that seat with a real Democrat.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
3. As Bernie Sanders Supporters Originally...
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:43 AM
Jan 2017

We would concur that Tulsi Gabbard needs to face a STRONG PRIMARY CHALLENGE. She is a Turn-Coat and the evidence is beyond obvious at this point.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
7. She's Hindu. There is not a lot of love lost between them and Muslims
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:13 PM
Jan 2017

I understand her mindset because I've known a lot of same with it.

Don't agree with it though.

Wounded Bear

(58,641 posts)
11. Why is kind of irrelevent....
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:24 PM
Jan 2017

if she wants to keep the seat, she should act a little more like a Democrat and stop giving aid to our opponents.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. I despise this woman. I can't understand why some on DU wanted to support her.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:42 PM
Jan 2017

Unless it came from looking for hero worship in all the wrong places. Then it's just short-sightedness.
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Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #15)

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
16. If Bush had funded the "moderate rebels" of the Syrian Civil War
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:59 PM
Jan 2017

The reaction here would have been completely different.

We had no business trying to overthrow Assad, and it's just created a gigantic bloodbath.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
24. Assad created this bloodbath himself
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:57 PM
Jan 2017

and Russian aircraft have played the biggest role in perpetrating said bloodbath, but you go right on thinking this is Washington's fault

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
38. And we prolonged it
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:11 PM
Jan 2017

We should have kept out of it, like we did with Bahrain and Saudi Arabia crackdowns.

There are no good guys in this fight.

What kind of government do you think the Islamic jihadists want? Why the fuck do we keep arming Islamic radicals? Do you think they would respect the rights of Syria's religious minorities?

Why did we insist Assad step before any peace deal when all the other brutal authoritarian officials would have still been in place?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
42. Yeah, because Assad has been so "respectful" of religious minorities
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:28 PM
Jan 2017

yeah he loves anyone who supports his regime, but minority dissidents are dead...

And while I agree there are no "good guys" in this fight, there IS a clearly defined line between 'bad' and 'worse'... And once you discover how a destabilized Syria benefits Moscow, you have your answer.

Personally, I'd have preferred the Syrians fight to take back their own country themselves, but they fled to Turkey and Europe by the millions instead so here we are...

But all this is moot because Putin's BFF Trump is in power, which means Putin can directly manipulate major U.S. policy with a phone call -- So if you want a complete withdrawl I'm guessing you'll see it in the very near future.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
45. Russia already had a presence in Syria before the civil war started.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:34 PM
Jan 2017

Part of the reason we wanted to topple the Syrian government was to push them out of their naval base on the Mediterranean.

And I don't believe for a minute that the armed insurrection would have kicked off without the west and our gulf allies giving them support behind the scenes.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
65. But there weren't troops on the ground and bombers in the air then
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 03:41 PM
Jan 2017

Regardless, a pullout is what the isolationist/Putinist left wants, and that's what they'll get... But I won't be silent when revisionists try to make Assad into some kind of victim, or hero... And the stakes are too high for any supposed Dem to be openly whoring herself out and getting in bed with Trump-Putin-Assad...

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
74. Fuck war.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:54 PM
Jan 2017

I think Obama has been a very competent president, but this Syria mess is fucking disgusting to me. When Hillary came out in the debates promising to escalate the conflict my heart sank.

I'm supposed to support the overthrow of Assad, when the likes of Al-Qaeda are poised to take over? How the fuck can anyone support that? You think if Assad disappeared the islamic jihadists will become more freedom loving and reasonable? This situation is crazy. WTF

Cha

(297,126 posts)
82. This is on fucking assad.. please don't try to blame President Obama
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:59 AM
Jan 2017

for this fubar like gabbard.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
90. I like Obama but this has been too-clever-by-half realpolitck bullshit from day one.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:57 AM
Jan 2017

We're funding terrorists for fucks sake. The "moderate rebels" or the FSA are little more than a western friendly front for islamic jihadists. They've been working with Islamic Jihadists and selling them arms the whole time.

It's the same playbook we used when funding the muhajadeen, which turned into the Taliban and Al Qaeda. It's fucking insane.

