Steve Clemons on MSNBC now

[SticksnStones]

Senior white house staff told him last night this is a keystone cops operation going on in the white house now.


And that not vetting the EO was intentional.

Holy crap.

[malaise]

1. Isn't it obvious

They are fucking clueless but only Groper Don the Con can fix it

[SticksnStones]

3. But they're not even adept at being clueless

Like they're bumping into all the metaphorical furniture while they don't know how government works.

[CatWoman]

2. just saw that

they were FORBIDDEN to notify other agencies...........

[SticksnStones]

5. Ari Melber doing a great job getting all the details

And I echo his "wow"...it was intentional...

[chillfactor]

6. that he is..

Ari is really sniffing out details..he has been great today.

[Cha]

8. Begs the question "Why?"

Thank you for this, SnS

[AJT]

33. Shock doctrine?

You can get a lot of things enacted in the midst of confusion and fear.

[Amaryllis]

9. Wonder if they are deliberately creating chaos...hard to figure motives with so much craziness.

[SticksnStones]

10. Ari just brought up the point that

If not this story, we'd be talking about the bannon appointment to security council while removing the joint chiefs.

And it is being discussed, but not in a hair on fire way, like this EO is.


So, intentional chaos? Hard to give them that much credit. Maybe just lucky chaos.

[KT2000]

13. I believe intentional

Beyond the individuals being banned, this is a swipe at the 7 countries. In an instant he has lost their cooperation. He has also hit China and Mexico. He is intentionally disrupting standing foreign policy to keep everyone and I mean everyone off balance. This is what people with his mental condition do - destabilize then control - with weapons if need be.

[SticksnStones]

14. But to reiterate Cha's question...why?

What does he get in the end?

He certainly won't be remembered as a great or even good president.

He's devaluing his brand and endangering properties with his name on them.

He's destroying his children's legacy.

What's he possibly aiming for?

[KT2000]

39. It is for him and him only

his children are an extension of himself. There is no future except his future. If his kids, with his help, rack up the money and he has control that enables him to rake in even more money through a personal oil alliance with Russia, plus being head of the US - that makes him the ultimate winner.
He idolizes dictators, he has daddy issues, and he is mentally ill.

People with a lot of money believe they can buy their way out of anything. If, and that is a big if, he does have concern for his children, they will be able to buy their way out of problems too.

[Amaryllis]

24. I believe they are very cognizant of using Trump's antics as a distraction; maybe not T himself, but

certainly Bannon, etc. use that. THis is totally taking everyone's attention away from cabinet picks, etc. - other crucial things.

[Horse with no Name]

31. It's a twofer.

Both are odious but only one is causing horrific consequences to people in this moment.

[GliderGuider]

34. That has been my theory since this morning.

The EO is a smokescreen for the Bannon de-fanging the NSC. With Bannon, Flynn & Priebus on it, the only things it will address are the things they want to have addressed. Other things will slide by. this is what they would do if they were planning a large false-flag attack to cement Trump's dictatorial powers - a Reichstag fire, but x10.

The lack of vetting is intentional. They want to sow chaos throughout American society. It's one of the goals.

This is a Russian-directed operation to bring down the US government and throw your society into complete chaos. Putin is calling the plays; Bannon is executing them; Flynn is riding shotgun; Trump is the figurehead with the pen and the voice.

Expecting pride of country in any form from these guys is delusional. They will not stop of their own accord. No amount of political intervention or public pressure is going to work. Even the SC is a long shot IMO.

If you can't get them the country is done, over, kaput.

[SticksnStones]

35. I'm hard pressed to counter any of your points

I'm no conspiracy theorist but the dots do connect.

So now what? Only a core of genuinely patriotic republicans have the power to stop him

[okwmember]

40. They only think we aren't paying attention.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of the most observant signs at the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/laxprotest?src=hash">#laxprotest</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lax?src=hash">#lax</a> <a href="https://t.co/v6LaN2pwRi">pic.twitter.com/v6LaN2pwRi</a></p>— Tod E. Kurt (@todbot) <a href="

Link to tweet

">January 29, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[pkdu]

4. Its truly making it up as you go along...

and starting one fire to stop people talking about the previous one.

