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JHan

(10,173 posts)
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 02:49 PM Feb 2017

Folks want Hillary to say something about the OrangeClusterFuckofMadness in the WH. Well she did..

Last edited Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:14 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/25/hillary-clintons-alt-right-speech-annotated/?utm_term=.2d4a3ad0d95f

Remember?


I have to begin by saying my original plan for this visit was to focus on our agenda to help small businesses and entrepreneurs. This week we proposed new steps to cut red tape and taxes to make it easier for small businesses to get the credit they need to grow and hire.

I want to be a small business president. My father was a small business man. And I believe that in America, if you can dream it, you should be able to build it.

And so, we’ll be talking a lot more about small business and about our economic plans in the days and weeks ahead.

But today, here in this community college devoted to opening minds and creating great understanding of the world of which we live, I want to address something that I am hearing about from Americans all over our country.


Everywhere I go, people tell me how concerned they are by the divisive rhetoric coming from my opponent in this election.

And I understand that concern, because it’s like nothing we’ve heard before from a nominee for president of the United States from one of our two major parties.

From the start, Donald Trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia.

He is taking hate groups mainstream and helping a radical fringe take over the Republican Party.

His disregard for the values that make our country great is profoundly dangerous.

In just this past week, under the guise of “outreach” to African Americans, Trump has stood up in front of largely white audiences and described black communities in such insulting and ignorant terms:

“Poverty. Rejection. Horrible education. No housing. No homes. No ownership. Crime at levels nobody has seen." Right now," he said, "you walk down the street and get shot.”

Those are his words.

But when I hear them, I think to myself: How sad. Donald Trump misses so much.


He doesn’t see the success of black leaders in every field, the vibrancy of black-owned businesses, the strength of the black church.

He doesn’t see the excellence of historically black colleges and universities or the pride of black parents watching their children thrive. And he apparently didn't see Police Chief Brown on television after the murders of five of his officers conducting himself with such dignity. He certainly doesn’t have any solutions to take on the reality of systemic racism and create more equity and opportunity in communities of color and for every American.

It really does take a lot of nerve to ask people he’s ignored and mistreated for decades, “What do you have to lose?” Because the answer is: Everything.

Now, Trump’s lack of knowledge or experience or solutions would be bad enough.

But what he’s doing here is more sinister.

Trump is reinforcing harmful stereotypes and offering a dog whistle to his most hateful supporters.

It’s a disturbing preview of what kind of president he’d be.



And that's what I want to make clear today:

A man with a long history of racial discrimination, who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far, dark reaches of the internet, should never run our government or command our military.

Ask yourself, if he doesn’t respect all Americans, how can he serve all Americans?

Now, I know some people still want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

They hope that he will eventually reinvent himself – that there’s a kinder, gentler, more responsible Donald Trump waiting in the wings somewhere.

Because after all, it’s hard to believe anyone – let alone a nominee for president – could really believe all the things he says.

But the hard truth is, there’s no other Donald Trump. This is it.


Like she repeated this over and over and over and over.

She got criticized for this speech and there was backlash. She was too "harsh", she was "descending to his level" they said.

Chris Matthews got in on the action and while discussing the speech with ex GOP Chairman Michael Steele, lamented that it dragged politics to a level it shouldn't be and he and Michael agreed that Hillary was wrong. Trump's gaslighting had so infected political media, the pundits couldn't see the truth if it slapped them in the face.Maybe Chris should eat crow now, because this speech was prescient about the dangers of a Trump presidency.

Hillary warned us time and time again about Trump, and was criticized for being too negative and too "anti- trump" even when her speeches weren't all about Trump. In fact, most of her speeches were about her policy positions and plans but the media didn't have time to discuss such unimportant things.

It is important to be ANTI TRUMP because of what he represents. He is a throwback, a dying breed of American who looks back instead of forward. He is regressive and autocratic and wants to hold on to an old tired view of the world that is tribalistic, nationalistic and provincial - to do so he will allow religious theocracy to take hold, he will fuck the environment over and justify doing so because it's a god given right, and wealth=right in his mind. He'll allow backward right-libertarian ideologues to steer policy and crush socialism in favor of feudalism and he will starve green energy initiatives in favor of extractive industries. He will turn his back to the promise of 21st century civilisation: Liberalism - open markets, green energy, cosmopolitanism, diversity, secularism, a vast social safety net, democracy.

