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Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:07 PM

No, younger Democrats, this isn't like Nixon. This is like Nixon on crack.

Edited to add:

This is what a President on crack looks like when he has a press conference


The speed of the collapse of the honeymoon and the level of infighting is moving at the speed of light

The break in at the Watergate was a single thread with a few side threads.

We are witnessing an exponential explosion of leads, gaffes, betrayal, perfidy, use of government for personal gain and possibly outright treason.

Take a look at this picture

?quality=85

It shows

1) Violation of security of classified documents

2) Use of government to advance personal assets

3) Potential violation of classified material by cyber malware: There is a very good chance that the "flashlight" download they are using for the country club guests to view the classified material has malware that is stealing the document and sending it out in real time (much greater violation than anything that Secretary Clinton did):


The Hidden Piracy threat of Flashlight Applications
https://www.wired.com/2014/10/iphone-apps/

4) Not to mention the general level of buffoonery that they are showing to the entire world

Nothing Nixon did was this haphazard and the truth is if he hadn't recorded it he would have gotten away with it.

Trump isn't just recording it he is charging people to watch him fuck it up while he is doing it and letting them record it.

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Reply No, younger Democrats, this isn't like Nixon. This is like Nixon on crack. (Original post)
grantcart Feb 2017 OP
TygrBright Feb 2017 #1
Amaryllis Feb 2017 #27
klook Feb 2017 #79
jmowreader Feb 2017 #91
klook Feb 2017 #104
jmowreader Feb 2017 #114
central scrutinizer Feb 2017 #46
Alice11111 Feb 2017 #93
ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #49
lagomorph777 Feb 2017 #73
Alice11111 Feb 2017 #92
liberal N proud Feb 2017 #2
lpbk2713 Feb 2017 #14
NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #3
Ken Burch Feb 2017 #4
asiliveandbreathe Feb 2017 #5
flygal Feb 2017 #6
tinrobot Feb 2017 #38
Alice11111 Feb 2017 #95
Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #108
Uponthegears Feb 2017 #7
pinboy3niner Feb 2017 #8
grantcart Feb 2017 #13
pinboy3niner Feb 2017 #16
LuckyLib Feb 2017 #34
Ilsa Feb 2017 #39
Alice11111 Feb 2017 #96
irisblue Feb 2017 #99
pinboy3niner Feb 2017 #100
irisblue Feb 2017 #102
pinboy3niner Feb 2017 #103
mcar Feb 2017 #9
LeftInTX Feb 2017 #30
mcar Feb 2017 #47
Alice11111 Feb 2017 #97
sheshe2 Feb 2017 #10
ginnyinWI Feb 2017 #11
Alice11111 Feb 2017 #98
ginnyinWI Feb 2017 #107
Alice11111 Feb 2017 #111
ginnyinWI Feb 2017 #115
Alice11111 Feb 2017 #116
charlyvi Feb 2017 #12
certainot Feb 2017 #94
Alice11111 Feb 2017 #101
mnmoderatedem Feb 2017 #15
MountainFool Feb 2017 #17
ToxMarz Feb 2017 #21
grantcart Feb 2017 #26
MountainFool Feb 2017 #37
grantcart Feb 2017 #43
calimary Feb 2017 #65
murielm99 Feb 2017 #83
Corey_Baker08 Feb 2017 #89
Alice11111 Feb 2017 #105
Corey_Baker08 Feb 2017 #118
simguy225 Feb 2017 #68
lagomorph777 Feb 2017 #74
Old Vet Feb 2017 #18
crazycatlady Feb 2017 #19
Initech Feb 2017 #25
mobeau69 Feb 2017 #55
murielm99 Feb 2017 #84
gademocrat7 Feb 2017 #20
triron Feb 2017 #29
Old Vet Feb 2017 #50
Initech Feb 2017 #22
coco22 Feb 2017 #23
coco22 Feb 2017 #24
benld74 Feb 2017 #28
catbyte Feb 2017 #31
riverwalker Feb 2017 #32
pnwmom Feb 2017 #33
tavernier Feb 2017 #36
Kashkakat v.2.0 Feb 2017 #35
leftstreet Feb 2017 #42
Xipe Totec Feb 2017 #40
Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #41
The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #52
Paladin Feb 2017 #44
bluetexas Feb 2017 #45
grantcart Feb 2017 #70
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Cadfael Feb 2017 #56
Hekate Feb 2017 #87
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lindysalsagal Feb 2017 #53
mobeau69 Feb 2017 #59
Alice11111 Feb 2017 #106
Lanius Feb 2017 #57
C Moon Feb 2017 #58
MrModerate Feb 2017 #60
mobeau69 Feb 2017 #61
grantcart Feb 2017 #64
HassleCat Feb 2017 #62
Generic Brad Feb 2017 #63
grantcart Feb 2017 #66
Jamaal510 Feb 2017 #67
Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #69
grantcart Feb 2017 #71
HughBeaumont Feb 2017 #72
mulsh Feb 2017 #75
grantcart Feb 2017 #76
gopiscrap Feb 2017 #77
unblock Feb 2017 #78
Mickju Feb 2017 #82
Corey_Baker08 Feb 2017 #85
Hekate Feb 2017 #86
bigbrother05 Feb 2017 #88
Javaman Feb 2017 #90
Alice11111 Feb 2017 #110
steve2470 Feb 2017 #109
VOX Feb 2017 #112
grantcart Feb 2017 #113
Skittles Feb 2017 #117
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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:10 PM