Cha

(297,126 posts)
91. President Obama is Principled.. assad gassed his own people..
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:07 AM
Jan 2017
How Tulsi Gabbard became Assads mouthpiece in Washington

snip//

Principled opposition to U.S. intervention in Syria is one thing. Becoming a tool of a mass murderer’s propaganda and influence campaign is another. Gabbard’s cooperation with the Syrian regime damages her effort to promote herself as a legitimate foreign policy voice.

If Gabbard really didn’t know the men who sponsored her “fact-finding mission” to Syria, she should have. To many, the entire affair proves that Assad’s Washington influence campaign is alive and well and now has a sitting congresswoman for a mouthpiece, whether she realizes it or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-tulsi-gabbard-became-assads-mouthpiece-in-washington/2017/01/29/215e9c70-e4bf-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.d8e23bf74b11

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
93. If Assad isn't in charge, it's either Al Nusra or ISIS that will take over.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:17 AM
Jan 2017

Because they are the largest fighting forces opposed to Assad. It's true regardless of what you think of Assad or his regime.

brush

(53,764 posts)
96. Gabbard, the long-time Obama basher, on FOX no less, will use this trip as foreign policy experience
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 06:29 AM
Jan 2017

when she runs for higher office, probably for the Senate.

Her ambitious DINO-ism — what with her appearances on FOX, her high-profile resignation from the DNC and attention-grabbimg jump to the Sanders campaign has been quite obvious to anyone paying attention.

This OP is on the right track. It's not about whether Obama or Assad is at fault. It's about an opportunistic DINO so do not be fooled by this headline-grabbing trip of her's funded by some suspect organization.

It's glaringly obvious that Gabbard needs to be primaried as her interests are in furthering her career, not what's best for our party.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
103. I don't care if she criticized Obama, she's exactly right on the Syrian civil war.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 02:52 AM
Jan 2017

She was a medic in the military. Perhaps she is ACTUALLY opposed to funding islamic jihadists because it's a stupid idea that's wrought nothing but the kind of horror she's seen first hand?

Oh, of course not. The candidate who said "we came, we saw, he died" and laughed is the humanitarian.

Or maybe the "moderate" republican: John "Bomb, bomb, Iran" McCain who agrees with her, is on the right side of history.

What the fuck.

brush

(53,764 posts)
107. She's a DINO opportunist who may be right twice a day like a broken clock. And who paid for the trip
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 03:03 AM
Jan 2017

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
108. I know, what a vacation, to visit a country in the middle of a brutal cival war.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 03:13 AM
Jan 2017

I wonder who paid for this assholes trip back in the day: http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/story?id=118513

brush

(53,764 posts)
109. What the hell does Sean Penn have to do with it? He's not a blue dog pretending to be a progressive
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 03:48 AM
Jan 2017

Last edited Tue Jan 31, 2017, 10:07 AM - Edit history (1)

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
113. Pro-Iraq war democrats and news journals of record condemned him as an apologist for a dictator.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 02:33 AM
Feb 2017

Just as the pro-Syria war democrats are doing with Tulsi.

It never occurred to them or you that they are just trying to prevent or end a profound and horrible evil?

brush

(53,764 posts)
114. OK, you're a fan of hers but she's still a DINO. She's no progressive
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 03:31 AM
Feb 2017

Progressives don't go on Faux Noise bashing their own president then cozy up to trump, the enemy, when he "wins".

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
19. I'm with Holly on this one, but would go farther . .
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:10 PM
Jan 2017

People, look at that post. It presents zero in the way of actual
evidence as to why Gabbard should be opposed.

The post is mostly about guilt by association - can't we do
better than that?

Lots of people have met with Assad - including Vets For Peace.
Means nothing.

Kucinich told a group of us last month that the Syrian Civil War
is "a Saudi Project." I think he is right.

And of course as a backer of the war in Iraq, Sec. Clinton also has
some responsibility for the Syrian Civil War - more than Gabbard.