The true progressive position is to be AntiTrump and all he stands for, on that score Hillary was right.
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Folks want Hillary to say something about the OrangeClusterFuckofMadness in the WH. Well she did.. (Original Post) JHan Feb 2017 OP
I do remember, and fuck Jill Stein (excuse my language) LisaM Feb 2017 #1
FJS and FDT The Polack MSgt Feb 2017 #6
The media needs to apologize to HRC for holding her to a higher standard than him. Candide350 Feb 2017 #7
We saw an election leftynyc Feb 2017 #18
Close, Lefty ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #23
That too leftynyc Feb 2017 #44
+ a bajillion!!!!!! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2017 #101
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Feb 2017 #42
Just posted on Otero County Dems...my party fb page duhneece Feb 2017 #112
I wish I could claim credit leftynyc Feb 2017 #114
Wherever you 'got' it from...YOU remembered it duhneece Feb 2017 #115
I was so stunned after leftynyc Feb 2017 #118
I just love you so much right now... duhneece Feb 2017 #119
LOL - I'm blushing (n/t) leftynyc Feb 2017 #120
Welcome to DU, Candide350! calimary Feb 2017 #78
And not just Jill Stein and her cult of followers... NBachers Feb 2017 #15
Yep. calimary Feb 2017 #22
Yep bhusar Feb 2017 #51
Jeebus falcon cripes The Polack MSgt Feb 2017 #111
Thanks bhusar Feb 2017 #117
What you said.... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2017 #19
Post removed Post removed Feb 2017 #92
Just because some folks can't handle the truth doesn't mean we are gonna stop talking about it. nt JTFrog Feb 2017 #95
K&R. Thanks for posting. Arkansas Granny Feb 2017 #2
thank you for that very timely reminder. niyad Feb 2017 #3
but did she have emails ?!? / sarcasm uponit7771 Feb 2017 #4
She's right of course. panader0 Feb 2017 #5
But a whole lot of people thought they were "equally bad." (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #28
Will someone please jam this down the throat of Chris Matthews? n/t cynatnite Feb 2017 #8
And Mrs. Greenspan!! Va Lefty Feb 2017 #10
I wish she'd come out and say, "I fucking tried to warn you, but you wouldn't listen!" herding cats Feb 2017 #9
me too-- that would be great Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #21
Once he gets impeached... herding cats Feb 2017 #72
Indeed. The "yeah, but Hillary..." excuse for not supporting her last November was BULLSHIT. calimary Feb 2017 #24
That they did. herding cats Feb 2017 #73
One or two weeks before the election I was with a group of friends for board games and chat.... Hekate Feb 2017 #125
Great point. "Happy NOW?" calimary Feb 2017 #128
She could have a TV show with that title for the next four years! She was right about that (rats)! Akamai Feb 2017 #71
She could, but she's not about attention. herding cats Feb 2017 #74
I don't think she should rule out that idea. She might move trump on important issues. But you're Akamai Feb 2017 #116
People knew exactly what they were voting for when they voted for Trump. Rex Feb 2017 #11
++++++++ JHan Feb 2017 #12
I agree. Rex Feb 2017 #14
Plus a million hibbing Feb 2017 #39
He talked about internment camps, defaulting on the debt and using nukes MrPurple Feb 2017 #79
This is true. There were no illusions. WYSIWYG. VOX Feb 2017 #77
And despite all the Hillary bashing from all sides... maddiemom Feb 2017 #94
K&R mcar Feb 2017 #13
K&R DesertRat Feb 2017 #16
Great Piece in another forum about her not owing anyone an apology ehrnst Feb 2017 #17
YES! maddiemom Feb 2017 #33
Isn't this "rehashing the primaries?" n/m Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #38
No charlyvi Feb 2017 #54
No. ehrnst Feb 2017 #60
No, Ned, it is not Hekate Feb 2017 #85
Yes! mcar Feb 2017 #56
"Ungrateful wrecks" NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #65
AMEN this is said as forcefully as I put it and so much better Hekate Feb 2017 #84
Excellent piece. nt JTFrog Feb 2017 #99
Is there a dump Chris Matthews movement? SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #20
He's often annoying but to be fair, these days he finally gets it. JHan Feb 2017 #25
Yes! I agree Sleepless. MontanaMama Feb 2017 #45
Before we try that one, we FIRST need to get rid of Greta Van FoxNews. calimary Feb 2017 #70
I likely won't watch her. Can't watch Tweetie anymore. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #76
Fuck everyone who did not vote for this woman. TeamPooka Feb 2017 #26
K&R smirkymonkey Feb 2017 #27
Where are the Clintons now? Doodley Feb 2017 #29
As far as I'm concerned, maddiemom Feb 2017 #36
It isn't about them "owing us," but they have a significant following. Doodley Feb 2017 #40
I agree that we NEED the Clintons and have no doubt they'll continue to be there for us. maddiemom Feb 2017 #53
What you say is of paramount importance triron Feb 2017 #57
At some point, even the Clintons get Progressive dog Feb 2017 #93
Why should she say one thing on behalf of anyone?? MontanaMama Feb 2017 #48
She cared enough about the threat of Trump during the campaign. Doodley Feb 2017 #50
I am saying that she did more than most people are willing to do. MontanaMama Feb 2017 #58
What exactly are YOU doing, Doodley? It is now up to US. Hekate Feb 2017 #86
Unlike many who continue to trash her here today. nt JTFrog Feb 2017 #96
In what way? Specifically? And does that go for Jimmy Carter as well? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #100
And she still gets criticized for making this election too much about HIM pnwmom Feb 2017 #30
Yep, and it should always have been about HIM. JHan Feb 2017 #52
K&R gademocrat7 Feb 2017 #31
there is another speech AlexSFCA Feb 2017 #32
MSNBC and Hillary pamdb Feb 2017 #34
Yep, and not just them. All of political media lost their minds. JHan Feb 2017 #47
Yeah, I remember vividly and I am still... Guilded Lilly Feb 2017 #35
And since Hillary DID win the MAJORITY of America's vote rocktivity Feb 2017 #37
kick Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #41
This Hekate Feb 2017 #87
Great speech, thanks for the copy. But that was August. Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #43
That doesn't fly with me. We all got fair warning about Trump. JHan Feb 2017 #46
+ 1 charlyvi Feb 2017 #55
Bravo bhusar Feb 2017 #110
She's been rejected by the "progressive movement" The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #59
Bingo. nt JTFrog Feb 2017 #62
Not adhering to the manifesto is Thoughtcrime. ehrnst Feb 2017 #63
Thank you. nt trc Feb 2017 #81
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2017 #98
I still reject her, but recognize her past and potential future contributions Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #121
As I said, find your own role model. She doesn't owe you shit. The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #127
No, she rejected us... Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #123
Nice try at spin The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #126
Ooh, I've never had "ilk" before. Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #129
More elaborate tap dancing, with no substance The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #131
What part of "I love Obama" was indirect? Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #132
No you didn't, but I doubt you'll admit it. The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #133
Dang, I can't keep up. Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #134
I see you've given up trying to respond with facts and logical arguments The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #135
I refuse to argue with drunks and 45 supporters Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #136
And yet here you are The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #137
Ned, she had our backs her whole life. Did you ever have hers, even once? Hekate Feb 2017 #88
I had her back until she attacked Obama, back in '08 Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #122
Okay, got that. Your candidate must channel YOUR thoughts, which are stellar & of big things.... Hekate Feb 2017 #124
No need to be snarky. Obama rocks! Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #130
KNR Lucinda Feb 2017 #49
K&FuckingR! nt JTFrog Feb 2017 #61
To the media and everyone else who was more concerned about "emails": Jamaal510 Feb 2017 #64
I want ALL past elected Dems benld74 Feb 2017 #66
This is now on us. Get moving. Join Indivisible. DO something. Hekate Feb 2017 #89
Good to see this Edina Feb 2017 #67
Thanks Edina. I agree with you. Welcome here. Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #68
Welcome to DU, Edina!! Great first post!! I am glad that DU has emerged as a relatively pro-Hillary StevieM Feb 2017 #80
Males. n/t fleabiscuit Feb 2017 #82
Yeah, I never joined during the election because I thought this place was inherently anti-Hillary. butdiduvote Feb 2017 #91
Thanks do much for this OP and the reminder of HER words! Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #69
Mahalo for Hillary speaking out on trump BEFORE the Election. A true Progressive Indeed! Cha Feb 2017 #75
Well Chris didn't grasp how abnormal Trump was... JHan Feb 2017 #106
British PM, David Cameron rode off into the sunset after the Brexit vote. oasis Feb 2017 #83
KICK Cha Feb 2017 #90
This is the Hillary that I like. I would support this Hillary ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author athena Feb 2017 #108
Who is clamoring for Hillary to speak up? KPN Feb 2017 #102
Yes, I've seen some asking her to, not just on here... JHan Feb 2017 #104
What she has done is enough. Let Kaine and Bernie lead the charge hollowdweller Feb 2017 #103
Every Democratic politician has to lead in their district/state.. JHan Feb 2017 #105
Wouldn't surprise me if Trump moved to arrest her....if only as a distraction radhika Feb 2017 #107
No it's not too alarmist at all.. Trump is authoritarian, that scenario might be his wet dream. JHan Feb 2017 #109
She needs to go on a program and discuss her malaise Feb 2017 #113

