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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:20 PM Jan 2017

BREAKING: Trump's business interests determined the banned-refugee countries.

Posted at 11:03 AM ET today at New York Daily News:

President Trump’s most recent executive order effectively bans citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S. for at least 90 days — but some Muslim countries were spared from the order's blacklist, even though they have deep-seated ties to terrorism.

Conspicuously, Trump doesn't hold any business interests in any of the countries on the list, but holds major stakes in several of those excluded from it, records show.

Friday’s executive order, signed at the Pentagon, suspends the issuing of U.S. visas or travel permits to people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

Not a single American was killed on U.S. soil by citizens from any of those countries between 1975 and 2015, according to statistics tallied by the conservative-leaning Cato Institute.


Link: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-muslim-ban-excludes-countries-linked-businesses-article-1.2957956
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BREAKING: Trump's business interests determined the banned-refugee countries. (Original Post) kstewart33 Jan 2017 OP
Kick. This is why we ALL need to march on April 15, the "Show us your taxes, Trump!" day. Squinch Jan 2017 #1
Agree. eom dae Jan 2017 #7
The petition for Donald to release his taxes is up to 405,370 signatures. briv1016 Jan 2017 #15
We need impeachment now. We might not make it to April 15th. Initech Jan 2017 #18
The more information we get about his conflicts of interest, the sooner we can impeach. Squinch Jan 2017 #20
This probably seems like a dumb question, but is their a site with info? manicraven Jan 2017 #29
http://investigatingtrump.com Eyeball_Kid Jan 2017 #32
Boom! This is another reason for the emoluments clause. elehhhhna Jan 2017 #2
Mr. President... Turbineguy Jan 2017 #3
Now that is a good idea. pangaia Jan 2017 #4
Call him the "unprecedent." nt tblue37 Jan 2017 #12
Mr. peeResident n/t Fritz Walter Jan 2017 #21
I'm never going to refer to him by anything but "Trump." maddiemom Jan 2017 #58
And besides, Bannon performs the policy duties neeksgeek Jan 2017 #59
Does it really make a difference, at this point? Ajji11 Jan 2017 #5
You kill his presidency through a thousand cuts. TranssexualKaren Jan 2017 #25
No, they haven't ignored them. blue neen Jan 2017 #34
Welcome to DU, Ajji11! calimary Jan 2017 #35
The reality is they govern by consent Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #53
Is the media all over this? treestar Jan 2017 #6
I'm watching a piece on it on CNN right now. TranssexualKaren Jan 2017 #26
Besides these, why did he leave out Indonesia, Pakistan, Malaysia, etc? mainer Jan 2017 #8
I couldn't figure out Pakistan or Afghanistan LeftInTX Jan 2017 #39
I found out Trump biz is trying to get in to Pakistan mainer Jan 2017 #40
Well duh Generator Jan 2017 #9
And in other news... SHRED Jan 2017 #10
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Jan 2017 #11
That was obvious from the get go MrScorpio Jan 2017 #13
If that is the reason, I wonder if there is any evidence of collusion with Trump Inc. tanyev Jan 2017 #14
This might not be as bad as it looks. E.A.B. Jan 2017 #16
I disagree. It's worse than it looks. Vinca Jan 2017 #17
If only politicians were honest..... TranssexualKaren Jan 2017 #27
Welcome to U, TranssexualKaren! calimary Jan 2017 #37
This is so stupid!!! logosoco Jan 2017 #19
I had my eyes opened a couple days ago... llmart Jan 2017 #28
"Well I don't really know much about how government works anyway" logosoco Jan 2017 #31
So true. llmart Jan 2017 #36
Remember, YOU are THEIR employer. Would they defy their boss in any other job? calimary Jan 2017 #38
Very good point. I had not thought of that. logosoco Jan 2017 #41
One other thing - the staffers frequently ask for zip codes where you're calling from. calimary Jan 2017 #42
You should make this a whole new thread! logosoco Jan 2017 #43
Okay. I shall do that. Thanks! calimary Jan 2017 #45
Why do you talk to this person? n/t MrModerate Jan 2017 #54
Good question. llmart Jan 2017 #55
I had a discussion last week with a woman ET Awful Jan 2017 #56
This is what we're up against... llmart Jan 2017 #57
They're PROUD of their ignorance. hunter Jan 2017 #60
Oh, I agree... llmart Jan 2017 #61
Yup TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #22
kick for exposure...also rec.. Stuart G Jan 2017 #23
Duh! malaise Jan 2017 #24
just fuck this guy.... dhill926 Jan 2017 #30
Once confiscation of Iraqi oil starts there will be no friends left in Iraq. gordianot Jan 2017 #33
I already saw an article saying Iraqi troops feel "betrayed" by what Trump has done Takket Jan 2017 #47
More evidence for his future impeachment - and it's gonna pile up n/t RiverStone Jan 2017 #44
This should be grounds for impeachment under the emoluments clause Takket Jan 2017 #46
Amen colsohlibgal Jan 2017 #48
Follow the money. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #49
this is a HUGE part of the story JI7 Jan 2017 #50
Simplified, please share... True Dough Jan 2017 #51
Surprise, surprise, surprise... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #52