1. With a side of crystal meth. And a heavy hit of LSD. n/t

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:57 PM

27. And steroids.

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Response to Amaryllis (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 04:14 PM

79. Also echinacea!


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Response to klook (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:00 PM

91. They also do shots of hydrazine for a little extra energy

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #91)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:07 PM

104. OMG

After reading the description of this stuff, that seems plausible! Have to be wary of the side effects, though.
The majority use of hydrazine is as a precursor to blowing agents.


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Response to klook (Reply #104)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:52 PM

114. You missed the most important part

Hydrazine is highly toxic and dangerously unstable...


Which describes the Trump Administration to a tee.

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:49 PM

46. Don't impugn LSD

By dragging it in here. PCP maybe

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Response to central scrutinizer (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:22 PM

93. LOL

You get a heart.

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:03 PM

49. A 30 year habit

With chronically infected abscesses

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:03 AM

73. I remember Watergate; it seemed like an eternity. This is so fast it's making me dizzy.

And of course the scope of the underlying crimes is dramatically more brazen.

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:19 PM

92. 1000x worse. Enabling foreign powers in treason, cover ups,


It is worse than we even thought. Still going on. Distraction of ground troops in Syria. Maybe that is fulfilling a promise to Putin

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:10 PM

2. Nixon had nothing on these criminals!

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:31 PM

14. I like your sig line.



Ringling Bros can no longer compete.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:11 PM

3. More like bath salts...

 

eom

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:13 PM

5. Not to mention those hidden cameras in pens -

or flashlights..or wristwatches.....this is beyond buffoonery..this is downright threat to Natl Sec......

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:14 PM

6. Nixon was Illegal Governing 101 - these guys are Postdoc!

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Response to flygal (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:13 PM

38. They're kindergarten

Nixon knew how to fly the plane... well, until he crashed it.

These guys can't even ride a tricycle.

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:32 PM

95. As said, the buffoonery shown to the world...dangerous &

Embarrassing. Even his news conference now, he is still speaking as US President of fake news and his big win...carrying on about the electoral votes and what people said in the past about his winning. Obviously, he isnt capable of focusing on complex issues or taking minimal, common sense precautions, much less what would be expected by a world power.

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:54 PM

108. pretty much, they are toddlers

not even potty trained

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:16 PM

7. Nixon on crack?

 

There's no "on" to it.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:17 PM

8. Another pic...

"All the President's Men"


Great caption on Guardian for this pic - "All the presidents' men"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028643906

NRaleighLiberal

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:29 PM

13. That is a great picture


I wonder if these guys know how much Nixon's "men" had to spend on legal fees.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:32 PM

16. They're appointing their bag men as we speak

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:05 PM

34. What a clown car. Throw in Rinsed and Conjob

and it's a bus!