LisaM

(27,762 posts)
1. I do remember, and fuck Jill Stein (excuse my language)
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 02:55 PM
Feb 2017

for running against Hillary and not against some modern-day reincarnation of Mussolini.

Candide350

(6 posts)
7. The media needs to apologize to HRC for holding her to a higher standard than him.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 03:04 PM
Feb 2017

It makes me very angry to see him or any of the posse whine about the media. They wouldn't be the occupants of the WH if the media had not crucified HRC. Emails seem rather silly today, don't they .

ProfessorGAC

(64,425 posts)
23. Close, Lefty
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 03:59 PM
Feb 2017

She was not only forgiven nothing, she was pilloried for stuff that wasn't even wrong. (From both sides.) The standard to which she was held was impossibly high.

duhneece

(4,105 posts)
112. Just posted on Otero County Dems...my party fb page
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:21 PM
Feb 2017

County NM Dems is 'my' party facebook page and I had to post your and the following post and this link....it is too perfect a recap not to share. Thank you.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
114. I wish I could claim credit
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:56 PM
Feb 2017

but I remember reading that on twitter the day after the election. I honestly don't remember where as that day I was still in quite the fog.

duhneece

(4,105 posts)
115. Wherever you 'got' it from...YOU remembered it
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:09 PM
Feb 2017

And for that, I am grateful to you...in fact, I am reminded of all the reasons I love DU so much so often these days. It almost feels like I was taking DU for granted before that. I now cling to DU often as if it was (were?) a lifeboat and I'm in an old inner tube. Nah, that doesn't describe it well!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
118. I was so stunned after
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 05:50 AM
Feb 2017

the election, and so angry at my country I'm pretty sure I just monitored by Twitter feed. I couldn't watch tv at all. DU was down and holy cow Joni Mitchell was right, you don't realize how much you miss being among like minded people, where you can howl at the moon and everyone understands until it's not there anymore. But that particular tweet has really stuck with me.

duhneece

(4,105 posts)
119. I just love you so much right now...
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 08:05 AM
Feb 2017

How about becoming 'leftyAlamogordonm'? Come live with me and be my Love?

calimary

(80,700 posts)
78. Welcome to DU, Candide350!
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:52 PM
Feb 2017

The double standard was fucking INFURIATING!!! I found myself tweeting to the Andrea Mitchells of the world repeatedly exhorting them to fixate on some of the potential criminality that they were allowing trump to get away with so they could obsess on Hillary's emails. I remember tweeting one that demanded a closer - hell, ANY investigation of the Russian connection, and added - "don't know how? Pretend it's Hillary!"

bhusar

(131 posts)
51. Yep
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 05:43 PM
Feb 2017

Especially Susan Sarandon and Oliver Stone, who just wrote a piece on his FB page, not criticizing Trump for the Muslim ban, or anything like that, but attacking our media for wanting to lead us to war with Russia because they want to prove Trump is in Putin's back pocket. And he voted for Stein.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1404848452872783&id=386829811341324

The Polack MSgt

(13,159 posts)
111. Jeebus falcon cripes
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:19 PM
Feb 2017

Thanks for the link, I will check it out.

O.S. is as out of touch as only a "liberal" multimillionaire can be... Seriously - fuck these people.

Oh, and welcome to the Sturm und Drang of DU, bhusar

Response to LisaM (Reply #1)

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
95. Just because some folks can't handle the truth doesn't mean we are gonna stop talking about it. nt
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:05 AM
Feb 2017

herding cats

(19,549 posts)
9. I wish she'd come out and say, "I fucking tried to warn you, but you wouldn't listen!"
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 03:10 PM
Feb 2017

Yeah, I know she'd never do that, but it would be great if she did.

herding cats

(19,549 posts)
72. Once he gets impeached...
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:07 PM
Feb 2017

I admire your glass half full personality! Seriously, I need to channel that myself.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
24. Indeed. The "yeah, but Hillary..." excuse for not supporting her last November was BULLSHIT.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:00 PM
Feb 2017

All those "we wanna SEND a MESSAGE" folks sure sent a message alright. Wonder if they're happy NOW?

herding cats

(19,549 posts)
73. That they did.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:13 PM
Feb 2017

I know some who are still saying "this will teach the people!" Um, yeah, you're people, too, idiots! We're going to be clawing our ways back to where we were a year ago for years, and years to come. I cannot begin to express how angry it makes me. Regressive, freaking fools.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
125. One or two weeks before the election I was with a group of friends for board games and chat....
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 05:45 PM
Feb 2017

Not politics. We try to keep it light, doing a quick survey of the room before giving a harsh opinion, such as of Trump. None of us liked Trump.

