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(51,920 posts)
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:52 PM Feb 2017

let's all give a big, rousing FUCK YOU to the media!!

during the campaign, you relentlessly presented donnie as someone we all couldn't wait to hear from. whatever he was, he certainly was exciting. so exciting, it was preferred to gaze upon an empty stage awaiting the next shock jock comment from donnie rather than cover actual news, even happening at the exact same moment.

somehow you missed the story of the century, that donnie was neck deep in ties to russia.

somehow you missed the story of the century, that donnie has absolutely zero experience managing a complex bureaucracy like the federal government. you dismissed this by saying how big the "trump organization" is, as if running a corporation in a dictatorial model could translate into anything other than running a country in a dictatorial model.

somehow you missed the story of the century, that donnie has zero political skills, and that this could lead to tremendous problems in actual governance.

somehow you missed the story of the century, and were caught completely off-guard by the incredible debacle that the donnie misadministration has been in less than a month. could you see none of the clues?

somehow you failed in your duty to inform the voting population of the *news* they needed to know in november, that donnie would be a *colossal disaster of epic proportions*, and instead focused on how provocative he was, and how hillary should somehow be in prison for a highly technical decision that was perfectly legal and nothing about it could be prosecuted.


so, for that, media, we give you a big, rousing

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!

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let's all give a big, rousing FUCK YOU to the media!! (Original Post) unblock Feb 2017 OP
They are part of the problem why we are where we are still_one Feb 2017 #1
yes, the #1 reason why Trump was elected Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #30
Yes, a very, very, very, very large part. Remember CBS CEO Les Moonves? Akamai Feb 2017 #33
Every single DK504 Feb 2017 #58
Found this site that says it has his information for contact. Haven't tried it yet Maraya1969 Feb 2017 #75
yes they are part of it for sure. Collaboration with Russia in itself is no 1; media complicitness triron Feb 2017 #36
They could have taken him out of the running way before the GE. Instead they chose profits over SammyWinstonJack Feb 2017 #54
Be specific Roy Rolling Feb 2017 #57
K & R!!!! But there were some great reporters who were all over Trump. Then there was 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2017 #2
the media can always play the 20-20 hindsight game, but it's important in real time. unblock Feb 2017 #4
Do not forget the story they did follow, fucking Clinton emails, dropped the day after the election. Fred Sanders Feb 2017 #3
yup. just because some hyper-partisan idiots in congress have 9 investigations unblock Feb 2017 #5
Yep. The Christophe Steele dossier was out there and know one had the skills to Glimmer of Hope Feb 2017 #6
FUCK YOU, Media!!! Iggo Feb 2017 #7
Thanks for nothing!! Va Lefty Feb 2017 #8
The media is good with spectacles. dgauss Feb 2017 #9
"Good with" in the sense that they love to cover them unblock Feb 2017 #12
You're right and I thought of that right after I posted. dgauss Feb 2017 #16
What did you expect? Useless in FL Feb 2017 #10
I never said I was surprised ;) unblock Feb 2017 #11
They forgot one thing. Boomerproud Feb 2017 #15
Yeah, that. But we have to use them now to help us which many are doing now that 45 has trashed nikibatts Feb 2017 #13
yeah, well, if donnie can "work the ref", so can we unblock Feb 2017 #14
They only care now because their livelihoods have been threatened by the alt right media kimbutgar Feb 2017 #17
And how many of the Press/Media are going to Golden Raisin Feb 2017 #18
can't get good gossip without good access! unblock Feb 2017 #19
Truth! Many in M$M played paparazzi to #TraitorTrump & always tried to normalize his atrociousness iluvtennis Feb 2017 #20
MSM is acting like all of these Russian connections and communications are brand new breaking news.. -Steph- Feb 2017 #21
Absolutely responsible zentrum Feb 2017 #22
I agree with Bernstein on that. mountain grammy Feb 2017 #24
Maybe he'll write it. zentrum Feb 2017 #29