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Response to LuckyLib (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:13 PM

39. Conjob is slightly hidden, on left;

Rined penis is blurry, foreground, on right. That's most of them. Might be a good pic cover for the eventual DVD.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:36 PM

96. Love the Guardian...funny on Trevor Noah, this pic, Ivanka

Hearts in her eyes for Trudeau, and this pic of uglies in the back

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:46 PM

99. who is the guy 2nd from left taller then prebis &flynn?

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Response to irisblue (Reply #99)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:52 PM

100. Bannon. nt

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #100)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:00 PM

102. no Bannon is next to Conway and taller then Flynn.

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Response to irisblue (Reply #102)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:03 PM

103. Oh, you mean Jared Kushner, Ivanka's husband. nt

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:18 PM

9. It's Nixon's 8 years in 3 weeks

Last edited Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:59 PM - Edit history (1)

With cellphones.

On edit: Nixon didn't last 8 years. More like 6.

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Response to mcar (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:00 PM

30. And twitter

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:58 PM

47. Yep!

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:39 PM

97. Good handle

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:19 PM

10. The Three Stooges on steroids.

HMOG!

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:27 PM

11. The hubrus is the same.

I'm glad this is happening before the inevitable terror attack that they are so clearly inviting to happen. We have a chance to load up the clown car and move them out!

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:45 PM

98. Hubris is worse here. Nixon had levels of competence

and he was smart, but paranoid. These are totally incompetent, wouldnt take briefings, "Im smarter than the Generals," on and on, ad nauseum.

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #98)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:51 PM

107. I was stunned at his answers at the Netanyahu presser

Dumb as a rock, and living in his own little reality--electoral college, voter fraud, inaugural attendance, and now those nasty leakers! How dare they expose all the dirt!

This is going down so much faster than I thought it would.

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #107)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:18 PM

111. I feel like my head is exploding! I wish I felt more like your image of watching w popcorn.

My thoughts were the same watching the presser. I cant believe the Pres of USA is still talking about this.
With all going on, and planning ground troops for Syria, N Korea launch, cruise missiles, subs...and he cant move past bloviating about details of his electoral college win. Im afraid, we are done in, unless we get rid of him now.

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #111)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 01:01 AM

115. he can't handle reality.

He can't face any reality where he is not the best, the winner, the greatest. So he makes stuff up. I'm not sure I'd even call it lying, because he thinks it is reality.

It's troubling, but as I tell everyone, the situation is too unstable to last for very long. So sit tight and pop some popcorn!

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #115)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:43 AM

116. Insightful

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:29 PM

12. The harder the fall!

I hope.

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Response to charlyvi (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:24 PM

94. nixon's problem was he didn't have 1200 raido stations backing him up

and intimidating any republicans who might turn, making excuses all over the country to 50 mil a week

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Response to certainot (Reply #94)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:53 PM

101. Agree, &he didnt control of all 3 branches. Repubs different

then. There were some rational Repubs, not ALL crazy fucking extreme RWers with no balance. The country wasnt extremely polarized as it is today.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:32 PM

15. agreed

it's Nixon magnified 10000x.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:37 PM

17. not to nitpick, but ....

At least on modern iPhones and Androids, there's a flashlight button that's easy to use and built into the OS. No application needed at all.

Of course, the phones could be full of malware, it's just that flashlight apps are not required.

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Response to MountainFool (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:44 PM

21. Was thinking the same

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Response to MountainFool (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:52 PM

26. Fair enough but

even though there is a problem of malware tied to the flashlight app that has been widely downloaded,

we don't even know if they aren't snapping pictures as they go and all of those phones have camera capability.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:12 PM

37. classified?

Yes, of course the aids could have been live-streaming the whole thing to their blog readers (or covertly to Putin and China).

Btw, we also have zero real knowledge that he was looking at anything classified. The NY Times article references SCIF and potentially classified discussions, but for all we actually know, they just needed more light on the menu.

