Many Republicans in Congress would much prefer Pence as

[MineralMan]

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President. That is true in both houses. Since he would become President if Trump were impeached and removed, that gives them an out.

They all know this. So, I would not be surprised if that possibility is being discussed privately behind closed doors. If Trump' s behavior causes the threat of a voter revolt, the Repeblicans will impeach and remove him, I think.

That's my assessment of the situation. Thanks for reading this.

[GP6971]

1. I think that's a very real scenario

and I would guess the democratic senators and reps are probably contributing to the discussion. We can fight Pence better than the unpredictable Trump. It won't be easy, but we won't be dealing with the uncontrollable crazy.

[starshine00]

2. I think so too

it is hard to say as lgbt but he at least would not be in bed with Russia. And he would do what they wanted. I think Trump is a disaster for the whole world. I don't think Pence would be a disaster across the board but certainly women, gays & minorities would be in deep,, but the world wouldn't be on the verge of exploding.

[WhiteTara]

3. He's just as evil as Trump, but

is a lot oilier.

[MineralMan]

5. Yes, but he's not insane and is not

in Putin's pocket. We're going to have to wait for another election to change the leadership. Trump needs to go, and soon, or that may be too late. Pence is bad, but he is not Trump.

[Freddie]

9. Pence is a horrible hateful person

But far less likely to start WWIII, so there's that.

[MineralMan]

12. He is, yes. But we can't elect a new president

Until 2020. Trump might do something way crazy before then.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

16. I agree... so that makes him a lesser evil, which is still an improvement n/t

[WhiteTara]

10. I agree. But he is evil and slimy

and he hates a large segment of the country as much as the OrangeAnus.

[MineralMan]

14. He is both, yes.

However, we will not have a chance to elect a Democrat until 2020. Trump needs to be gone long before then. That's imperative, I think. Pence, at least, is unlikely to start a major war or do something truly destructive.

I don't like the Pence option one bit, but I don't see another option at this time.

[Farmgirl1961]

19. I agree. Trump is deranged; mentally unstable and makes up sh*t as he goes

He definitely needs to go. Actually the entire election should be re-done, due to the interference by the Russians.

[uppityperson]

13. He's very scary, but more predictable. He'll need fighting also

[uponit7771]

15. +1, especially by now he hasn't quit... wasn't there a general who did quit a couple weeks ago?

[C_U_L8R]

4. Today, Trump

We'll deal with Pence tomorrow

[MineralMan]

7. Yup. Step one is dumping Trump.

[Farmgirl1961]

21. So -- how to make it happen? I think it needs to happen very soon.

But really all his minions need to go. If Bannon is still there, what's the difference?

[Amaryllis]

24. I think Pence would get rid of Bannon.

[LonePirate]

6. They fear reprisal from the Racist-in-Chief's insane supporters who comprise 90% of the Repub party.

If they thought they would not suffer any electoral consequences from impeaching and removing him, they would likely do it. The Repubs in Congress most definitely would rather work with Pence.

[MineralMan]

8. I thing you're overestimating

The number of Republicans who love Trump by a large factor, frankly.

[JI7]

11. if trump became unpopular with their base they would. but until then they are cowards

afraid if losing the bigot vote if they go against trump.

[First Speaker]

17. I'm tempted to say, "go fuck off...you created this monster, you deal with him..."

...and try to get the Dems to refuse any cooperation with impeachment. Let them go down with the ship. But of course, Trump has his finger on the Button. So maybe we should cooperate... Fuck it. We're all royally fucked no matter *what* happens. If nothing happens--well, God protect us all, because human beings sure as hell aren't up to the job. Impeach? God knows what happens *then*. Trump's die-hard supporters make up at least 30,000,000 people, and I suspect the GOP "establishment" is physically afraid for their lives if they move against Trump. (In fact, I more than suspect. A relative of mine is a player in DC Dem circles, and knows the leading people, Dem and GOP--and he tells me this is true, the McConnells and Ryans are quite literally afraid for their skins if they cross Trump.) We might see spontaneous beer-hall type uprisings all over Red America. And even if they succeed--Pence would be just as bad in many ways, and might cement GOP/far right control over the country for a generation. If Trump stays, and *doesn't* start a nuclear war--a big if--might it not be preferable if the GOP goes down with the ship, instead of presenting Pence as a "healing" figure? I honestly don't know the answer to that. But we are in a hole, and I see no good ways out...

[MineralMan]

18. Hobson's choice.

I agree. We're talking about least worse options really. I wish I could see a third option, but I can't. I want this country to survive, with its system intact. Others may differ on that desire.

[Blue Idaho]

20. I bet they will use Trump to do as much dirty work

As they can. When his position becomes untenable they will pull out their long knives and install pretty-boy Pence in office.

[MineralMan]

22. I have to log off for tonight.

I'll be back in the morning and respond to posts in this thread first thing. Please continue the discussion.

[Tom Rinaldo]

23. Yes, that dovetails with my view also. And they'll claim they saved us from him

Could happen within six months. They can play the Russia card against him any time they want to:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028559560