But we had someone (SK) there who hadn't been by in years and years, then showed up again during the summer and fall. She prides herself on her mighty intellect, but lacks social grace.

I'm not telling this well at all. The fact is, I was blindsided.

After SK giving all the reasons she did not like Hillary and how Hillary was not to be trusted, and the emails, and Comey... And after hearing me and others rebut this, and say our piece about Trump -- here is what SK said to me personally: "I'll just have to wait and see what else comes out this week." And she gave me a smile so smug it galls me to this day.

Every month when Games Night rolls around, I wonder if SK will will show up, because I want to ask her one thing: "Happy now? Happy with the results?"

SK has not been back, which is just as well, but eventually our paths will cross again, and I will ask her that -- then turn my back and walk away.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
128. Great point. "Happy NOW?"
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 10:35 AM
Feb 2017

And seems to me that's a key strategy! "Happy NOW?"

Just a wee bit of a reality check. Seems to me if we gently confront people - GENTLY - and guide them toward thinking. Thinking back to WHY they voted this way. WHAT did they want? Do they REALLY think they're getting what they want, now? Now that they voted for him and he's in there, is this all working out the neat and cool and bigly way they expected? Are they REEEEEEEAAAAALLLY happy with the whole "Captain Chaos" thing?

It might be a gentle way to invite some of these folks to start waking up. Nudge them awake. I bet there are more than a few with second thoughts. Starting to have second thoughts. Starting to wake up and realize - "uh, gee, uh - this isn't working out the way I thought..." or, even better: "uh, gee, uh - HE isn't working out the way I thought."

There are still plenty of 'em out there who are still, somehow, liking what they see. But I suspect that won't last long for many of them. INEVITABLY something will click. INEVITABLY, something will hit them that affects them directly. Just imagine it: if we can gently nudge them toward that way of thinking, from the figurative clown-car airplane they're on (that's looking like it's on the way down - the HARD way), and make sure they see the parachute nearby, then they might be that much more likely to reach for that parachute and bail out of the plane.

On edit - I just got a heart! Whoever sent it to me, THANK YOU! <3

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
71. She could have a TV show with that title for the next four years! She was right about that (rats)!
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:58 PM
Feb 2017

herding cats

(19,549 posts)
74. She could, but she's not about attention.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:16 PM
Feb 2017

Her book is enough, for now. I just wish her peace after how she was dragged through the mud by people who should have known better.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
116. I don't think she should rule out that idea. She might move trump on important issues. But you're
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:19 PM
Feb 2017

right -- as Thom Hartmann says, she will remain focused on children and family issues! Good for her!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. People knew exactly what they were voting for when they voted for Trump.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 03:21 PM
Feb 2017

He showed his hand every time he opened his huge piehole.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. I agree.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 03:26 PM
Feb 2017

Trump did not hide who he was, just the opposite, he celebrates his myopic-man-pig view of the world!

hibbing

(10,076 posts)
39. Plus a million
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:50 PM
Feb 2017

Muslim ban, wall, everything else. He was quite clear. Shows you how little progress we as a country have made, regardless of the popular vote.


Peace

MrPurple

(985 posts)
79. He talked about internment camps, defaulting on the debt and using nukes
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:55 PM
Feb 2017

When he leaves office, anything that isn't fvcked up is going to be gravy.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
77. This is true. There were no illusions. WYSIWYG.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:52 PM
Feb 2017

And so, we wound up with the horrible, hateful, ignorant, destructive miserable piece-of-shit prez, who's already deep in the running for "worst ever."

It was all there, in plain sight. Oh, but the emails! The emails!

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
94. And despite all the Hillary bashing from all sides...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:01 AM
Feb 2017

If it weren't for the electoral college...Nearly three million more still voted for her.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
17. Great Piece in another forum about her not owing anyone an apology
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 03:44 PM
Feb 2017

Dear People Demanding to Know Why Hillary Clinton Isn't Doing Whatever It Is You Think She Needs to


She did do something, you ungrateful wrecks. She campaigned for 18 months, the last of them against Trump himself, day after exhausting day, keeping up a ruthless schedule that would drive most people half her age to collapse after three weeks, no less a year and a half. She gave up time with her family, her grandchildren; gave up anything resembling free time; gave up her privacy. She made countless sacrifices on behalf of this country in order to prevent this exact outcome.

You took a hard pass, and now you have the unmitigated temerity to want more from her? Fuck you.

I note with all the mirthless laughter in the universe that one of the incessant criticisms of Hillary Clinton was that she was entitled.

She gave it everything she had already. You don't get to ask for even more.

And what, pray tell, do you expect her to do, anyway? Crash the confirmation hearings? She's not a sitting Senator anymore. That's not the way it works. Show up at a protest, dragging the Secret Service with her, constantly on the lookout for people who sent her death threats; chanted that she should be locked up or killed? That's not the way it works, either.

Even if you could name some meaningful action that you'd like her to be taking in this moment, this darkest of moments in our nation's history, she doesn't owe it to you.



http://www.shakesville.com/2017/01/i-write-letters.html

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
65. "Ungrateful wrecks"
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 08:16 PM
Feb 2017

Yes, yes, YES! I am furious at the people who call themselves "progressives" for what they did, the lies they told, the self-righteous, smug comments about how Hillary was a "flawed candidate" that they couldn't, just couldn't bring themselves to vote for. Their just couldn't go against their so-called principles.

To the Ungrateful Wrecks: YOU OWN THIS, ASSHOLES! The horror we're in right now is on you. Don't say there were other factors, of course there were, so stop trying to change the subject. YOU OWN THIS and I will never forgive you.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
84. AMEN this is said as forcefully as I put it and so much better
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 02:34 AM
Feb 2017

Hillary gave it all for US, and "owes" us not a damn thing more. Goddess bless her forever.

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
20. Is there a dump Chris Matthews movement?
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 03:52 PM
Feb 2017

There needs to be one with very specific reasons why. False equivalency. Panders too much. Too inside politics. Two faced. Annoying. Etc.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
25. He's often annoying but to be fair, these days he finally gets it.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:02 PM
Feb 2017

He should look back at his reaction to this speech and ponder how he got it so wrong.