Oh HELL yes! They are despicable. They've been disinforming us since raygun killed the Fairness Doc BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #23
Media? What fucking media? It's just another clown car full of posers with fancy hair. Augiedog Feb 2017 #25
exactly, that's why they're called "media" and not "journalists". unblock Feb 2017 #28
The fucking USELESS news media... MarianJack Feb 2017 #26
It was actually reported on MSNBC but nobody got excited about it so doc03 Feb 2017 #27
I have to agree with this. They're charging in now, like they're purveyors of truth, Justice and MADem Feb 2017 #31
it's not just the russian connection. there's so much more! unblock Feb 2017 #32
How About This, Unblock ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #43
Oh yes, the information was out there not fooled Feb 2017 #59
Yeah But Some Of That Can Seem Complicated ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #67
yes, he's a loser. a massive loser. unblock Feb 2017 #73
great comparison to Stern starshine00 Feb 2017 #60
NO NO NO !!! Its what you guys wanted because you kept looking at our shows!! (Mika on MJ, my words) uponit7771 Feb 2017 #34
Do you really believe that? Flatpicker Feb 2017 #35
agreed. "missing the story" doesn't necessarily mean out of incompetence. unblock Feb 2017 #37
Oh the m$m shares a big chunk of blotus but do you think Cha Feb 2017 #38
You happy, Les "Donald, keep going!" Moonves? VOX Feb 2017 #39
He's probably not fooled Feb 2017 #61
Yep, this is ALL on them. Had they done their jobs, none of this would be an issue. AgadorSparticus Feb 2017 #40
Russiagate Was Not itcfish Feb 2017 #41
Some of the print media - notably the NY print BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #42
I totally disagree with you Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2017 #44
Nothing inconsistent with taking them to task unblock Feb 2017 #45
I agree that they were in large part responsible for creating Trump and for his election victory, bu Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2017 #46
They got exactly what they wanted. tom_kelly Feb 2017 #47
the modern yellow journalists. unblock Feb 2017 #50
No, the media is our very best ally right now. The "fuck you" was due months ago. kwassa Feb 2017 #48
the "fuck you" was *for* their reprehensible behavior during the campaign, but unblock Feb 2017 #49
At this point, I need to pick my battles. Fighting the media isn't priority number one. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2017 #51
++++ underpants Feb 2017 #52
Trump, brought to you by Putin and Andrea Mitchell tavernier Feb 2017 #53
I don't blame media for putting Trump out there. I blame voters who either didn't recognize Hoyt Feb 2017 #55
All of them? Every last one of them? I disagree. Google will uncover mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2017 #56
i wasn't specifc, of course there were exceptions. unblock Feb 2017 #68
Lets stick with facts, shall we! HenryWallace Feb 2017 #62
no, not really! the typical media reaction to outrageous donnie quotes unblock Feb 2017 #70
I'll leave that talk to Palin and Trump, so no thanks. Greybnk48 Feb 2017 #63
yeah, i haven't watched cnn in about 15 years, and abc/nbs/cbs in even longer. unblock Feb 2017 #71
Now is the time to support the NYT, PBS, the New Yorker, etc. Pick the best and subscribe! nt LAS14 Feb 2017 #79
The Corporate-Owned Media is Conservative dlk Feb 2017 #64
yes, i'm offended that they call themselves "journalists" or "the news" unblock Feb 2017 #72
Not just that, but the times Trump was able to not drool on himself NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #65
yep..BIG FUCK YOU heaven05 Feb 2017 #66
They don't deserve a fuck. Scruffy1 Feb 2017 #69
K & R True_Blue Feb 2017 #74
In all fairness, the print media was much better than cable news William Seger Feb 2017 #76
true, but sadly, most of us (try to) get our "news" from tv.... unblock Feb 2017 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author jayschool2013 Feb 2017 #78
perhaps they should apologize to the American people Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #80
Post removed Post removed Feb 2017 #81
Sorry, but no. I agree that they screwed up. Yes, it's a given. GoneOffShore Feb 2017 #82
I don't see it that way. Honeycombe8 Feb 2017 #83
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
30. yes, the #1 reason why Trump was elected
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:53 PM
Feb 2017

they are not all equally to blame, but collectively, they fucked up "bigly"