Given the, um, tensions between Trump and the intelligence community, they are slow to share anything secret with him. It wouldn't surprise me if they were reviewing Fox news coverage and nothing classified was being discussed.

That still leaves your #2 and #4 on the table for impeachment, which can't come soon enough.

ref: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/us/politics/mar-a-lago-north-korea-trump.html?_r=0

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Response to MountainFool (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:31 PM

43. There is no question that it was classified material

Spicer said that they were looking at "news conference logistics". In the government system planning the department's next department picnic would get a "confidential" classification. (By the way much of the hysteria about Secretary Clinton's 8 emails that were found on her private server originate in the public's misunderstanding of the classification system. Those emails were "confidential" level information which is generally available to the public.)

In the government system even discussion about "news conference logistics" would rank a rating of "confidential". What we don't know is if Secret, Top Secret or even higher confidential levels were handled alongside the desert menu.

From the article:


But national security veterans of past administrations still expressed surprise that Mr. Trump and his staff would not have excused themselves to be able to have candid conversations about the North Korean situation and to review sensitive or classified documents.

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Response to MountainFool (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 11:06 PM

65. Welcome to DU, MountainFool!

I can remember Watergate. I remember being almost laminated to the TV. Couldn't tear myself away!

I remember at the time - thinking how mind-boggling it was to be living through that time and witnessing this kind of history. Now my children are about the same age, and I suspect they're turning this over and over and over in their own heads now.

Having a major league deja vu, except yes, the Watergate scandal was NOTHING compared to what we've got here, now, with trump world.

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Response to calimary (Reply #65)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:04 PM

83. I was a Watergate junkie.

I was working at my first good job after college. I worked all day and watched the reruns of the hearings on TV until I could not stay awake any longer. I bought all the Watergate books, and I still have them. I made my kids learn about Watergate, too.

There were some changes made to campaign contributions and the FEC came into being after Nixon.

We need to get rid of Citizens United and get back to being more careful. Maybe we will see some positive changes after this fiasco, if the orange monster does not blow us to kingdom come.

We need to abolish the electoral college.

We, as Democrats, need to standardize how we run our primaries. I would like closed primaries in all states.

The media needs to take a good, hard look at themselves, and we need to hold them accountable.

We need to prosecute people under laws that exist already, even if those laws have not been used in the past. These are times to break new ground and use the existing framework as it was intended.

Above all, we need to break the republican stranglehold on government. They should be considered a disgraced party until they can fix themselves. If they can't do that, then let them die as a party.

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Response to Corey_Baker08 (Reply #89)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:23 PM

105. Interesting to ponder what made us liberals

You get a heart. For me, reading Harriott Beecher Stowe in grade school, grounded so read a lot of history, black nanny I loved, integration of schools and all the rude parents causing problems when the kids just wanted to be friends, assacinations JFK RFK MLK, JFKs speech, "ask not....," MLKs speech and my father telling me to stay home from school and learn from MLK and the marches on tv, moon landing, MLK saying you have to have something you are willing to die for, getting in trouble for reading Betty Friedan, civil rights marches before and in college, things my grandmother taught me about equality and the inconsistency of racism and religion, college after Vietnam, LBJ, Watergate, working in politics, law school, teaching, Iraq, healthcare ...and through life, several professions, and now this...Syrian refugees, bombings by Russia, another stolen election, treason.... I just keep getting farther to the left, or the other part of the country gets farther to the right.

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Response to MountainFool (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 02:23 AM

68. True but

 

the flashlight is right next to the camera. If the camera is compromised (child's play) then you don't need a hacked flashlight app.

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Response to MountainFool (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:06 AM

74. But Agent Orange uses an OLD Android phone

No doubt heavily-laden with malware.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:37 PM

18. Theres so much going on right now it can make your head spin,

then you got the shit with North Korea and Russia deploying a cruise missle and one of russias spy ships kicking around the east coast(WHEW) Everybodys lying about who, when, were the first to discuss Flynns call. I mean shit, trump denied knowing anything about Flynns call to Russia just a few days ago. WTF

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:38 PM

19. AS someone who wasn't alive for Nixon

I'm trying to educate myself on him (my parents werent paying attention).