MontanaMama

(23,242 posts)
45. Yes! I agree Sleepless.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 05:03 PM
Feb 2017

He's ridiculous and annoying on every level. He jokes and compulsively yells through his entire program.
A: There's nothing funny about any of this.
B: Yelling whatever comes to his mind is infantile and rude.

Can't watch him.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
70. Before we try that one, we FIRST need to get rid of Greta Van FoxNews.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:16 PM
Feb 2017

She. Does. NOT. Belong. On. That. Network.

Already, at 3pm Pacific time, when her Pox Noise-transplant show starts, both my husband and I grab for the remote to see who can change the channel away from MSNBC first. He finds her rather revolting, in several ways, with absolutely no prompting from me.

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
76. I likely won't watch her. Can't watch Tweetie anymore.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:48 PM
Feb 2017

It just hurts my brain too much. Same with trump. Mute all three of them. Better yet, force the three of them to spend eternity listening to Kellyann Conjob.

Doodley

(8,976 posts)
29. Where are the Clintons now?
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:22 PM
Feb 2017

She told us that Trump is unfit to have his finger on the nuclear button. She said he doesn't have the temperament to be president. Well, now he has his finger on the button and both Clintons need to still be fighting for our survival.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
36. As far as I'm concerned,
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:38 PM
Feb 2017

the Clintons owe us NOTHING more The electoral college, supposedly meant to prevent catastrophic presidents such as Trump, on the other hand...

Doodley

(8,976 posts)
40. It isn't about them "owing us," but they have a significant following.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:50 PM
Feb 2017

I believe we are in great danger, not just as a nation, but globally. Do you share that view? This isn't a time for saying I told you so, or for blaming the electoral college or the voters. When a ship hits an iceberg, you don't waste time saying I said there was an iceberg, It should be all hands on deck, and we need the Clintons and the most powerful Democrats at this time. We need their help more than at any other time.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
53. I agree that we NEED the Clintons and have no doubt they'll continue to be there for us.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 06:16 PM
Feb 2017

I don't believe that they OWE us still more. There are a lot of other progressives in prominent positions (and I don't necessarily mean the overly-idealistic celebrity types) who need to be stepping up and continuing to do so. Yes, the world IS in great danger with Trump, Bannon and Co

triron

(21,916 posts)
57. What you say is of paramount importance
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 07:22 PM
Feb 2017

and I implore Hillary to make her voice heard one way or another now.

MontanaMama

(23,242 posts)
48. Why should she say one thing on behalf of anyone??
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 05:09 PM
Feb 2017

She was shamed, diminished and belittled beyond anything any of us could bear. What makes you think that would change now? Nobody from the media gave her an inch and they wouldn't now either.

She owes us nothing. I wish her peace. She's done more than her share.

Doodley

(8,976 posts)
50. She cared enough about the threat of Trump during the campaign.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 05:36 PM
Feb 2017

Are you saying that was just lip service and now she should feel no obligation to do anything?

MontanaMama

(23,242 posts)
58. I am saying that she did more than most people are willing to do.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 07:41 PM
Feb 2017

AND she got hosed by "liberals", the media, fellow politicians, drumpf humpers and everyone in between. She laid it all on the line and got ignored at best and ridiculed at worst every single day. No, it was not just lip service when she warned us all of the threat that we are now facing. If she said anything publicly at this point, it would be met with "lock her up" and "what about those emails, Hillary?"

What else is she supposed to do to appease you? How do you know she isn't doing anything behind the scenes right now? She has nothing to prove to you, me or anyone else. You make it sound like she has more of an "obligation" to do more than the rest of us. I think it is wrong to be critical when we don't know what she's doing as a private citizen. My guess is she's doing more than a lot of folks.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
86. What exactly are YOU doing, Doodley? It is now up to US.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 02:46 AM
Feb 2017

What bullshit to say what you said: "Are you saying that was just lip service and now she should feel no obligation to do anything?"

Go back and read this thread. Hillary gave us everything she had. The media squeezed her dry. The Far Left and the Far Right squeezed her dry. Trump got a billion dollars worth of free air time. What the hell do you want?

Whatever happens now is UP TO US. Go call your Senators and your Representative. Join Indivisible. DO SOMETHING, and stop waiting for someone else to do it for you.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
30. And she still gets criticized for making this election too much about HIM
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:23 PM
Feb 2017

even though the media rarely covered her policy speeches (she WAS making them) and her website was full of hundreds of pages of detailed plans.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
52. Yep, and it should always have been about HIM.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 06:06 PM
Feb 2017

Not making it about HIM and what he represents - TRUMPISM - is a mistake. He is that much of an existential threat.

I think it will dawn on many that who you vote for President does matter.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
32. there is another speech
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:27 PM
Feb 2017

She had another speech after bannon joined trump. She talked about the alt right back in august, 2016. I don't beleive anyone else talked about it. The media has completely ignored bannon and the colossal rise of neo-nazi alt right movement in the US. He took the alt right movement mainstream and now follows through their policies.

Remember, Glenn Beck said that Dugin is much worse than Hitler. Dugin's philosophy is the foundation of alt-right - read about Spencer, one of their leaders. Miller has connection to Spenser and now Miller is in WH.

pamdb

(1,331 posts)
34. MSNBC and Hillary
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:37 PM
Feb 2017

I don't want you to think the only thing I took out of this post was the part about Tweety, but that is exactly why I haven't watched MSNBC (except for a few hours on the women's march) since the night of the red hats. Chris Matthews was disgusting, he would play all of Mein Trumpfs while disregarding other candidates, both republican and democratic, and the way he fawned all over KellyAnne, I thought he was going to jump her on stage. Between Tweety and Mrs. Greenspan and Chuckles the Clown, I hop them partially responsible for the pussy grabber. Along with the stupidity of the american voter.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
35. Yeah, I remember vividly and I am still...
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:38 PM
Feb 2017

Punching-face f'ing mad at those who voted third party, didn't vote or bitched about her not saying or doing enough.

rocktivity

(44,555 posts)
37. And since Hillary DID win the MAJORITY of America's vote
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:39 PM
Feb 2017

I hope she'll be continuing to speak up for years to come.


rocktivity

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
41. kick
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:50 PM
Feb 2017

Because I'm seeing way too much "BUT WHY IZNT HILLARY SAYING SOMETHINGS?!!?!1" online... I guess that trolling talking point came down through official channels...