Overall, the case presented here against Gabbard is so incredibly weak
as to be insulting.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
27. Nice to know the liberal whitewash of Assad continues on DU
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:01 PM
Jan 2017

Last edited Fri Jan 27, 2017, 03:36 PM - Edit history (1)

I'll bookmark your little nugget for later.

So you're 100% convinced the case for a primary challenge of Gabbard is "weak" and I haven't even gotten into her antisemitism and anti-LBGT comments yet? Okay.

:large

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
36. How can she be an antisemite . .
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:06 PM
Jan 2017

and pal around with Sheldon Adelson at the same time?

Pretty neat trick !!

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
35. Oh, that's right... I remember you
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:05 PM
Jan 2017

and since you never responded the challenge I sent you in PM (after you of all fucking people called me out), on to the ignore list you go, tough guy!

I'll see you on Twitter sometime, assuming you have the stones

George II

(67,782 posts)
54. What does Secretary Clinton have to do with this discussion?
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jan 2017

Have you seen the things Gabbard has said and done (including some of her votes) over the last year or so?

Cha

(297,126 posts)
84. kucinich on trump's inauguration speech.. so yeah.. your "Guilt
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:08 AM
Jan 2017

by association" accusation doesn't hold up.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028519714

he's full of shite.

Cha

(297,126 posts)
86. Yeah, kucinich is full shite.. And, I oppose gabbard because she's my
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:14 AM
Jan 2017

Rep and she gives 0 fucks about the real problems of Hawaii.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028519714

he's full of shite.

Cha

(297,126 posts)
88. Democrat Tulsi Gabbard Defends 'Frank and Positive' Trump Meeting
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:43 AM
Jan 2017

snip//

Hawaii was Trump's single worst state (he got only 29 percent of the vote).

Gabbard, who has often challenged President Barack Obama on national security and supported Bernie Sanders' presidential candidacy, said she discussed Syria and other foreign policy issues with Trump.

Gabbard, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, also said she and Trump discussed legislation that she is pushing that would end what she described as "our country's illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government."

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Democrat-Tulsi-Gabbard-Defends-Frank-and-Positive-Trump-Meeting-402411576.html

gabbard normalizing the monster trump for her own agenda.. right in line with trumputin's agenda..

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
21. Sounds like an AIPAC attack.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:32 PM
Jan 2017

The fact remains we should have never tried to destabilize Syria, just to get rid of Assad.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
30. We couldn't get rid of Assad because congress dragged their feet
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:03 PM
Jan 2017

and by the time folks came around, Moscow had already fortified his grip on power

bucolic_frolic

(43,124 posts)
23. If it seems too good to be true
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:45 PM
Jan 2017

All that glowing PR in 2016 about her ... I did say to myself, if all this
is true, where and why has she been hiding?

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
25. Yes, she is one of the few Dems I think this is true about
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:57 PM
Jan 2017

She is less progressive than her district and is a general embarrassment

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
37. Haters continue to hate
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:10 PM
Jan 2017

Sure looks like this is not because of her actions, but because of who she associates with. And I don't mean possible Islamic terrorists.

I'm afraid to list her contributions and qualifications, because I'll no doubt be accused of refighting the primaries, sad lol.

But she stood with the water protectors when so many "DU progressives" were silent. She has been a loud voice for progressive causes, and to minimize her contributions simply to support your own beliefs regarding her character reflects poorly upon yourself. Can't you recognize the achievements of Dems who's worldview is different than yours?

Cha

(297,126 posts)
92. She's my Rep and you have no clue why we don't want her.. you just throw
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:09 AM
Jan 2017

out the "haters continue to hate" deflection

I want her primaried Again in 2018.. I voted for her primary opponent in 2016.

She's "assad's mouthpiece in Washington"..

How Tulsi Gabbard became Assads mouthpiece in Washington

snip//

Principled opposition to U.S. intervention in Syria is one thing. Becoming a tool of a mass murderer’s propaganda and influence campaign is another. Gabbard’s cooperation with the Syrian regime damages her effort to promote herself as a legitimate foreign policy voice.