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
1. Kick. This is why we ALL need to march on April 15, the "Show us your taxes, Trump!" day.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:25 PM
Jan 2017

His whole life is just one big corrupt conflict of interest.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
15. The petition for Donald to release his taxes is up to 405,370 signatures.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:20 PM
Jan 2017

This is the most signatures ever for a whitehouse.gov petition. Please, anyone who hasn't signed please do so right now. It takes all of 2 minutes.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/immediately-release-donald-trumps-full-tax-returns-all-information-needed-verify-emoluments-clause-compliance

Initech

(99,909 posts)
18. We need impeachment now. We might not make it to April 15th.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:30 PM
Jan 2017

Taxes are the least of our worries, he just made us a target for a major terrorist attack.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
20. The more information we get about his conflicts of interest, the sooner we can impeach.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:31 PM
Jan 2017

Yes, I know it's a race against time, but we can only do what we can do.

manicraven

(901 posts)
29. This probably seems like a dumb question, but is their a site with info?
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:10 PM
Jan 2017

How can I find out if there'll be a march in my area or find the closest march (northern Washington State - almost in Canada)?

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
2. Boom! This is another reason for the emoluments clause.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:25 PM
Jan 2017

Evidence of favoritism due to financial interests.

Turbineguy

(37,206 posts)
3. Mr. President...
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:29 PM
Jan 2017

Here's my plan for defeating ISIS. Send over our domestic right wing terrorists to engage ISIS.

(saying "Mister President" to trump sounds kinda weird, or as his supporters would not say, completely incongruous)

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
4. Now that is a good idea.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:32 PM
Jan 2017

In fact, he can also send all those nitwits who voted for him and are scardy sacred of musloom terrorists....or anybody with pigmented skin..


maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
58. I'm never going to refer to him by anything but "Trump."
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 12:10 PM
Jan 2017

I refuse to connect the title "President" to his name in any way.

Ajji11

(6 posts)
5. Does it really make a difference, at this point?
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:41 PM
Jan 2017

I'm beginning to lose hope, and it's only been a week. Everyone seems to be holding hope out for the 2018 mid-term elections, but I genuinely fear for the next two years. It's obvious the GOP is willing to look the other way for pretty much anything Trump does. Even IF they are keeping him around to use as a scapegoat for everything they pass, how much havoc will he wreak until then?

Even if hard evidence confirming something like this comes up, will anyone with the power to make a difference actually do anything about it? I have some serious doubts.

So far it seems they've flat out ignored the marches, protests, and phone calls from their constituents.

blue neen

(12,306 posts)
34. No, they haven't ignored them.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:26 PM
Jan 2017

The fact that their constituents are speaking out is one of the reasons the GOP is hamstrung about Obamacare.