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
43. Great speech, thanks for the copy. But that was August.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 04:56 PM
Feb 2017

Almost six months ago, and since then? Leaders keep trying, even if their speeches are not well received. Or is this more of the "incremental approach?"

As a recognized leader, one who has done so much for women's rights and other issues, as our former Secretary of State and candidate for POTUS, I would hope she remains active in the progressive movement. I would hope she would use her position to continue to push for justice in this world. She should be in the news every day. This is not a mainstream media conspiracy to silence her; she has chosen to remain silent.

How about her speech on the Dakota Access pipeline? (crickets)
I do remember her comments on Keystone: "I'll tell you what I think after I'm elected president."

So yes, I am bummed by her silence. She IS a role model. Time to act like one.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
46. That doesn't fly with me. We all got fair warning about Trump.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 05:03 PM
Feb 2017

Frankly, if she wants to live on a pretty island somewhere for the rest of days, she deserves it...

It's not up to her to be in the news everyday, it's up to us collectively to get our shit together and our priorities straight. For caring enough about policy and being aware of dangers to our democracy. That's on us. Not her.

I don't need a politician to draw me a roadmap.

And really, she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't at this point.

 

The Sand Reckoner

(194 posts)
59. She's been rejected by the "progressive movement"
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 07:53 PM
Feb 2017

for not being ideologically pure enough. And for being a corrupt, unlikable liar, in bed with big corporations. And NOW suddenly she's a "role model" and supposed to dive back in and play your game? If you had voted for her, then you'd have a right to expect action from her. You and millions of others figured you could just blow that off and then disavow the consequences, and we've seen the result.

Find your own role model. Are you holding the same expectations for the person you DID vote for in the GE?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
63. Not adhering to the manifesto is Thoughtcrime.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 08:01 PM
Feb 2017

So I've noticed. The purity stamp is administered by only one, who deems who is pure, and who is a "shill."

That worked so well for Nader, didn't it?

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
121. I still reject her, but recognize her past and potential future contributions
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 04:51 PM
Feb 2017

She can help, but isn't. And yes, I guess I do have high expectations for the President of the United States!

 

The Sand Reckoner

(194 posts)
127. As I said, find your own role model. She doesn't owe you shit.
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 06:04 PM
Feb 2017

Who did you vote for, Ned? And have you been urging them to speak out against the president you wanted?

Show us.

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
123. No, she rejected us...
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 04:57 PM
Feb 2017

...about the time she pleaded guilty to being a moderate. I have many more reasons, but it is clear I will be sanctioned for rehashing old crap. Nevermind that bit about those who forget the past....

But despite my personal rejection of her, I know she can still be a cause for good. But that means speaking up, staying involved. Take a vacation, but come back!

Sparkle on, Good Neighbor!

 

The Sand Reckoner

(194 posts)
126. Nice try at spin
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 05:57 PM
Feb 2017

But you and your ilk were never prevented from voting for her.

Please do let us know, though, just how much better she would have have to be for you to prefer her over what we have now, (since you knew very well what a Trump presidency would be like). Because if you didn't want her to win, then you wanted Trump, because he was the only other candidate with a chance.

Thank you and all of your kind for that, btw. Hope your "conscience" is sustaining you.

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
129. Ooh, I've never had "ilk" before.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:06 PM
Feb 2017

Nor have I ever been accused of being a team player, ha.

And that either/or talk? "Only the Sith speak in absolutes."

I guess I'm at the point where I don't believe incremental change, as practiced currently, is going to save us. I had hoped that the Bush years would convince conservatives of the evil of their ways, but it is clear they cannot change. Forest fires do improve the health of a forest.

 

The Sand Reckoner

(194 posts)
131. More elaborate tap dancing, with no substance
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 08:21 PM
Feb 2017

And yes, either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton was going to be president. No one with a genuine connection to reality could possibly have believed otherwise. But I guess that encompasses a lot of voters in the past election.

If you wanted reality-based possibilities for president that were not a Democrat or Republican, the arrangements for that would have required a lot of hard work on party building, starting decades ago, not the usual last-minute electoral fantasies of the uber-left. If you weren't willing to put in that kind of work, tough shit. You have no right to complain. If you actually did, but it fell short, good for you, but it still doesn't change the reality on election day, or the delusional nature of other expectations.

And your unwillingness to answer simple and direct questions is duly noted. That's always my first clue to an intellectually bankrupt argument. But throwing the country against the wall and breaking it into pieces, then crossing your fingers that those pieces will magically re-assemble themselves into something better, is not even a semblance of a political or social plan. Maybe the next four years will finally convince people afflicted wth chronic Naderitis of that fact.

Let's start with who you voted for. I voted for Clinton, and I will say that unashamedly. Can you say the same about your choice?

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
132. What part of "I love Obama" was indirect?
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 04:17 AM
Feb 2017

Are you having lulz with me? I thought I did answer your questions directly, but then again, cognitive dissonance isn't only a Conservative trait, I reckon.

Regardless of labels, I'm supporting the long-term progressive candidate. I'm sorry you're offended that my candidate was critical of yours, but primaries are supposed to be about debates (lol, tons of them!) and open analysis of candidates. Good and bad.

I think the final primary results proved I am not delusional regarding Bernie's chances. Especially considering the crap that was slung at him by the good guys.

I voted Bernie in the primary, and HRC in the general.

I really would like to discuss this in more detail, but am afraid I will be kicked for rehashing the primaries. (I really don't get that rule.)

Now, I answered your questions, how about answering mine. Do you think a great leader remains silent in times of crisis? Do you disagree that our nation is in crisis? Do you really think "she deserves a vacation" is an adequate excuse?

Don't you think that someone with her influence and ability to rouse the masses to good deeds should be out there now, when we need her?! Let's see Congress try and silence and censure her!