[SticksnStones]

7. I gotta think that it didn't occur to trump or bannon that the outrage would be this vocal

And constant and growing.

Remember, their thinking has always been liberals are lazy...yeah, no.

And we've got lots of poster board and sharpies!

[bdamomma]

37. They do not care for Liberalism

Why do think they are after California and New York.

read this:

http://katehon.com/article/president-trump-and-americas-post-liberal-future

[NastyRiffraff]

11. The leaks continue

I've never seen anything like this, this early in an administration.

[SticksnStones]

12. We need more! Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures!

[uponit7771]

16. I don't trust them just yet... they rarely say anything... mostly grade school rumors

... if the leaks were about something we would know something BIG before it gets out of the white house.

they'd already canary trap the leaker by now

[uponit7771]

15. Yeap... a distraction from stank ass'd Bannon as head of NS

[SticksnStones]

18. Yes, distractions...still, they poked the bears

Don't think they factored that in.

Kelly O'donnell MSNBC reporting on tonight's WH briefing...they're telling reporters they think it's all going very well. Slight delays in moving people through airports but all good.

Dillusional and secure in their bubble.

Perhaps there aren't any TV's on in the west wing these days.

[DeminPennswoods]

17. Kelly O'Donnell's report

Apparently the WH is in full damage control. They called in a few reporters and "read them in", meaning gave all the relevent details, on the EO. O'Donnell was funny because she repeatedly said "this is what they said" whenever Ari Melber asked her a question, implying that she didn't necessarily believe it, just reporting what they said. Of course it was all lies that they vetted it through the OLC and the departments and worked with congress, working exactly like they thought, not many people affected etc. It was pretty obvious O'Donnell knew the briefing was a total lie.

FWIW, the next time the WH claims some policy or EO was vetted through whoever, the reporters should ask to see the "chop copy". This is the original draft that has a page with all a place for all the relevent reviewers in the chain of command to sign off, from lowest ranking to highest.

[SticksnStones]

19. "chop copy"...

Learned something new today. Thx

[DeminPennswoods]

22. LOL, you're welcome

I wrote a few pieces of correspondence in my day that had to be approved by my entire chain-of-command. I got my fair share through without change, too. Once when I was a newly minted civil servant, my trainer wrote something called a "sitsum" (situation summary), but added an extra "h" to the title just to see if anyone would catch the change, but no one did and out the correspondence went with the more descriptive title. He got in a little trouble, but it was funny as heck.

[SticksnStones]

23. Civil Service with a smile

[KewlKat]

20. here's our new administration at work

[SticksnStones]

21. That's bannon fourth from the left, isn't it?

[Lucinda]

25. Create chaos and slip Bannon through to the National Security Council

except it didnt work and we did notice.

[SticksnStones]

28. Exactly! We're on to them

And their mastered bait and switch techniques aren't working on this awakened and enraged electorate.

We can protest and chew gum a the same time.

[Lucinda]

32. Yep. No one is buying the diversions anymore.

[C_U_L8R]

26. Heck, Trump couldn't even find Dory

[SticksnStones]

30. ..

[jodymarie aimee]

27. My friend a retired professor said today

she spoke with some scientists and they all agreed he would be shot in the next 4 months. I pray every nite...I don't dictate HOW, just please rid us of him.

[SticksnStones]

29. Shot at....at least

And should that happen he'd best hope the doctors weren't refugees ...

[TrekLuver]

36. I'll settle for a massive stroke. I feel bad because I know there are people that actually love him

and he's got that 10 year old. But let me just say then that I wouldn't mind if something happened to him. I don't want to directly wish (yet)...but I'm open to a medical "disaster".
Then we get Pence and I would imagine Bannon would be banished....RIGHT?

[Silent3]

41. All you have to do is cut that alien thing off the top of his head that's controlling him. n/t

[bdamomma]

38. I don't know if I poke these guys

who don't give a shit about political ideology and no experience.
Bannon has a dangerous agenda, he wants to see the demise of the country and has said it.