I was always wondering what is worse.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:50 PM

25. I live like 5 minutes from the Nixon Library.

I should make a trip there and educate myself about Watergate vs what's happening right now.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:29 PM

55. My dad and I followed it every day for months and months.

We listened to the Erwin committee hearings on the radio until it got so big that they started running it on live tv. This was way before cable. Most amazing thing I ever lived through. The movie "All the Presidents Men" did a good job on the Post's investigation but that's not the whole story. It was all too much for one movie to cover.

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #55)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:06 PM

84. The hearings were rerun every evening

on PBS. Also, we had real television journalists in those days. Things were covered honestly for anyone who cared.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:40 PM

20. I agree with you, grantcart

Witnessed the Watergate scandal. This is infinitely worse.

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Response to gademocrat7 (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:59 PM

29. yes it is

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Response to gademocrat7 (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:14 PM

50. I also agree but I fear it will be just passed over sooner or later..........

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:45 PM

22. Crack, speed, LSD, meth, PCP, and maybe a dash of Peyote.

Then add in a few pharmaceutical drugs with lots of side effects like Propecia and Viagra for good measure.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:47 PM

23. So happy you posted this..

I was just getting ready to mention this. Every time I see this pic I get mad as hell.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:48 PM

24. Please don't forget to post a pic of..

The enablers the RepubliCONS.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 07:58 PM

28. NEVER would I have thought to see ANOTHER administration do these things

as I did as a HS Junior and Senior, listening(well half way) and wondering at the GALL os someone even thinking to do these things!

AND NOW THIS.
THIS SCROTUS and his cronies supreme, each ne more incompetent than the last.
THEY are going to govern us?
And their rabid followers?
Geez! Make Nixon followers look like 1st Grade Girl Scouts!

THIS is so much hairier than Nixon
So much more complacent by the Congress and Senate
So much more VILE and Crooked

I really just cannot believe it

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:01 PM

31. No kidding. It took Nixon 5 years for folks to be asking, "What did the President know and

when did he know it?" It's taken *45 only 25 days to get there.

Now we'll see if there are any 21st Century Woodward & Bernsteins out there to keep this going for longer than 1 or 2 news cycles--THAT'S the $10B question. I'm afraid if Watergate had happened now, it would've stopped with the 5 burglars and forgotten. It wasn't 2 days ago that David Corn was tweeting about how the Trump-Kremlin story just died and there was no media interest. I guess he tweeted too soon, lol.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:01 PM

32. So much bigger

That no one is even adding suffix "gate" like they usually do with every scandal since watergate. Because this is more than just a scandal, it is shaking the foundations. With Watergate we had to wait for new developments to come once a day, in daily print newspapers, and on the 30 minute nightly network news. Each development was slowly digested. The hearings though, were on all networks all day.
No internet, or Twitter with head spinning updates by the hour back then.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:01 PM

33. All true -- and yet we were in a stronger position then.

Because then we controlled Congress and the investigation. Now we don't.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:07 PM

36. But there is that third branch.

God bless the founding fathers!!!

And fortunately...

We The People

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Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:06 PM

35. No comparison at all -t here was no rw "alt reality" back then. Well OK mayber there sort of

was.... the left knew stuff about secret CIA operations, the fact that the gulf of tonkin resolution was based on a lie... and various other arcane details of the war that the general population didnt know, but I honestly dont think anyone in the left media , or the mainstream media was making stuff up. All the atrocities of the war were in living color on tv every night...there was actually investigative reporting most notably Bernstein/woodward. There was conservative media but just publications, a few commentators maybe.... nothing like the vast propaganda machine it now is. The John Birch society (closest in philsophy to the far right wing of the repub party and white nationalists of today) was considered wayyy fringe loony right wing whackos.

All this plays into whether "we the people" will be able to hold the crooks accountable.... or not. I still remember my Repub-voting dad one day telling me "maybe he (Nixon) ought to resign" simply based on the evidence he was reading in the newspaper. Im not optimistic that this stubborn 30-40% or so who believe the propaganda are going to see the light - theres enough of them to cause trouble andlive in their self contained universe and perpetuate their fantasy view of reality.

