Does What Trump Is Doing Now Mesh With The Project For The New American Century (PNAC)?....

[global1]

I don't remember all the details about PNAC - but I think it had to do with world domination. I'm just wondering if Trump is working out of the PNAC playbook or if he is inventing his own path to world domination?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. The PNACers were a little more subtle.

Trump's "plan," if there is one, is just to bully everybody so he can feel like a big shot. World domination is more likely Putin's goal, and since Trump is merely Putin's poodle, any world dominating won't be done by Trump.

[still_one]

2. The PNACers were bad, but this is even worse

[asiliveandbreathe]

3. All the while we have a republican congress sitting on their arses..

and just letting it happen...

THIS RESISTANCE is coming from WE THE PEOPLE....so be it!

SO, we have a demented POTUS POS and a republican congress pep squad...RESIST..

[AuntPatsy]

4. They have a new name

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Policy_Initiative

[Ohioblue22]

5. the ideal potus was defined as someone with enough digits

and just smart enough to sign what was put in front of him

http://ia.tmgrup.com.tr/817145/645/400/0/36/800/533?u=

trump seems to fit that definition

[global1]

8. Keep On Associating The Repug Party With Trump.......

Look who is passing the EO's over to Trump to sign - the former head of the RNC. Trump is a puppet of the Repug Party. More and more each day I'm beginning to think that Putin is just a deflection to take the heat off the Repug Party that is calling the shots.

Or the Repug Party is in bed with Putin and together they have some plan to destroy our country and enrich themselves in the destroying.

[coco22]

19. I think its both..

The CONS are getting him to sign everything they want until they get ready to get rid of him and will then pretend to be magnanimous and start distancing themselves from him.

They all know what was in those confidential materials, Democrats and RepubliCONS.

They know that Trump and the crew have connections with the Russians,its all in the timing.

[Kablooie]

6. Even Cheny is against Trump so I'd say no.

[JHB]

7. The PNAC gallery was still rooted in the Cold War...

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...their vision, blinkered as it was, was to "clean up" all of the countries that had been Soviet client states. Naturally they had blinders on and had a peculiar interpretation of what "cleaned up" meant.

They were (and are - they're still around) ham-handed ideologues when they have to enact their wish list.

Trump makes them look like the subtle, insightful wonks they like to think they are.

[global1]

10. So When Did The Repug Party Get In Bed With Putin And Russia?.....

What's the end game here? What are they trying to achieve?

[Hekate]

16. Trump is a Party all to himself, who ran as a Republican. The GOP did not think he was going to win

Then the GOP thought they could manage him. His handlers think they can control him. Well, they can't.

The ill-educated, never took Civics in high school because it was boring or not even offered, alienated, vast middle of this nation swallowed the propaganda whole. Trump was going to be their personal bully who would smite all the people they resented, destroy what they didn't understand, and offer simple solutions to all their troubles.

They all got more than they bargained for. Trojan Horse Donald is the shiny object that is distracting them (and us, and the media if we are not careful) from the real events going on behind him. He's not running the show. Increasingly, the evidence is that Putin and his American tools are.

The GOP in Congress isn't so much in bed with the Kremlin, as they are still in that stage of denial that says there must be a way to handle Mad King Donald, rather than seeing the full catastrophe as it unfolds.

[global1]

21. It's Clear To Me That The Repug Party Is Not Going To Step In And Control Trump.....

The Repug Party is Trump and Trump is the Repug Party. We need to keep associating them with each other. With all the craziness that's been going on these last 7 or 8 days - the American People are getting an education in politics and learning that voting or not voting has consequences.

2018 will be here before you know it. I'm sure there are House Reps and vulnerable Repug Senators that are already beginning their campaign to retain their jobs in 2018.

Trump could provide us with the knockout blow to finally deal with the Repug Party - but the only way for that to really happen is if we continue to tie both Trump and the Repug Party together. They are one and the same and they are destroying America.

The way we deal with Putin is to first deal with the Repug Party. We need to cut them off at the knees and take back control of both the House and Senate - then we can deal with Trump.

I hear all this talk about the Repug Party taking out Trump and moving for his impeachment. I don't believe that it will happen. The Repug Party is afraid of Trump. He knows too much about them and their dirty dealings. If they try and take Trump out - he will take them out with him. So they are going to stay at an arms length of him. We're stuck with Trump for 4 years unless we take back the House and Senate.

And what if Trump doesn't have the dirt on the Repug Party? He'll make up some dirt to take the Repug Party down. He'll lie.

[JHB]

23. When the Kremlin Don faction gained ascendancy...

The Republicans both liked and disliked Putin, mostly because both sides of that could use him to attack Obama.

The "strong leader" group likes a swaggering dictator (as long as he's white and has all the right enemies). These guys love Trump and became active supporters of Kremlin Don.

The other group, neocons and establishment Republicans, portrayed Obama as feckless and ineffective in the face of a guy who wanted to reestablish Russia's empire, and was bold and ruthless in doing so because the opposition (Obama) was so "weak".

These guys have rolled over and will clap on cue when the applause sign comes on. They'll claim different later if they get the chance, but they've caved.

[gordianot]

9. American interests world wide were PNAC's goal.

Trumpism is isolationist Fascism that allows alliances to other Fascist States. May the best Fascist win. There is no real plan for Trumpism other than becoming the most deplorable and "greatest" bully possible. If you are into greed Trumpism is your ticket as long as you stay off his enemies list. Even Neo Cons are a step above Trump.

[Hekate]

11. No. Just look at the reaction of people like Frum, who's absolutely sick over this....

Trojan Horse Donald is the shiny object that is distracting us from what may be the collapse of our country as a democracy. He's dangerous as hell, but he's not running this show.

Project for the New American Century -- sadly, the 21st Century is not going to be the American Century after all.

[Turbineguy]

12. This is PNAC

on bath salts.

Or krokodil.

[killbotfactory]

13. No. PNAC wanted to topple Syria.

"This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran."

Obama helped take out Libya, and almost Syria. He did it in a way that is far less stupid than an all out invasion, but still.

Maybe Trump will invade Iran, but since they are a Russian ally, I doubt it.

[world wide wally]

14. World domination? Yes, but not by America, but a joint effort with Putin's Russia.

I wonder how Trump will handle being #2 in command.

[nycbos]

15. I was here for awhile before the hack.

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What about all those times I heard Hillary was a tool of the PNAC. Something something neocon, neoliberal, GOP lite.

[Hekate]

17. Nothing like swallowing propaganda generated by trolls in Macedonia

[nycbos]

24. Yup

But a lot of those folks were not even in it to help Trump. They had the very rational motive of money.

[Brother Buzz]

18. Think carrot or stick

PNACers used Leo Strauss' playbook, while the yahoo Trumpians are winging it with Il Duce's playbook.

[lunatica]

20. PNAC was about becoming the only Super Power in the world

There was actually a really scary plan by PNAC.

The only truthful thing I can say about Trump is I have no idea what Trump wants other than to have power. Is it for good or for bad? I don't know.

PNAC was very clear about what the signatories wanted.

Trump seems to be clear about what Putin wants.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

22. Trump is more racist. His "plan" back in the 80's was to split the world with Russia.

The Soviet Union at that time.

Trump argued that every country with nuclear weapons should be disarmed, except for the USA and Russia.

That's quite different from the neocons and their anti-Russia bent.

Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2016/03/trump_s_nuclear_experience_advice_for_reagan_in_1987.html