If Gabbard really didn’t know the men who sponsored her “fact-finding mission” to Syria, she should have. To many, the entire affair proves that Assad’s Washington influence campaign is alive and well and now has a sitting congresswoman for a mouthpiece, whether she realizes it or not.

MOre..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-tulsi-gabbard-became-assads-mouthpiece-in-washington/2017/01/29/215e9c70-e4bf-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html


Democrat Tulsi Gabbard Defends 'Frank and Positive' Trump Meeting

snip//

Hawaii was Trump's single worst state (he got only 29 percent of the vote).

Gabbard, who has often challenged President Barack Obama on national security and supported Bernie Sanders' presidential candidacy, said she discussed Syria and other foreign policy issues with Trump.

Gabbard, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, also said she and Trump discussed legislation that she is pushing that would end what she described as "our country's illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government."

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Democrat-Tulsi-Gabbard-Defends-Frank-and-Positive-Trump-Meeting-402411576.html

gabbard normalizing the monster trump for her own agenda.. right in line with trumputin's agenda..








 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
116. thank you
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 05:03 PM
Feb 2017

I love DU, it has made me who I am today. Thanks for the info, I'll research further.

But sometimes the DU groupmind gets it wrong. Trust, but verify.

Seriously, thanks again for setting me straight.

Cha

(297,126 posts)
87. I voted for her primary opponent, Shay Hodges, in 2016..
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:33 AM
Jan 2017

Jun 29 2016, 8:39 am ET

Longtime ‘Fighter’ Shay Chan Hodges Takes on Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard

snip//

Chan Hodges said her life's work shows she's a fighter, recently working with nonprofit organizations and families to help pass Act 210 and address zoning laws related to childcare and agricultural land. She said she understands the very real problems Hawaii faces, including a lack of jobs, a housing crisis, and substance abuse.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/longtime-fighter-shay-chan-hodges-takes-hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-n599371

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
26. The Daily Beast article - just read the whole thing . .
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:59 PM
Jan 2017

is really a hatchet job . .

Among other things, Gabbard is accused of hanging around with both
anti-Semites as well as Sheldon Adelson. It just makes no sense to label her
as both a Zionist and anti-Semite at the same time.

That being said, there are Dems who need to be primaried, and perhaps
Gabbard is among them.

But first on MY list are the 13 DINO Senators who voted against the
import of prescription drugs from Canada . .

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
67. I can understand the drug vote and after this year I'll give em all a couple of bolters but I don't
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 04:11 PM
Jan 2017

... understand anti Islam statements and associations.

There are few progressives that I'll give the benefit of the doubt to on that

 

Generator

(7,770 posts)
28. I can find the quote if you want but
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:02 PM
Jan 2017

here's the gist of what she said about Assad after she visited.

"He's the president. So we (meaning the US) have to support the president of Syria." IE who gives a crap they are gassing some of their own people-cause he's president-now salute.


Seriously frightening-she literally would have supported Saddam, Qaddafi, Stalin, and of course Trump.

She's one scary woman. Nuts or a Putin stooge hard to tell.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
29. This woman is one of the most dangerous politians in Washington IMO.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:02 PM
Jan 2017

She represents a potential Trojan horse candidacy for President. She seems to only care about her own self promotion and expects to rise through the ranks at lightening speed. Beware of her folks.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
31. You should add again.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:03 PM
Jan 2017

Shay Chan Hodges ran against her last year but Hodges made little traction. so it's going to be difficult to do it again. Gabbard made her bones by complaining about the DNC debate schedule. So what did she do when Hodges challenged her to debates. If you said stuck with her principles and welcomed a debate, nope. Gabbard refused to debate Hodges and unfortunately went on to win her primary 84.5% to 15.5%

This article opening line is got to be sarcasm at it's highest form. Gabbard didn't announce the trip till after she was on her way back. She wouldn't say who went with her, who paid for the trip, and if she met with Assad. I watched multiple reporters tweet these questions to her. It took days for Gabbard or her office to finally respond to them.