It's easy to lose hope in the political environment we're in, but giving up is not an option. That's what the powers that be want you to do.

calimary

(80,693 posts)
35. Welcome to DU, Ajji11!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:28 PM
Jan 2017

Yeah, I know what you mean. And it's only been a week. BUT, remember - it's only been a week for our side, too. The protests, the numbers, the masses and the new activism spurred by #TheResistance and the Indivisible Guide ( https://www.indivisibleguide.com ) - that is only a week old too. And already it's got the Congressional GOP tied up in knots for fear of what they'll unleash if they stick to their "goal" of taking people's affordable health care away.

Think termites.

Termites take awhile to chew away at the supports under your house and under your roof, til they've undermined the whole works. But MAN, left unchecked, they eventually do.

The bad part of this is - it WILL be slow. But we have to stay on it. If we do that, it will grow and spread and metastasize, and a handful will become legion. And people are ALREADY fired up, Ajji11. I'm 63 and I've never seen this before - the activism that's now spreading and growing more powerful. The GOP already feels the edge of the knife lowering to their throat-level. Many of them will try to ignore it or avoid it or talk their way around it, or hope it goes away. But that's not gonna hold, much less start producing the "results" they had in mind and assumed they'd get, for very long.

Phoenix61

(16,949 posts)
53. The reality is they govern by consent
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:39 AM
Jan 2017

We consent to allow them to tell us what to do. As long as they govern within the lines we will all play nice. We became a nation because we didn't think those who governed us were doing so within the lines. We are a nation of rebels. If we weren't we would be a British colony. That is our nature. That is who we are. Our reps may have forgotten that or maybe they think we have. Either way, they are in for a rude awakening. I've seen posts about Germany in the 30"s. We are not Germany and this isn't the 30's. I've seen posts about Russia in the 70's. We aren't Russia and this isn't the 70's. We are, for better or worse, a nation of rebels. We have never been challenged quite like this before but I believe we will find our roots and do what we do best, rebel.

mainer

(12,013 posts)
8. Besides these, why did he leave out Indonesia, Pakistan, Malaysia, etc?
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:57 PM
Jan 2017

Those are also Muslim majority nations, and at least one terrorist attacker was from Pakistan. Is it because we have too much trade with those nations?

tanyev

(42,356 posts)
14. If that is the reason, I wonder if there is any evidence of collusion with Trump Inc.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:20 PM
Jan 2017

in writing the order. As complicated as his business interests are, it seems like someone would want to check a master list of current holdings to make sure nothing was forgotten.

E.A.B.

(12 posts)
16. This might not be as bad as it looks.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:26 PM
Jan 2017

This could actually be a coincidence. He is targeting countries that many on the right consider enemy states, which typically means that they are not well connected to the global system and the guy seems to have economic ties anywhere he can. This could actually be a coincidence.

That said, this action is wrong on so many levels. From discrediting our country to causing serious hardship to real live ordinary families... well, a couple of days ago I was talking to a friend who was trying to find something positive in the Trump debacle and I said (ripping off someone else, I'm sure) that there's no silver lining to a mushroom cloud.

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
17. I disagree. It's worse than it looks.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:28 PM
Jan 2017

Now I see why Trump got rid of senior State Department employees. He's an incompetent, uninformed, dangerous fool and the GOP should do their fucking duty and start impeachment proceedings in the House.

TranssexualKaren

(364 posts)
27. If only politicians were honest.....
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:51 PM
Jan 2017

I'd like someone to explain to me how is it that Saudi Arabia which produced most of the 9/11 terrorists, beheads woman for infidelity, gays and kids who smoke pot, is really our friend.

calimary

(80,693 posts)
37. Welcome to U, TranssexualKaren!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:31 PM
Jan 2017

Yeah, I think you and I will be waiting an awfully long time for somebody to explain that. Oh, for certain, they'll have "explanations" galore, but not a single one will make sense in the REAL world, as opposed to the "alternative facts" world they WANT to believe in.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
19. This is so stupid!!!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:31 PM
Jan 2017

I might well just leave that as my default reply title!