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
33. Yes, a very, very, very, very large part. Remember CBS CEO Les Moonves?
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:13 PM
Feb 2017
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/leslie-moonves-donald-trump-may-871464

From the above is this:

"Not that the CBS executive chairman and CEO might vote for the Republican presidential frontrunner, but he likes the ad money Trump and his competitors are bringing to the network.

""It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS," he said of the presidential race.

Moonves called the campaign for president a "circus" full of "bomb throwing," and he hopes it continues.

""Most of the ads are not about issues. They're sort of like the debates," he said.

""Man, who would have expected the ride we're all having right now? ... The money's rolling in and this is fun," he said.

""I've never seen anything like this, and this going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It's a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going," said Moonves."

*****************

You goddamn bet the media is responsible for Trump! Giving him billions of dollars of free advertising, engaging repeatedly in false equivalencies, in "both sides do it"-ism, in ignoring the debacle that is Donald Trump, etc.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
58. Every single
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:26 AM
Feb 2017

reporter should have walked out and have a case laryngitis. See how fucking happy he would have been then.

Maraya1969

(22,410 posts)
75. Found this site that says it has his information for contact. Haven't tried it yet
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 02:11 PM
Feb 2017

But it would be really nice if we could all express to him what we are thinking.

I called the number and it is a direct line to CBS

CBS

Mr Leslie Moonves CEO

Email leslie.moonves@cbs.com

Telephone 212-975-4321
Website http://www.cbs.com

Postal Address 10019M

Related lists US Companies

Advice from CEOemail.com Hints and Tips on how to write your email to the CEO

http://www.ceoemail.com/s.php?id=ceo-9995

triron

(21,880 posts)
36. yes they are part of it for sure. Collaboration with Russia in itself is no 1; media complicitness
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:59 PM
Feb 2017

is next

SammyWinstonJack

(44,129 posts)
54. They could have taken him out of the running way before the GE. Instead they chose profits over
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 10:51 AM
Feb 2017

Democracy. Nice.

Roy Rolling

(6,831 posts)
57. Be specific
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:20 AM
Feb 2017

There are millions of rank-and-file media workers, led by corporate media CEOs with competing political beliefs.

Such a blanket statement needlessly vilifies those with progressive values---such as the media workers---in one of the remaining union-dominated industries in the U.S.

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,728 posts)
2. K & R!!!! But there were some great reporters who were all over Trump. Then there was
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:58 PM
Feb 2017

CNN which put Corey Lewandowski on the payroll! But now they're on Trump's shit list, he's on theirs, too! I would say better late than never - but it's too fucking late!

unblock

(51,920 posts)
4. the media can always play the 20-20 hindsight game, but it's important in real time.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:01 PM
Feb 2017

yes, many of my complaints were in fact mentioned at some point, somewhere, buried on page 37, etc.

at best this is burying the lede.

you can't give 80% of the airtime to covering donnie breathlessly and later claim you adequately informed people that he was completely inappropriate for the job of president.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Do not forget the story they did follow, fucking Clinton emails, dropped the day after the election.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:00 PM
Feb 2017

All for the sake of ratings and $$$$. Thanks for nothing. Bet CNN and Jeff Zucker are not feeling so smug now.

Now we learn Comey likely knew of the contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence but he chose to drop the email story into the middle of the election and not the treasonous actions of Trump and company.

No wonder Trump is keeping Comey on, he needs him to continue the coverup.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
5. yup. just because some hyper-partisan idiots in congress have 9 investigations
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:03 PM
Feb 2017

doesn't mean you have to give them more than a mere mention. if they're baseless pandering and shit-stirring, they don't deserve extensive coverage. the media routinely ignores plenty of what congress does. they can't pretend they have to give it a ton of airtime.

dgauss

(878 posts)
9. The media is good with spectacles.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:16 PM
Feb 2017

The spectacle of the Trump campaign and now, to some degree, the spectacle of his disastrous presidency.

