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Last edited Mon Jan 30, 2017, 10:59 AM - Edit history (1)
(1) Context - Obama signed his order after a triggering event (Iraqi refugees found making bombs to use against US military); until Trump makes others mad enough to retaliate (which might well be in the very near future), there's no similar triggering event;
(2) Process - Obama instituted additional screening for Iraqi visas, which slowed down their processing. Sure, it might've been a ploy to issue fewer of them, but it was not a ban on issuing the visas.
(3) Scope - Obama's order did not apply to anyone with a current visa or green card. While Trump has walked back the green card application supposedly, his ban still applies to current visa holders.
(4) International law - Obama's order did not send any refugees back to countries where they were at high-risk, because it did not apply to current visa holders. Trump's order does that, which is not permitted under the Geneva Convention.
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(5) Review - Obama's order was vetted through the proper channels before it was executed to ensure it was legal, coherent, and would not have unintended consequences
(I am blessed with the friendship of several lawyers, and this one is a professor, used to giving clear and concise information on the Law)
My take - it may be that Agent Orange is attempting to trigger an event. It is a logical consequence, knowing what we do about ISIS' dependence on western discrimination of Muslims.
Cha
(297,154 posts)Thank you for this, ehrnst
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)(5) Review - Obama's order was vetted through the proper channels before it was executed to ensure it was legal, coherent, and would not have unintended consequences
raging moderate
(4,297 posts)Good article overall.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)Thanks for this list! We need to arm ourselves with these bullet point.s
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Cheato cant even read.