We need a simple meme (as that seems to be all the Dumpster supporters understand) to tie this in with the countries that the 9/11 attackers were from. Surely they can't be blind to this any longer! (but than again it is my brain I am thinking with here!).

llmart

(15,499 posts)
28. I had my eyes opened a couple days ago...
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:59 PM
Jan 2017

about trump supporters. Until now, I've had no one identify themselves as a trump supporter and I admit I had a profile of what that looked like, but now I'm totally changing my tune. A friend of mine said she voted for trump and I think my jaw dropped. We had a respectful but short (I couldn't trust myself not to alienate her altogether) conversation about him and from what I heard, her main reason for supporting him was that he had no experience with government and she thought that was a good thing. I asked her, "name a line of work where you would actually prefer to have someone with zero experience in that line of work" and that's when those sorts of people have no answer other than some simplistic meme such as "I don't care. I'm tired of all politicians." You can't argue or debate with that level of irrationality and ignorance. She's also a racist which is why she hates Obama. That was very clear to me. It had nothing to do with his policies.

At the end of that conversation, which I decided to cut short and change the subject, she said, "Well, I really don't know much about how government works anyway." There you have it.

I say all this to point out that we have got to stop thinking we can change these people's minds. It's a waste of our time and energies which we need desperately to fight this battle.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
31. "Well I don't really know much about how government works anyway"
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:18 PM
Jan 2017

that could be their slogan!!!

I have two trump supporting friends on FB. They seem to agree with what I talk about so I suspect their vote was outrage or something about the brown guy and his party. I live in a community that went trump, but these past few weeks, people have not had the joyfulness that I remember when Obama was voted in. I think there are a lot of people feeling shame and regret and it is in the air. Except for the day of the women's marches. It was warm and sunny and a good feeling in the air. But that was the only day like that in a while.

I don't think we can change their minds but we have to keep yelling and talking about what is going on that is wrong!

This week I called my Senator who is a Dem. and just emailed the one who is not, as well as my state rep. who is repub. It feels damn good to do that. If they are supposed to represent me they are going to hear from me.

llmart

(15,499 posts)
36. So true.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:30 PM
Jan 2017

I emailed both of my senators who are both dems, but I still want them to know that we're watching them and their votes. I will contact my repuke rep this coming week. Our district was always Democratic until gerrymandering put a repuke in as our rep.

I live in a county that went for trump but not by a great margin, and I found it interesting that the day after the election when most people were in disbelief about how bizarre it turned out, the few that had trump signs in their yards made them disappear so fast it would make your head spin. I'd drive by and say to myself, "Guess you're a little embarrassed to have people know you voted for him."

calimary

(80,693 posts)
38. Remember, YOU are THEIR employer. Would they defy their boss in any other job?
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:58 PM
Jan 2017

Last edited Sat Jan 28, 2017, 05:35 PM - Edit history (4)

Probably not, unless they're stupid and masochistic and don't pay attention and just react at the gut level and ...

Oh, never mind.


Reading the Indivisible Guide ( https://www.indivisibleguide.com ) taught me the importance of focusing on YOUR own "big three" - YOUR two Senators and YOUR Congresscritter. HOWEVER...

I've always believed that you make noise wherever you think it can be heard. YES focus on YOUR reps. But I'd submit that it's also valuable to spread that a little. And I go ahead and call somebody else. For example, Ted Lieu's my Congressman (Glory Hallelujah!) but there's also the next door guy, Brad Sherman, into whose district I may go on, either on a daily basis, or perhaps 3 - 5 days a week. I spend money there. I fill my gas tank there. Our son now lives out there. (HEY! THERE'S a hook, right there!) Our daughter lives in another state - but we visit there and go out to eat and spend money and rent a car and fill the gas tank and visit the local stores and sights, when we're there to hang out with her. So that tells me I have an interest in contacting THOSE reps THERE, also.