If the Trump presidency ceases to be a spectacle, though, the media will lose interest in any malfeasance that is "boring" and therefore not a ratings grabber.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
12. "Good with" in the sense that they love to cover them
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:48 PM
Feb 2017

Not in the sense that they cover them well.

To your main point, yes. donnie is a one-trick pony and he's run out of tricks. His schtick is getting old fast and a bigger spectacle looms....

dgauss

(878 posts)
16. You're right and I thought of that right after I posted.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:00 PM
Feb 2017

I probably should have said "feeds on" instead of "good with." It's hard to see much good in it.

My main point was that when Trump runs out of tricks, the damage will continue but the media will have moved on.

Useless in FL

(329 posts)
10. What did you expect?
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:32 PM
Feb 2017

It's the corporate media...they wanted him to win...they wanted to control the message...and they want to control us.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
13. Yeah, that. But we have to use them now to help us which many are doing now that 45 has trashed
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:50 PM
Feb 2017

them. We have to play smart whether or not we like it. They are willing resources now with a few who are 45-lovers like Andrea and Joe. But we can operate around them.

kimbutgar

(20,764 posts)
17. They only care now because their livelihoods have been threatened by the alt right media
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:01 PM
Feb 2017

By ignoring and then attacking the MSM chump has succeeded in getting them to do their jobs.

Golden Raisin

(4,593 posts)
18. And how many of the Press/Media are going to
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:02 PM
Feb 2017

attend the annual White House Correspondents' Dinner to laugh, smile, rub elbows and normalize by their presence these lying brigands currently in the White House?

-Steph-

(409 posts)
21. MSM is acting like all of these Russian connections and communications are brand new breaking news..
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:08 PM
Feb 2017

Everyone, including the MSM, knew about all of this months ago during the campaign. While I do appreciate they are finally covering it, what took them so long? Where was this reporting when it could have made a difference during the election?

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
22. Absolutely responsible
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:14 PM
Feb 2017

...for this tragic debacle.

Bernstein says that the great untold story of America, after the story of its racism, is the failure of its media.

We cannot survive as a Democracy (such as it is) without a real press.

And the Murdoch empire is spreading world-wide.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
23. Oh HELL yes! They are despicable. They've been disinforming us since raygun killed the Fairness Doc
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:20 PM
Feb 2017

Fairness Doctrine.

That's why I never watch. I hate them so much, I'd have an aneurism if I sat there soaking in their poison and false equivalencies.

Augiedog

(2,541 posts)
25. Media? What fucking media? It's just another clown car full of posers with fancy hair.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:27 PM
Feb 2017

We haven't had a true journalist in twenty years at least and maybe since Vietnam.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
26. The fucking USELESS news media...
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:28 PM
Feb 2017

...was entirely complicit in and a party to and irresponsible with their coverage of this abomination of an election

Their deliberate incompetence for the past 2 years was abysmal and they bear a great deal of the responsibility in our country having a Russian puppet Grand Wizard today instead of a president!

They were played, knew they were being played and were willing and eager to be conned and I forgive them for NOTHING!

PEACE!

doc03

(35,078 posts)
27. It was actually reported on MSNBC but nobody got excited about it so
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:37 PM
Feb 2017

they went back to kissing Trump's ass for ratings. I remember posting on DU several times before the election
that the Russian connection should be investigated. Remember they dumped Manafort then the Trump campaign
made just one change to the Republican platform and that involved giving Putin a free hand in Ukraine. Didn't Malcom
Nance write a book about it way before the election?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. I have to agree with this. They're charging in now, like they're purveyors of truth, Justice and
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:02 PM
Feb 2017

the American way....when they covered every fucking one of his "rallies" even before he showed up, they talked him up endlessly, all while screeching emails/emails/emails and IGNORING anyone who said "WTF is up with all this RUSSIAN shit with Donnie Boy?"