Hodges continues to challenge Gabbard's progressive status on social media. In fact, Hodges criticised Gabbard past foreign policy foray. She also warned about Gabbard's anti-Islamic extremism during their primary run. I hope she or someone else will try running against Gabbard the next time her seat is up for reelection.

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. Who knows, with the associations she's made in the last year or so....
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:04 PM
Jan 2017

....she may decide to run as a republican anyway.

LisaM

(27,801 posts)
41. I noticed that she cut ties with the DNC when the first hack came out.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:22 PM
Jan 2017

Remember when the data was breached in December 2015 and a certain candidate's people spent hours downloading it and got a (mild) slapdown? That's when she first appeared on the national scene, identified as a so-called "rising star" of the DNC, but criticizing them and sowing seeds of doubt, which flourished with the manure some people spread on them. Then she was suddenly everywhere, spewing her venom. I found it curious at the time, and I'm going to have a tin foil hat about her sudden media presence and the timing of that data breach for a loooong time.

obamanut2012

(26,067 posts)
44. Yup -- I called her a TRojan horse on here almost a yaer ago
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:34 PM
Jan 2017

And was attacked by the JRers. I stand by her being one.

LisaM

(27,801 posts)
46. If I didn't respond to you then, I apologize!
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:36 PM
Jan 2017

She was so annoying, I wish I'd noticed others who were on to her.

obamanut2012

(26,067 posts)
43. She has never been progressive -- she is a Trojan horse
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:31 PM
Jan 2017

It got her into the DNC leadership, probably was tapped to be Sanders' running mate, was terrible about Obama and Hillary while leaving TRump alone, and rumor has it was offered a job in the WH. She is a horrible, terrible homophobe and Islamaphobe, and is a wingnut, and only surfacely "changed" to try and destroy us.

LisaM

(27,801 posts)
57. It's actually really depressing. Just last night I was warding off arguments
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:43 PM
Jan 2017

that the primary system was 'rigged' (never mind that the states run the primaries and caucuses, not the DNC). Where the DNC did have an effect was in 2008 when they decided not to count Michigan and Florida's votes because they moved their primaries, which was a death blow to Hillary's campaign, and which, by the way, she didn't whine about. She conceded the primary, even though the votes from those states would have put her in the lead.

George II

(67,782 posts)
59. Yes, she conceded in 2008 weeks before the convention and then supported the nominee wholeheartedly.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:46 PM
Jan 2017

LisaM

(27,801 posts)
63. What a contrast, eh?
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 03:06 PM
Jan 2017

She's pulled in more votes than the other candidate in every race she's run. Let that sink in for a minute.

But back to Tulsi Gabbard.....

mahina

(17,642 posts)
47. Yes, for this and a thousand other reasons.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:36 PM
Jan 2017

If she lost, she would run as an independant and she would likely- almost certainly- win. It's complicated here, culturally.

She is in no way a progressive, aside from supporting Bernie. She's got a plan, does not intend to remain a lowly congressman for long. Look at her past, where the used the city council and state house like bases she touched and kept running. She was checking them off her list.

From a winger political family, when she showed up to volunteer for Senator Akaka, it was as if a Yankee came to Red Sox batting practice. But she ingratiated herself to Auntie Millie Akaka and the ladies, and she was off.

You won't have to look far to find the whole creepy story.

I hope and pray that she will represent the people and not the corporations. And I call and write.

What she did was really disgraceful.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
69. There are surely young, sprited politicians in Hawaii
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 05:09 PM
Jan 2017

That can replace her. A republican is unlikely to win her seat, we need a Democrat in that seat that will come to Washington and consistently fight for diversity and progressive policies, and STAY OFF Fox News.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
60. She was primaried by an actual progressive...
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:48 PM
Jan 2017

But that progressive was savaged for daring to go against someone that endorsed Bernie.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
61. But then Nazi Richard Spencer would have a sad . . .
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:56 PM
Jan 2017



For a brief comedic interlude, read the comments on that tweet.

 

AJ.Akia

(38 posts)
70. I disagree. Tulsi's been doing a good job for Hawaii.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 07:49 PM
Jan 2017

And what's with the disrespect? So much for 'civility.'