FURTHER:
(And I'll use the hapless Heidi Heitkamp as an example.) She's a Senator from North Dakota. Purportedly a Dem, although from some of her votes, I'm not convinced of that. I live in California. I don't know anybody in North Dakota (except for when my son and his band were touring through there and did business there and I was dealing with the local promoters and such). Hmmm - another reason to call the reps there including her.

HOWEVER - when she was first running for the Senate, I responded to a campaign email to send her a donation. I did that a few times. Just a small donation, but it WAS a financial donation. I sent her money. She won. Yay! But then I started to realize she's a DINO on some things - like that horrible time immediately after the Newtown massacre of little innocent school children. She went on "Good Morning America" either the next day or two days after, to assert that there was no way she was going to support restrictions on the right to own massacre machines (some people call them assault rifles or automatic rifles. I call them massacre machines). I called her office and gave 'em hell. BUT FIRST, I told them that yes, I'm not from North Dakota, I'm from California. BUT: when she was campaigning for this job she now has, she was VERY happy to take MY CALIFORNIA MONEY for her campaign. She sure didn't turn my donation away because I wasn't from her state. Neither did her campaign people. They wanted it and were very glad to get it. So yes, in that respect, she works for ME, TOO. And I SAID THAT to the staffer who took my call. I helped her win that Senate seat. So that entitles me to ownership of a little bit of that. I thereby own a piece of it, however small. AS a donor - a financial underwriter of her campaign. I thereby own a piece of that.

Same thing for Joe Manchin from West Virginia. I sent him money, too, when he was first running for the Senate. I won't make that mistake again. AND, FURTHERMORE, next time the opportunity presents itself, I plan to call his office and point out that I was a campaign contributor, AND add that I won't be making THAT mistake anymore.

I had an abrupt tutorial in that whole aspect of out-of-state contacts when I called Susan Collins' office years ago. And I was rudely told by the staffer taking my call: "and WHAT does this have to do with the State of Maine?" THAT kind of situation is where you butt in with "my niece and her family live there and I visit her frequently, and spend money there and support the local economy several times a year, so I have a direct personal interest in the State of Maine that I care about a LOT." That kinda shuts 'em up.

If you have relatives in another state, if you have business interests there, if you own property there, ANY reasons to show how you have a personal connection there, I'd recommend exploiting that fact whenever you interface with the representative class. They may technically not represent you directly, but indirectly? That's quite another matter entirely.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
41. Very good point. I had not thought of that.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 05:02 PM
Jan 2017

I so some shopping in the next county, adding tax dollars to their coffers. That does give me a right to contact them. Also, my name is on my mother's house (as tenants in common) so I can contact her reps as well!!!

calimary

(80,693 posts)
42. One other thing - the staffers frequently ask for zip codes where you're calling from.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 05:22 PM
Jan 2017

I suspect if you're on a cell phone, they'll put 2 +2 together and figure out your area code is NOT from "friendly" turf. But that doesn't mean very much anymore, since people often keep their old numbers - WITH the old area codes - even after they move. I have a friend who has an L.A. area code on her cell number. But she moved to the Midwest years ago. She just didn't change her cell number to reflect that. I'd guess most of the staffers are aware of that.

BUT JUST IN CASE, you can make that point. You can say your personal locale is your mother's house, and use that zip code. After all, if your name is on there, don't you pay property taxes there? So YOU ARE INDEED vested in the local community. Sometimes I've taken to making a note of my friend's or relative's zip codes, so I can give them that when I call that state's reps to give them a piece of my mind.

SERIOUSLY! If
- you interact regularly with people in other states,
- you spend money there,
- you SEND money there,
- you order regularly from there,
- you own property there,
- you have business dealings there,
- you've donated to political campaigns there (so they damn well better listen to you if you underwrote their campaign to win that job)
- or some of your family members and/or friends live there (so whatcha gonna do when you visit? Lock yourself in their closet and not go out or spend money locally to shop, go to dinner, go see a local play or something, or otherwise support the local economy? You gonna go visit and do it from inside a hermetically-sealed locker in their house where you don't have any interaction with the outside world??? I'd guess, probably NOT!)