Have yall listened to RW radio lately?

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Response to Kashkakat v.2.0 (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:28 PM

42. People had higher expectations of govt

Everyone's much more cynical now, so I don't think the reaction to the crimes today will be anything like then. Far from it in fact

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:15 PM

40. Nixon was crooked and smart. One out of two ain't bad. nt

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:19 PM

41. Pence is to tRump as Agnew was to Nixon, only much worse too. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:21 PM

52. Nixon had Haldeman and Ehrlichman.

Trump has Bannon and Miller. They're worse.

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Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:32 PM

44. As Godawful as Nixon was, and as overjoyed as I was to see him brought down......

I never doubted Nixon's experience and ability to govern in a rational manner; I never questioned his intellect and reasoning abilities; it never appeared to me that Nixon was in it for the money or personal fame. And Tricky Dick never made me feel that my country was at existential risk on account of his misdeeds.

trump flunks every one of the aforementioned standards. I want him out of office just as soon as possible.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:42 PM

45. agree completely n/t

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Response to bluetexas (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 02:44 AM

70. welcome to DU

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Response to Paladin (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:28 PM

54. And sometimes people forget that Nixon was a VP for 8 years

under Eisenhower, so he knew the inner workings.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #54)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 04:23 PM

80. Also a congressman & senator. The only person elected president to have served.....

as a congressman, senator, and VP. Al Gore should have been the second.

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Response to jg10003 (Reply #80)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 04:39 PM

81. Yup.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:32 PM

56. This!

The most important part of how atrocious this is compared to Nixon CREEPs' dirty tricks.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:12 PM

87. Same here -- and Pence first, please.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 08:59 PM

48. These two things aren't even close enough to compare

Watergate is a picnic compared to this fiasco.

And much more riding on it for us all.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:19 PM

51. Exactly, Nixon at least knew how government is supposed to work

and he believed his own bullshit, thought he was doing the best for the country.

Trump has no clue how government works, believes his own bullshit, and doesn't give a flying fuck about the country.

Those are the differences. We old folks have seen part of this movie before but certainly not all of it.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:23 PM

53. Watergate was only an internal document theft. That was nothing compared to russian complicity

It was downright innocent compared to this crap.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #53)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:37 PM

59. It started with a break-in.

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #59)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:39 PM

106. Thx for posting clip. Reminds me. Watergate was a comedy compared to this!

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:32 PM

57. Who didn't see this train wreck, or something like it, happening? Oh, the low-info voters!

Considering Trump's personality, temperament, and inexperience in government, I'm surprised there are people who didn't think a disaster was going to happen with his election. It's literally amateur hour in the White House. And the head of the whole s--- storm is a malignant narcissist who doesn't know how stupid or dangerous he is.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:37 PM

58. And Trump was asking why their are so many leaks. GMAFB.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:46 PM

60. It's moving faster than Watergate . . . Thanks, Internet! . . . but does it have legs? n/t

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #60)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:57 PM

61. Oh yeah. Big ass legs.

A lot of posters think the coverup will work and nothing will happen. But the coverup has already been blown. They'll dig the hole a little deeper until it becomes every one for themselves. Mr. Art of the Deal is going to be the "victim" of some deals he could never have imagined. I'll bet he doesn't no shit about Watergate. He was interested in becoming a big shot in NY and chasing skirts. The lesson that was taught is that it's the coverup that gets you every time. drumpf wasn't paying attention. No surprise there.

To the doubters I say "oh yea of little faith", these bastards are going down.



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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #61)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:39 PM

64. its a centipede

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:20 PM

62. In some ways, Nixon was a good president.

 

He did not try to wreck the government, for example. On a personal level, Nixon was kind of like Trump. Presidentially speaking, they're very different.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:37 PM

63. The Japanese delegation had our national security clearance?

I know we share information with allies, but doesn't it get reviewed before being passed along?