 

The Sand Reckoner

(194 posts)
133. No you didn't, but I doubt you'll admit it.
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 08:31 PM
Feb 2017

And yes, thinking that Bernie Sanders still had a chance in the GE on election day was delusional, and that's what we're talking about, as I clearly indicated. But for your information, I supported Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the GE, despite your arrogant presumptions about "your candidate" and "my candidate". As far as "crap", Sanders did not put up with a tenth of what Clinton did this election cycle.

As far as your questions, is this little bit of sophistry supposed to compel some damaging concession from me? Yes, speaking up in times of crisis is one of the things you might expect from a "great leader". But you know what? A great leader also recognizes a coming crisis BEFORE it actually happens, and speaks up to try to prevent it. Which is exactly what Hillary Clinton did.

As far as her reasons for not adding her voice at this very moment: Maybe she doesn't feel like being accused of being an attention whore. Maybe she realizes that she is still such a lightning rod for hostility, still such a polarizing personality even within her own party, that injecting herself back into the politics of the day would just divide Democrats (considering that there are many Democrats who would rather cut their noses off than appear to agree with or support her in any way) and give the Republicans a convenient stalking horse to divert their base and the media from the real issues, as they have done so often before. Maybe she feels like it was time to let other people in the Democratic Party carry the torch for a while, after having done it all of her adult life. Maybe she's tired of being attacked from all sides, every day of her life, for the last two decades or more. Maybe she's just fucking tired, period. Maybe she realizes that this "crisis" is going to be here for the long term, and that she won't be much use over that long term if she's burned out (as does actually happen to real human beings, and as those with empathy can grasp). Maybe she doesn't presume that this fight can't possibly be carried out effectively for even a few weeks without her.

Apparently you don't think that any of those reasons could justify her taking even a month of time to herself, but I have no problem with any of it. If she never spoke up in public again about the causes she cares about, then disappointment in her might be justified, but Trump has only been president for three weeks.

And you know, maybe she's enjoying an "I fucking told you all so" moment. An entirely human reaction, to which she is, frankly, richly entitled.

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
134. Dang, I can't keep up.
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 02:22 AM
Feb 2017

But one thing I have learned from this election cycle, finally, is that you really can't debate with delusional people.

Keep drinking those electrolytes!

 

The Sand Reckoner

(194 posts)
135. I see you've given up trying to respond with facts and logical arguments
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 10:16 AM
Feb 2017

and are now reduced to insults and disparagement, for which you offer no evidence whatsoever.

Enjoy your stay.

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
136. I refuse to argue with drunks and 45 supporters
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 02:22 PM
Feb 2017

WTF? How many insults did you sling my way? Is this like the Kid Rock song, "It's all good and fun until I start to poke back?"

But seems like I'm not the only one saying HRC and the Democrats need to speak up about what counts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/02/13/daily-202-dnc-chair-candidates-say-clinton-lost-because-she-talked-too-much-about-trump/58a1023ee9b69b1406c75cac/?utm_term=.2ed70ee7b1f1

 

The Sand Reckoner

(194 posts)
137. And yet here you are
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 04:46 PM
Feb 2017

still trying to cobble together an argument.

Instead of cutting and pasting what other people think (with no evidence that they're any less wrong than you are), why not try responding to the points I raised with stuff from your own brain?

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
122. I had her back until she attacked Obama, back in '08
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 04:53 PM
Feb 2017

And her record since then has not been stellar. I expect big things from my POTUS.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
124. Okay, got that. Your candidate must channel YOUR thoughts, which are stellar & of big things....
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 04:58 PM
Feb 2017

By the way, how was your day to day impression of the Obama presidency? Did you give up on him for life the first time he deviated from your stellar thoughts?

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
130. No need to be snarky. Obama rocks!
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 04:31 PM
Feb 2017

Let's say this first: I think Obama is one of the greatest Presidents in our nation's history. Ok? I love the guy.

But I was torn, and still am, on the Obama presidency. It was clear to me, some schmoe with a keyboard, that the Republicans would never compromise, and would attack him nonstop, fabricating scandals, etc., instead of working with him in the style of earlier years. Remember when the parties fought each other, but ultimately compromised and came together as necessary to keep the government running?

Obama kept trying to work with them, even when they kicked him in the teeth. In a way that was good, because I think his term has effectively proved that the Republicans don't believe in working together with other parties. He showed real class, and kept to the high road.

On the other hand, giving in to them seemed to only empower them. Why weren't Obama and other Dems calling out Conservative lies long ago? Why is a phrase like "fake news" only now being used? Of course if Obama had started throwing out Executive Orders, it could have created a total gov't shutdown as the Repubs fought back, so where's Captain Hindsight when I need him? But still, almost three years to repeal DADT?

I hope he has also shown that incremental change doesn't work. Fighting so hard for minor changes which can be easily reversed by the next administration is not an effective strategy. I dislike the word, "revolution," but certainly we need big, dramatic changes.

Then there's his record on protecting whistle blowers. At complete odds with his campaign promises. I do remember cheering when he called whistle blowers "...the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government," as well as "such acts of courage and patriotism. . . should be encouraged rather than stifled." Kudos for pardoning Manning.

And why didn't he pardon Siegelman? Have I been misled on his story? Please set me straight if so.

But enough of that. I hope Obama has proven that the Republicans won't compromise. He did a great job under obstructionist conditions (probably saved our nation from financial meltdown). I hope he enjoys retirement, then comes back and speaks up. And not to say, "impeachment is off the table."

benld74

(9,889 posts)
66. I want ALL past elected Dems
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 08:46 PM
Feb 2017

No longer serving to come OUT and show yourselves! Be heard. Make noise.
Stop being nice.
Speak out
Go low, the hell with high, until they worry

Edina

(22 posts)
67. Good to see this
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 08:51 PM
Feb 2017

Good to see this post but I feel it is a bit late. I primarily post on another liberal site but I felt I had to say something to this post. During the primary and the early GE this very website was toxic and highly anti-Hillary Clinton which is essentially anti-Democratic Party. I know you had a special section for Hillary supporters but the bile I read generally on this site against Hillary Clinton was a Left version of Red State. I just stopped coming to your site until lately. Now that Hillary has been vanquished by both the Right and the Left and our country is being run by a bunch of vipers I thought I might get some good insights and decided to re-visit your site. So, while I applaud your sentiment I do not see it reflected on most Progressive websites where there are still many folks who are content to blame Trump on "Hillary the terrible candidate". I am disappointed in Liberals once again being manipulated by the Right and eating their own. Liberals who voted for Stein and the Bernie or Busters were played by the Right and it paid off very well for them.