Posting neoliberal Tim Mak, Clinton shill, who contradicts himself several times in the same article truly truly shows the OP's colors.
Any self-respecting Progressive is against regime-change wars - remember Iraq? Viet Nam?? Tulsi's progressive bone fides just jumped up a notch in my book because - politics be damned - she dared visit Syria and Lebanon on a fact-finding mission of peace to convey Aloha to the war-weary Syrian people.

She also met with college girls there who told of their hope for peace.


Tulsi has " target="_blank">condemned Assad as a brutal dictator but says to have peace in Syria you cannot leave him out of the conversation

And lastly, Tulsi's progressive values fit well with Hawaii, as does her integrity and honesty in serving Hawaii's people.

She supports equality and LGBT rights, https://www.votetulsi.com/node/250120 
women's rights, immigration rights, and early/STEM education.  
 
She has been working hard for years to end interventionist and regime-change wars http://votesmart.org/public-statement/806351/letter-to-president-barack-obama-no-arms-to-syrian-rebels#.WGyxrBTw9FQ and " target="_blank">supports vetted refugees entering into the US.

 She is against Turmp's ban on refugees. https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-do-not-ban-refugees-entering-united-states
 
Tulsi supports sensible gun control, including banning assault-type weapons and high-capacity magazines, thorough background checks and ending gun show loopholes;  https://www.votetulsi.com/node/25028 legalizing marijuana, and criminal justice reform. https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-continues-bipartisan-push-criminal-justice-reform 
 
She's a life-long environmentalist -- https://www.votetulsi.com/node/25010
a strong proponent of clean energy, climate change, https://gabbard.house.gov/issues/energy-and-environment Link to tweet
" target="_blank">divesting from oil, and protecting our water (including noDAPL) http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/standing-rock-tulsi-gabbard-on-what-pipeline-decision-means-w453806 She urged Pres. Obama to halt DAPL. https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-urges-president-immediately-halt-dakota-access-pipeline
 
She supports labeling of GMOs https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-calls-congress-pass-protections-gmo-labeling and opposes harmful trade deals like TPP. https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-itc-s-report-confirms-tpp-bad-deal-american-people 
 
She is a proponent of Wall Street reform, including breaking up big banks and reinstating the Glass-Steagall Act. 
https://www.votetulsi.com/node/25113
These positions and more can be found here https://www.votetulsi.com/vision 
 
Tulsi is rated a Libertarian-Leaning Progressive and she votes with Democrats 90% of the time http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Tulsi_Gabbard.htm 
 
She has a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood, Environment America, Alliance for Retired Americans and Humane Society and is endorsed by the Human Rights Campaign, Planned Parenthood, Sierra Club and Emily's List, etc. https://www.votetulsi.com/endorsements 

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
71. Wow, a post that uses actual evidence . .
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 11:58 AM
Jan 2017

instead of the name calling seen above.

Folks, I am prepared to consider arguments against Rep. Gabbard,
but will pay zero attention to the sorts of name calling, guilt by
association and ad hominem attacks seen above.

And in fact, Vets For Peace, of which I am a proud member, just
endorsed Gabbard's trip to Syria and stance against regime change . .

"Veterans For Peace endorses Rep. Tulsi Gabbard's bill, the Stop Arming Terrorists Act."

https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/veterans-peace-endorses-gabbard-s-stop-arming-terrorist-act

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
83. They can easily find another Dem to do those things in HI
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:01 AM
Jan 2017

without being an apologist for a murderous dictatorship...

Nice to see you activated a dormant account just to stick up for Tulsi and defend the indefensible by lifting shit from her website... I've seen how this story ends.

Cha

(297,126 posts)
94. I disagree with you.. she's my Rep and I don't want her.. blocked her
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:21 AM
Jan 2017

damn emails bashing on President Obama.. fuck her showboating on foxscrews etc..

How Tulsi Gabbard became Assads mouthpiece in Washington

snip//

Principled opposition to U.S. intervention in Syria is one thing. Becoming a tool of a mass murderer’s propaganda and influence campaign is another. Gabbard’s cooperation with the Syrian regime damages her effort to promote herself as a legitimate foreign policy voice.