Unquestioning, uncritical, a lot of "Oh, isn't he EXCITING" and "Oooh la la" but no "What is this guy doing? What are his QUALIFICATIONS? Who are these skeevy friends?"

THEY did this to us--we should never, EVER forget it. They denied us the most qualified and prepared candidate in history. They, and the Russians, are responsible for the crisis we find ourselves in today.

Impeachment can't come soon enough--and then we'll have another problem--we'll have to cage that End-Timer Pence.

UGH. I'm too old for this shit.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
32. it's not just the russian connection. there's so much more!
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:07 PM
Feb 2017

how could they not make it clear to voters that he has *zero* experience managing anything like the federal government?
how could they not make it clear that his business empire is *nothing* like a democratic bureaucracy?
how could they not make it clear that his defective personality makes the team-building that's essential to run a white house impossible?
how could they not make it clear that he might try to bust up families based on bigotry?

instead they made him seem like howard stern, just another shock jock, isn't he entertaining, what outrageous thing will he say next? tune in for the next four years and find out!



ProfessorGAC

(64,184 posts)
43. How About This, Unblock
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 09:43 AM
Feb 2017

Another media member, Forbes, did an analysis that showed that if Trump had done NOTHING other than invest his inheritance in the market, he would be worth $2 billion more than he claims. IOW, he wasn't even capable of running a big business, because he would have been richer by doing NOTHING.

And all they had to do was report on someone else's reporting.

not fooled

(5,790 posts)
59. Oh yes, the information was out there
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:29 AM
Feb 2017

from the guy who ghost-wrote Art of the Deal...David Cay Johnston's biography...journalists in New York who had covered dump for decades...all saying that this guy wasn't capable of running the Trump org, let alone the U.S. Cataloguing his mental defects, compulsive lying, lack of any sort of ethics, nonexistent attention span, bad business decisions, mob connections, etc.etc.etc...there was PLENTY of evidence that he would be an f-up in the White House.

The corporate media and Faux-bots chose to downplay or ignore the warnings.



ProfessorGAC

(64,184 posts)
67. Yeah But Some Of That Can Seem Complicated
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 12:57 PM
Feb 2017

There is nothing complicated over the idea that he would have made more money by doing NOTHING! Even the least involved voter would grasp that for all his endeavors, he would have been better off just playing golf ALL THE TIME!

unblock

(51,920 posts)
73. yes, he's a loser. a massive loser.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 01:29 PM
Feb 2017

there was no excuse to give him easily 80% of the coverage, and then to use 80% of the remaining airtime to trash hillary.

especially when hillary's drawbacks were mostly fabricated and/or blown way, way, way out of proportion; while donnie's drawbacks were/are of genuinely epic proportions.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
60. great comparison to Stern
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:31 AM
Feb 2017

those kind of folks are great at selling advertising to the most desired demographic (males 18 to 40) who want to actually believe that people with less advantages and opportunities than them really are the reason that they themselves are not doing better in life.

A lot of us forget that just about all media is driven not by journalistic ethics but by advertising, period.

uponit7771

(90,193 posts)
34. NO NO NO !!! Its what you guys wanted because you kept looking at our shows!! (Mika on MJ, my words)
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:13 PM
Feb 2017

... she actually gave a stupid ass'd excuse like this and so will the rest of them

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
35. Do you really believe that?
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:53 PM
Feb 2017

The media didn't make a mistake with this.

You're missing the point. The media is showing how they have become the kingmakers and breakers of the US electorate.

They built Trump and and giggling with glee as they watch him flail and fail.