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
80. Welcome to DU, Edina!! Great first post!! I am glad that DU has emerged as a relatively pro-Hillary
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:58 PM
Feb 2017

site. She deserves so much better than how she has been treated.

I'll never understand how Hillary Clinton came to be seen as a Joe Lieberman Democrat.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
69. Thanks do much for this OP and the reminder of HER words!
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:01 PM
Feb 2017

She always knew what she was talking about.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
75. Mahalo for Hillary speaking out on trump BEFORE the Election. A true Progressive Indeed!
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:44 PM
Feb 2017

I have to begin by saying my original plan for this visit was to focus on our agenda to help small businesses and entrepreneurs. This week we proposed new steps to cut red tape and taxes to make it easier for small businesses to get the credit they need to grow and hire.

I want to be a small business president. My father was a small business man. And I believe that in America, if you can dream it, you should be able to build it.

And so, we’ll be talking a lot more about small business and about our economic plans in the days and weeks ahead.

But today, here in this community college devoted to opening minds and creating great understanding of the world of which we live, I want to address something that I am hearing about from Americans all over our country.


Everywhere I go, people tell me how concerned they are by the divisive rhetoric coming from my opponent in this election.

And I understand that concern, because it’s like nothing we’ve heard before from a nominee for president of the United States from one of our two major parties.

From the start, Donald Trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia.

He is taking hate groups mainstream and helping a radical fringe take over the Republican Party.

His disregard for the values that make our country great is profoundly dangerous.

In just this past week, under the guise of “outreach” to African Americans, Trump has stood up in front of largely white audiences and described black communities in such insulting and ignorant terms:

“Poverty. Rejection. Horrible education. No housing. No homes. No ownership. Crime at levels nobody has seen." Right now," he said, "you walk down the street and get shot.”

Those are his words.

But when I hear them, I think to myself: How sad. Donald Trump misses so much.

He doesn’t see the success of black leaders in every field, the vibrancy of black-owned businesses, the strength of the black church.

He doesn’t see the excellence of historically black colleges and universities or the pride of black parents watching their children thrive. And he apparently didn't see Police Chief Brown on television after the murders of five of his officers conducting himself with such dignity. He certainly doesn’t have any solutions to take on the reality of systemic racism and create more equity and opportunity in communities of color and for every American.

It really does take a lot of nerve to ask people he’s ignored and mistreated for decades, “What do you have to lose?” Because the answer is: Everything.

Now, Trump’s lack of knowledge or experience or solutions would be bad enough.

But what he’s doing here is more sinister.

Trump is reinforcing harmful stereotypes and offering a dog whistle to his most hateful supporters.

It’s a disturbing preview of what kind of president he’d be.


And that's what I want to make clear today:

A man with a long history of racial discrimination, who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far, dark reaches of the internet, should never run our government or command our military.

Ask yourself, if he doesn’t respect all Americans, how can he serve all Americans?

Now, I know some people still want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

They hope that he will eventually reinvent himself – that there’s a kinder, gentler, more responsible Donald Trump waiting in the wings somewhere.

Because after all, it’s hard to believe anyone – let alone a nominee for president – could really believe all the things he says.

But the hard truth is, there’s no other Donald Trump. This is it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/25/hillary-clintons-alt-right-speech-annotated/?utm_term=.2d4a3ad0d95f

Thank you, JH! tweety and Michael steele are tools.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
106. Well Chris didn't grasp how abnormal Trump was...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:45 PM
Feb 2017

Last night he was saying a lot of people voted for Trump because he promised not to get them into stupid wars, when the Man ( OrangeManiac) said he would bomb the families of terrorists, was issuing tough talk on Iran, and was way too flippant about nuclear armament. Trump has an itch for war yet Chris and others believed him to be some kind of dove.

oasis

(49,152 posts)
83. British PM, David Cameron rode off into the sunset after the Brexit vote.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 02:13 AM
Feb 2017

Hillary put every last ounce of energy into Election 2016 and also deserves to ride off without looking back.

To the Trumpoid voters and the malcontented sore heads who couldn't find it within themselves to cast a vote, I say "It's yours now, you handle it".

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
97. This is the Hillary that I like. I would support this Hillary ...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:42 AM
Feb 2017

... I have a lot of disagreements with her, but this is the kind of statement I would have liked to hear more - and be more genuine.

Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #97)

KPN

(15,587 posts)
102. Who is clamoring for Hillary to speak up?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:21 PM
Feb 2017

I don't hear it. She was right in her comments above, but she's had her two chances. The Clinton's are the past. Just saying ... the party's moving on.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
104. Yes, I've seen some asking her to, not just on here...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:39 PM
Feb 2017

but also elsewhere, which is why I created this post.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
105. Every Democratic politician has to lead in their district/state..
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:41 PM
Feb 2017

We don't need a singular leader of the Democratic Party.

radhika

(1,008 posts)
107. Wouldn't surprise me if Trump moved to arrest her....if only as a distraction
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:54 PM
Feb 2017

Hillary knows that she could be the sacrificial victim if his EinSatzTrumpen gets fully unleashed. Think of opposition leaders in all nations that go Fascist or strong-man authoritarian. Silence may make sense for her.

That scenario could happen as #RESIST grows, for strategic reasons. Even though none of the Resisters I know give a *(&* about Hillary - including me. It would consume media full-time, and his lackeys would quietly proceed to dismantle the safety net, civil liberties etc. In the background, barely noticed by the masses.

If this is too alarmist, ban me.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
109. No it's not too alarmist at all.. Trump is authoritarian, that scenario might be his wet dream.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:56 PM
Feb 2017
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