If Gabbard really didn’t know the men who sponsored her “fact-finding mission” to Syria, she should have. To many, the entire affair proves that Assad’s Washington influence campaign is alive and well and now has a sitting congresswoman for a mouthpiece, whether she realizes it or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-tulsi-gabbard-became-assads-mouthpiece-in-washington/2017/01/29/215e9c70-e4bf-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.d8e23bf74b11



Democrat Tulsi Gabbard Defends 'Frank and Positive' Trump Meeting

snip//

Hawaii was Trump's single worst state (he got only 29 percent of the vote).

Gabbard, who has often challenged President Barack Obama on national security and supported Bernie Sanders' presidential candidacy, said she discussed Syria and other foreign policy issues with Trump.

Gabbard, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, also said she and Trump discussed legislation that she is pushing that would end what she described as "our country's illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government."

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Democrat-Tulsi-Gabbard-Defends-Frank-and-Positive-Trump-Meeting-402411576.html

gabbard normalizing the monster trump for her own agenda.. right in line with trumputin's agenda..

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
101. Pop quiz: Which Democratic politician do DUers think needs to be primaried the most?
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 05:05 PM
Jan 2017

A.) Senator from West Virginia whose main activity in the Washington seems to be kissing GOP tush -OR-

B.) Representative from Hawaii with a solid slate of endorsements from a host of progressive organizations?

Bonne chance!

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
73. So... Evidently Richard Spencer and David Duke think Tulsi is just peachy!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jan 2017

Nice rogues gallery of support she's collected -- Nazis, the KKK, the Kremlin, and the most extreme and nuttiest elements of the left fringe...

So why shouldn't she be primaried again?





Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
75. How Tulsi Gabbard became Assads mouthpiece in Washington
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:33 AM
Jan 2017

The Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria has had a quiet but well-funded lobbying effort in Washington since well before he began murdering his own people. But that influence campaign’s clearest triumph came only this month, when it succeeded in bringing Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) to Damascus and having her parrot Assad’s propaganda on her return.

Gabbard was not the first U.S. elected official to meet Assad. In the early years of Assad’s presidency, several senior U.S. lawmakers publicly traveled to see the young English-speaking optometrist-turned-ruler, in the hope that he might be a reformer, break with Iran and even make peace with Israel. Then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) visited Assad in 2007. Then-Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) led a delegation in 2009.

After the killing began in 2011, however, Assad’s friends in Washington largely went underground and a covert influence and intimidation campaign blossomed. The FBI began investigating Syrian ambassador Imad Moustapha, due to evidence he was keeping tabs on Syrian Americans who showed disloyalty so the Syrian government could threaten their families back home. Moustapha departed for Beijing in 2012, but he left in place a network of friends, Syrian Americans who nurtured close ties to the regime and worked on Assad’s behalf.

One Syrian American who was close to Moustapha and would often visit his Washington residence was Cleveland businessman Bassam Khawam, according to three Syrian Americans who saw them together but do not wish to be identified for fear of retribution. Five years later, Moustapha is nowhere to be seen, but Khawam is still active. He organized and joined the trip to Damascus for Gabbard and arranged a meeting with Assad.

“This guy has been lobbying on behalf of Bashar Assad in the U.S. even before there was a revolution, and we are deeply troubled he would try to help a war criminal build relationships with sitting members of Congress,” said Mohammed Alaa Ghanem, director of government relations for the Syrian American Council, a nongovernmental organization that works with the Syrian opposition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-tulsi-gabbard-became-assads-mouthpiece-in-washington/2017/01/29/215e9c70-e4bf-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html

Cha

(297,126 posts)
89. The guy who gassed his own people.. she parrots him well.. she also had this
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:51 AM
Jan 2017

to say about trump..

Democrat Tulsi Gabbard Defends 'Frank and Positive' Trump Meeting

snip//

Hawaii was Trump's single worst state (he got only 29 percent of the vote).