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Response to Generic Brad (Reply #63)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 11:13 PM

66. Not sure about them but what about the Smith-Halverson party on table 12


They had an interesting suggestion that we try and arrange for a bridge tournament in Burma with the North Koreans. Midge Havlerson was very adamant that you couldn't go to war with someone after you played bridge with him. Trump was heard saying "worth a try, what could it hurt?"

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 11:14 PM

67. I'm one of

those younger Democrats, and even I know Toupe Fiasco's administration eclipses Nixon's in corruptness.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 02:28 AM

69. Extra emphasis on the buffoonery

In fact yes that about sums it up.

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Response to Kimchijeon (Reply #69)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:52 AM

71. Rufus T Firefly would be jealous

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:00 AM

72. Damn right it isn't like Nixon . . . .

. . . you know, since Nixon, Agnew and his rogue team of sleazes didn't get away with their crimes, had to resign and/or face criminal prosecution and were historically admonished.

In other words, things that are never going to happen to Trump.

Reagan and Ollie North set the blueprint with Iran/Contra (which, sorry, was treason):

IOKIYAR. IACIYAD.

COME on.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Orange Lincoln Rockwell IS GOING TO GET AWAY WITH IT. BANK ON IT NOW.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:24 AM

75. I haven't heard the suffix "-gate" applied to this mess. Its far too serious and rapidly unraveling.

I think enough serious investigative journalists and Intelligence community people know the gravity of this situation and are avoiding cute nicknames for now.

Nixon noxiousness simmered and was perfected over many years. My great aunt and uncle were friends of the Nixons before he went into politics. They told me Pat was lovely but Dick was a lousy card cheat. Which summed up his character nicely. He'd cheat in friendly games. Neither of them were surprised when Watergate hit, "It's in his bones" said my great uncle.

don has always been a grifter and a con man but was smart enough to stick to screwing people in real estate and licensing deals and steer clear of running for any office. He's way out of his league and has been since shortly before he rode down that escalator in 2015.

On the a positive note these antics illustrated the danger of "running government more like a business"

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Response to mulsh (Reply #75)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:28 AM

76. Russiagate thread now on front page of DU

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:28 AM

77. Good description

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:39 AM

78. times were so different. nixon didn't have foxnews

watergate seems quaint compared to the routine crimes of republicans these days, never mind the donnie debacle.

there's zero doubt that if watergate had happened today, the president would have easily gotten away with it. foxnews would have equated it with hillary something or other, everyone does it, etc. nixon could have admitted it all, openly pardoned the original burglars himself, and carried out the remainder of his term, damaged no worse than clinton was at the end of his second term.

back then, the media had a sense of responsibility, democrats controlled congress, and there was a bipartisan sense of duty to country first, party second. even republicans couldn't defend nixon.

today, thanks to gerrymandering, hyperpartisanship, extremely biased media on the republican side, etc., republicans can barely grumble about donnie without being accused of treason, or at the very least, being threatened with getting primaried.

our institutions are not at all strong, especially when control is in the hands of people who put party well before country.


much as we might hope otherwise, republicans *will* get away with this. oh, donnie himself, whatever, maybe he'll get forced out, maybe they'll cut a deal -- resign for no jail time -- maybe. but, big deal. we'll have president pence or ryan or some other republican and these evil bastards *will still control all three branches of government*!

the threat to our democracy is *way*, way deeper than simply donnie himself. getting rid of him is a small step in the right direction, but most likely, if we succeed in that, we'll celebrate our victory and relax and let the republicans continue the long march toward fascism. the donnie saga will be but a bump in the road.




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Response to unblock (Reply #78)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 04:49 PM

82. You are exactly correct

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:10 PM

86. We've left the Twilight Zone & have gone into Dinner Theatre of the Absurd Zone. Your points are...

...spot on.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:20 PM

88. Nixon screwing up the Paris Peace talks and Reagan's hostage shenanigans come to mind

It's like these nimrods have taken all the worst things from previous GOP transitions and gone into overdrive.

Also, they seem to have gone out of their way to find the most toxic cabinet picks possible just to piss us off. At this pace, what will they do to top the Pentagon Papers and Iran-Contra?