If you answer "yes" to any of those, above, THEN IT SEEMS TO ME YOU ABSOLUTELY DO have a right to call the reps there and register a complaint, or make your views known. What they do IS affecting you AND your business, property, local relatives. You have a personal interest to protect.

llmart

(15,499 posts)
55. Good question.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:45 AM
Jan 2017

I see this person maybe once a year. In the past I've noticed that she's all over the place with what her beliefs are. For example, if you would listen to the things she says and does you'd get the clear notion that she's a staunch feminist. She has a child that's disabled and one would think she'd be appalled by the way trump mocked a disabled person. She lives in a very diverse city. She's not wealthy by any means.

Although I knew she wasn't exactly highly educated, I had no idea who she voted for. She just seemed to need to tell me that very vocally, and I wasn't about to let her think I did too if I didn't respond about how dangerous he was. I will probably not see or hear from her again for another year, if that.

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
56. I had a discussion last week with a woman
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 11:22 AM
Jan 2017

Who said she didn't support Hilary because she didn't get a state law passed in NY that would have helped farmers. It took me 30 minutes to convince this woman that there was a difference between the state legislature and federal. She literally had no clue whatsoever that there was a difference.

llmart

(15,499 posts)
57. This is what we're up against...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 11:40 AM
Jan 2017

pure, unadulterated ignorance and they're not even embarrassed by their ignorance.

After I changed the subject, the person I was with said, "I can't wait to get home to watch the Apprentice". Ugh.

hunter

(38,264 posts)
60. They're PROUD of their ignorance.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:09 PM
Jan 2017

The U.S.A. has a sordid history of anti-intellectualism. Most of it originates in the anti-intellectual authoritarian religions. If you can believe that Noah could fit all the animals in his ark but for the dinosaurs and unicorns, and that the entire fossil record is the result of a single flood, then you can believe anything.

llmart

(15,499 posts)
61. Oh, I agree...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:14 PM
Jan 2017

However, I'm old enough to remember that in the late '60's when I was coming of age, a good number of people actually valued higher education, intellectualism, profound thinkers, good writers, etc. Or maybe that was just me and the people I hung around with. I also remember a time when, if someone didn't really follow politics or understand positions they would admit it and decline to vote because they felt they weren't qualified to make an informed decision. Hell, even I did that a couple of times in local issues/elections because I didn't feel I knew enough to make an informed decision.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,043 posts)
22. Yup
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:40 PM
Jan 2017

9/11 - 15 of the 19 terrorists were Saudi Arabian as well as Osama Bin Laden.

Orlando shooter - Afghani-American

San Bernadino shooters - Pakistani (wife) and Pakistani-American (husband)

Boston bombers - Kyrgyzstan

gordianot

(15,226 posts)
33. Once confiscation of Iraqi oil starts there will be no friends left in Iraq.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:25 PM
Jan 2017

That will be a shame given all the American lives sacrificed in Iraq. Saddam in his place in hell must be having a good laugh now that America has its own version of him and his two sons.

Takket

(21,421 posts)
47. I already saw an article saying Iraqi troops feel "betrayed" by what Trump has done
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 05:34 PM
Jan 2017

Won't be long before they turn on the Americans they have been working with. Our troops will suffer for this, and you know Trump is salivating for their blood, because an attack will only give him cause to tighten his grip even more.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
48. Amen
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 07:15 PM
Jan 2017

We need a critical mass of non foaming at the mouth republicans to put country above power.

Years ago Barry Goldwater and two other republican senators went to the WH and told Richard Nixon he should resign.

This is a situation much, much worse.

Pence is a religious nut and pretty conservative....but not the incompetent, immature loose cannon Drumpf is. Drumpf is beyond the pale and a disaster for our nation.

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