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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:52 AM Jan 2017

How Obama's order on Iraq differs from Comrade Casino's Immigration Ban

Last edited Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:59 AM - Edit history (1)

(1) Context - Obama signed his order after a triggering event (Iraqi refugees found making bombs to use against US military); until Trump makes others mad enough to retaliate (which might well be in the very near future), there's no similar triggering event;

(2) Process - Obama instituted additional screening for Iraqi visas, which slowed down their processing. Sure, it might've been a ploy to issue fewer of them, but it was not a ban on issuing the visas.

(3) Scope - Obama's order did not apply to anyone with a current visa or green card. While Trump has walked back the green card application supposedly, his ban still applies to current visa holders.

(4) International law - Obama's order did not send any refugees back to countries where they were at high-risk, because it did not apply to current visa holders. Trump's order does that, which is not permitted under the Geneva Convention.

(edited to add)

(5) Review - Obama's order was vetted through the proper channels before it was executed to ensure it was legal, coherent, and would not have unintended consequences

(I am blessed with the friendship of several lawyers, and this one is a professor, used to giving clear and concise information on the Law)

My take - it may be that Agent Orange is attempting to trigger an event. It is a logical consequence, knowing what we do about ISIS' dependence on western discrimination of Muslims.

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How Obama's order on Iraq differs from Comrade Casino's Immigration Ban (Original Post) ehrnst Jan 2017 OP
How Obama's order on Iraq differs from Comrade Casino's Immigration Ban Cha Jan 2017 #1
Needs to go viral. Send to Morning Joke! mfcorey1 Jan 2017 #2
You should add (5) Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #3
Thank you! Good last point! raging moderate Jan 2017 #4
Thank you! (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #7
How Obama's order on Iraq differs from Comrade Casino's Immigration Ban JustAnotherGen Jan 2017 #5
President Obama always relied on the Constitution for his executive orders. libtodeath Jan 2017 #6

Cha

(297,154 posts)
1. How Obama's order on Iraq differs from Comrade Casino's Immigration Ban
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:55 AM
Jan 2017

Thank you for this, ehrnst

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
3. You should add (5)
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:18 AM
Jan 2017

(5) Review - Obama's order was vetted through the proper channels before it was executed to ensure it was legal, coherent, and would not have unintended consequences

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
5. How Obama's order on Iraq differs from Comrade Casino's Immigration Ban
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 09:50 AM
Jan 2017

Thanks for this list! We need to arm ourselves with these bullet point.s
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