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 05:28 PM

90. also nixon opened china to the west. the orange menace is trying to close it back up.

don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of nixon, but at least he created the EPA and earth day.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #90)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:02 PM

110. Correct. Reagan got our enemy to tear down a wall. DT is building one beween our friend and neighbor

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:55 PM

109. You're right, I was never this worried about my country

It absolutely blows my mind that nothing serious has happened yet about that display of confidential documents, maps and conversation at a PUBLIC DINNER venue! If Obama had done that, there would have been howls for impeachment, hanging, you name it!

I hope the CIA takes him down with leaks. The FBI. Someone, and soon!

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:46 PM

112. In his time, Nixon was as big a threat to democracy as Trump is now.

"God damn it, get in and get those files. Blow the safe and get it.” That's Nixon, verbatim, from one of his vast library of self-incriminating tapes, which catalog the ramblings and edicts of a man tightrope-walking on the final tortured thread of his own sanity.

Nixon on African Americans: "What has to happen is they have to be, frankly, inbred. And, you just, that’s the only thing that’s going to do it."

Nixon on Jews: “I don’t want any Jew at that dinner who didn’t support us in that campaign. Is that clear? No Jew who did not support us.”

Clearly, Trump is an immediate and virulent threat to U.S. institutions, and must be forced out ASAP, but I cannot throw a blanket of compassion around Nixon, or view any part of his administration with some form of nostalgia.

Both men were/are very sick; Trump's psychopathology drives him to seek self-glorification. Nixon's paranoia was steeped in secrecy. Neither had any regard for the truth.

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/column/woodward-and-bernstein-nixon-s-crimes-were-worse-than-we/article_c9664e56-b3f8-11e1-bc67-0019bb2963f4.html
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[Sen. Sam] Ervin’s answer to his own question [What was Watergate?] hints at the magnitude of Watergate: “To destroy, insofar as the presidential election of 1972 was concerned, the integrity of the process by which the president of the United States is nominated and elected.” Yet Watergate was far more than that. At its most virulent, Watergate was a brazen and daring assault, led by Nixon himself, against the heart of American democracy: the Constitution, our system of free elections, the rule of law.
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Nixon’s crimes were worse than we knew
CARL BERNSTEIN and BOB WOODWARD
The Washington Post, 6/12/2012
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An early assignment was to destroy the reputation of Daniel Ellsberg, who had provided the Pentagon Papers, a secret history of the Vietnam War, to the news media in 1971. Publication of the documents in The New York Times, The Washington Post and eventually other newspapers had sent Nixon into rants and rages, recorded on his tapes, about Ellsberg, the anti-war movement, the press, Jews, the American left and liberals in Congress — all of whom he conflated. Though Ellsberg was already under indictment and charged with espionage, the team headed by Hunt and Liddy broke into the office of his psychiatrist, seeking information that might smear Ellsberg and undermine his credibility in the anti-war movement.

“You can’t drop it, Bob,” Nixon told Haldeman on June 29, 1971. “You can’t let the Jew steal that stuff and get away with it. You understand?”

He went on: “People don’t trust these Eastern establishment people. He’s Harvard. He’s a Jew. You know, and he’s an arrogant intellectual.”

Nixon’s anti-Semitic rages were well-known to those who worked most closely with him, including some aides who were Jewish. As we reported in our 1976 book, “The Final Days,” he would tell his deputies, including Kissinger, that “the Jewish cabal is out to get me.” In a July 3, 1971, conversation with Haldeman, he said: “The government is full of Jews. Second, most Jews are disloyal. You know what I mean? You have a Garment (White House counsel Leonard Garment) and a Kissinger and, frankly, a Safire (presidential speechwriter William Safire), and, by God, they’re exceptions. But Bob, generally speaking, you can’t trust the bastards. They turn on you.”
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Response to VOX (Reply #112)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:32 PM

113. I agree but the rate of disassembling is different.

it took 5 years for Nixon to do what Trump has done in weeks

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:55 AM

117. except Nixon was qualified to be president

this current fucking incompetent nitwit clearly is NOT

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:20 PM

119. Trump to self: No Pressers while on crack

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