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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSums it up perfectly. TPM - "Just Hate" - Josh Marshall
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/just-hateBy JOSH MARSHALL Published JANUARY 29, 2017, 9:17 PM EDT
This is a delicate, unlovely point. But I believe it is an important one to make sense of the present moment. People do ugly things when they are scared - both individuals and great masses of people. After 9/11, the US dramatically clamped down on immigration - in some ways that were sensible, in other ways that were simply wrong. But the country had just seen thousands of its citizens slaughtered in a daring and catastrophic terrorist attack in the heart of one of its greatest cities. So much ugly and self-destructive grew out of that moment, much of which still provides the context of the world we live in and struggle with today. But for those of who were well into adulthood at the time, the sense of threat and danger in late September 2001 were palpable. People were scared and they were angry.
I have always thought something similar about the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II. This is one of the greatest stains on our nation's history. What is not always easy to remember though is that after Japan attacked the US in Hawaii, there was no reason to think there might not be a Japanese invasion of the western United States. We know in retrospect that the Japanese army and navy never got remotely close to the continental United States in force. That would have been fairly clear to someone with knowledge of the full military situation. But think how freaked out people get when a few crazies blow up pressure cookers. This was the prospect of an invasion and occupation by a hostile foreign power. That's frightening.
Here is where I want to be clear. This does not remotely justify what happened. There was no comparable internment of German- or Italian-Americans on the east coast, even though the German navy was much more active across the breadth of the Atlantic than the Japanese were in the Pacific. Japanese-Americans were interned because they were not accepted as fully American by their fellow countrymen despite their citizenship and in many cases longterm roots in the US. The difference was racism. That was the necessary precondition of internment.
My point is that the evil people do can only be understood in the context of the threat they face and the fear they experience. It's not exculpation but context. Had we been living in the western United States in 1942 can we be sure our fear and anger wouldn't have led us to justify the unjustifiable? This isn't relativism or justification. It's humility.
Which brings us to today.
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For all the talk about 'populism', what really imbues this White House is nationalism. But not just nationalism in a general sense which can have positive, communitarian aspects. It is a hateful and aggressive nationalism based on zero-sum relationships and a thirst for domination and violence. These are dangerous people.
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Sums it up perfectly. TPM - "Just Hate" - Josh Marshall (Original Post)
NRaleighLiberal
Jan 2017
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Yep. 11,507 out of over 12,000,000 vs. practically all persons of Japanese ancestry
dalton99a
Jan 2017
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dalton99a
(81,404 posts)1. Bannon hates brown people. Period.
underpants
(182,626 posts)2. There was internment of Germans in the US
Mister Ed
(5,924 posts)3. The linked article explains that they were few.
Very different from the wholesale internment of Japanese-Americans in the west.
dalton99a
(81,404 posts)4. Yep. 11,507 out of over 12,000,000 vs. practically all persons of Japanese ancestry