Gabbard, who has often challenged President Barack Obama on national security and supported Bernie Sanders' presidential candidacy, said she discussed Syria and other foreign policy issues with Trump.

Gabbard, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, also said she and Trump discussed legislation that she is pushing that would end what she described as "our country's illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government."

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Democrat-Tulsi-Gabbard-Defends-Frank-and-Positive-Trump-Meeting-402411576.html

gabbard normalizing the monster trump for her own agenda.. right in line with trumputin's agenda..

Mahalo for the article, Blue Tires..

How Tulsi Gabbard became Assads mouthpiece in Washington

snip//

Principled opposition to U.S. intervention in Syria is one thing. Becoming a tool of a mass murderer’s propaganda and influence campaign is another. Gabbard’s cooperation with the Syrian regime damages her effort to promote herself as a legitimate foreign policy voice.

If Gabbard really didn’t know the men who sponsored her “fact-finding mission” to Syria, she should have. To many, the entire affair proves that Assad’s Washington influence campaign is alive and well and now has a sitting congresswoman for a mouthpiece, whether she realizes it or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-tulsi-gabbard-became-assads-mouthpiece-in-washington/2017/01/29/215e9c70-e4bf-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
104. And anyone who opposed the Iraq war was a Saddam apologist.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 02:53 AM
Jan 2017

Yeah, that kind of shit was peddled by the respected news organization like the Washington Post and New York Times.

I wasn't amused by it then, I'm not amused by it now.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
110. A tragically flawed comparison
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 10:03 AM
Jan 2017

1. We aren't at war with Syria, even though we oppose the regime. And we sure as hell aren't invading, so please tell me exactly what the hell Tulsi is protesting against?

2. Unlike Saddam, Assad's use of chemical weapons against civilians is well-documented and undisputed.

3. Tulsi had already been making the case for increased direct intervention from Moscow, so don't act like she gives a shit about the Syrian people...

4. I could go on, but I suggest you do further research into this issue, because it's much more complex than your simplistic Iraq=Syria analogy can cover.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
112. Are you trolling me?
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 02:29 AM
Feb 2017
1. We aren't at war with Syria, even though we oppose the regime. And we sure as hell aren't invading, so please tell me exactly what the hell Tulsi is protesting against?


We are funding "moderate rebel" groups who are coordinating with islamic jihadist groups, who our gulf allies are funding, the most powerful of which are an Al Qaeda affiliate. They are also covertly funding ISIS. Who the fuck do you think has been buying ISIS oil?

2. Unlike Saddam, Assad's use of chemical weapons against civilians is well-documented and undisputed.


It is undisputed that Saddam used the chemical weapons, that western countries like ours provided him.We encouraged the conflict with Iran, and then we gave arms and intel to both countries in order to bleed them both. This is more of the same shit.

Are you paid to not see how evil this is?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
115. And the other shoe finally drops (as does any defense of Tulsi):
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:23 AM
Feb 2017

Gabbard to repay cost of Syria trip



Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) will “personally reimburse the cost” of her controversial visit to Syria earlier this month, according to her office.

Gabbard secretly traveled to Syria earlier in January on a “fact finding” mission in the country, which has been devastated by civil war. The Hawaii Democrat confirmed last week she met with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad during her visit. Democrats and Republicans alike were critical of the decision, with members of both parties voicing concerns with the trip in light of Assad’s human rights record.

“An elected official, a representative of the United States, went on a secret trip to meet with the brutal dictator who murdered nearly half a million of his own people – it’s reprehensible and cannot be justified,” Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Colo.) said in a Jan. 26 email.

“The actions of Congresswoman Gabbard have put our nation’s reputation and foreign policy concerns at high risk and I couldn’t be more disgusted.”

Gabbard’s trip was sponsored by the Arab American Community Center for Economic and Social Services (AACCESS) in Ohio.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/317270-gabbard-to-repay-syria-trip-costs


Even I'm interested to learn how a group that doesn't exist foots the bill for a congressional delegation, and how Tulsi plans to reimburse a group that doesn't exist...

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