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kpete

(71,981 posts)
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:16 AM Jan 2017

Malevolence Tempered by Incompetence: Trumps Horrifying Executive Order on Refugees and Visas

The malevolence of President Trump’s Executive Order on visas and refugees is mitigated chiefly—and perhaps only—by the astonishing incompetence of its drafting and construction.

If the purpose of the order is the one it describes, for example, I can think of no good reason to burden the lives of students individually suspected of nothing who are here lawfully and just happen to be temporarily overseas, or to detain tourists and refugees who were mid-flight when the order came down. I have trouble imagining any reason to raise questions about whether green card holders who have lived here for years can leave the country and then return. Yes, it’s temporary, and that may lessen the costs (or it may not, depending on the outcome of the policy review the order mandates), but temporarily irrational is still irrational.

Put simply, I don’t believe that the stated purpose is the real purpose. This is the first policy the United States has adopted in the post-9/11 era about which I have ever said this. It’s a grave charge, I know, and I’m not making it lightly. But in the rational pursuit of security objectives, you don’t marginalize your expert security agencies and fail to vet your ideas through a normal interagency process. You don’t target the wrong people in nutty ways when you’re rationally pursuing real security objectives.

When do you do these things? You do these things when you’re elevating the symbolic politics of bashing Islam over any actual security interest. You do them when you’ve made a deliberate decision to burden human lives to make a public point. In other words, this is not a document that will cause hardship and misery because of regrettable incidental impacts on people injured in the pursuit of a public good. It will cause hardship and misery for tens or hundreds of thousands of people because that is precisely what it is intended to do.

https://lawfareblog.com/malevolence-tempered-incompetence-trumps-horrifying-executive-order-refugees-and-visas
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Malevolence Tempered by Incompetence: Trumps Horrifying Executive Order on Refugees and Visas (Original Post) kpete Jan 2017 OP
EXactly Rustyeye77 Jan 2017 #1
But, Trump says "it's working out very nicely". procon Jan 2017 #2
Great work here by Benjamin Wittes. The entire article is a must read. NT enough Jan 2017 #3
Thanks for this! Madam45for2923 Jan 2017 #4

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. But, Trump says "it's working out very nicely".
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:37 AM
Jan 2017

In the midst of the international crisis he caused, a Constitutional crisis, and a challenge to the court,
Trump seems quite satisfied with his Muslim Ban. "You see it at the airports. You see it all over. It's working out very nicely and we're going to have a very, very strict ban."

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