We have so many problems in our system right now. Trump is really only a symptom.
The money, the media, and the narrative needs are the 3 heads of this monster. Unfortunately, the people suffer while the beast gets fed.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
37. agreed. "missing the story" doesn't necessarily mean out of incompetence.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 12:59 AM
Feb 2017

my main gripe with the media is its editorial/programming decisions.
which stories they choose to harp on relentlessly, and which stories get barely a mention.

hillary's emails deserved barely a mention, and the coverage of the 9 investigations should have made it clear that it was all a hyper-partisan stunt.

meanwhile, coverage of donnie should have made it clear that he was incredibly poorly suited to actually being president, and what a disaster that could be.

Cha

(295,541 posts)
38. Oh the m$m shares a big chunk of blotus but do you think
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:17 AM
Feb 2017

they'll cop to it and take responsibility?

No, they're like trump and Sarandon.. Deflect.. never learn from their mistakes.

So yeah, fuck the media

VOX

(22,976 posts)
39. You happy, Les "Donald, keep going!" Moonves?
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 09:19 AM
Feb 2017

How happy are you now? Yeah, "it's bad for America," you were right about that. Is Trump still giving you a ratings bump? Are you still having fun?

Now, good day to you, sir. Begone. And kindly fuck off!

BumRushDaShow

(126,618 posts)
42. Some of the print media - notably the NY print
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 09:31 AM
Feb 2017

were (and have been over the decades) all over Drumpf.

However most of the populace no longer "reads the paper" and rely on the tv gasbags, and that is where it all collapsed. I.e., they allowed the rampant lying from everyone associated with the Drumpf campaign, to go on unabated... The mentality was established even before the campaign where (as an example) where you had idiots like Schmuck Toad proclaim that it wasn't their job to fact check.



So the monster that we have today would not have been created had it not been for the M$M's coddling of liars spouting lies nonstop for YEARS.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
45. Nothing inconsistent with taking them to task
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 09:52 AM
Feb 2017

For falling down on the job.

We don't need them to behave like they did during the campaign, we need them to behave like actual journalists.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,721 posts)
46. I agree that they were in large part responsible for creating Trump and for his election victory, bu
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 10:03 AM
Feb 2017

A lot of them are doing a really great job at this point. Having us lose faith in our media is exactly what Trump wants. Once their credibility is destroyed There will be nothing to fill that void but his propaganda

We need to work with them and let them know that we are more intelligent than they give us credit for, and call them out when they are wrong, but they are our only way for people to not just swallow Trumps propaganda whole

tom_kelly

(946 posts)
47. They got exactly what they wanted.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 10:32 AM
Feb 2017

Turmoil. And, that's what keeps people watching them for "the latest." Their drive toward the almighty dollar knows no bounds. It's happening exactly the way they knew it would.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
48. No, the media is our very best ally right now. The "fuck you" was due months ago.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 10:35 AM
Feb 2017

Many of the major media outlets are doing an outstanding job of challenging Trump and his minions at every chance they get since the inauguration.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
49. the "fuck you" was *for* their reprehensible behavior during the campaign, but
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 10:40 AM
Feb 2017

it is far more evident *now* that they did america a tremendous disservice.

prior to the overwhelming evidence of donnie's corruption, incompetence, suspicious ties to russia, and heartless executive orders, one could see a "fuck you" back in november as merely partisan.


i agree that they're doing a better job *now*.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,053 posts)
51. At this point, I need to pick my battles. Fighting the media isn't priority number one.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 10:44 AM
Feb 2017

Plus, "the media", much like "Congress" can't be considered monolithic, so I tend to shy away from blanket condemnations of the entire industry.

The effect of Congress being in Republican hands angers me immensely. But my local Democratic representative? I'm fine with him. No need to throw him out.

I despise outfits like Fox and Breitbart, and I hate that even amongst other media organizations Donald Trump was given a free platform to grow into the monster that he is today as opposed as to the single-digit joke candidate he should have been considered from the get-go.

But I can't fault the entire "media" for that. I see people like David Fahrenthold of the Washington Post who are doing incredible work. I see stories being published in the Post or New York Times that are doing a great job exposing the lies and fraud of the Trump administration. Even in the seemingly light cable news fluff of CNN you see some individuals in there who are not taking this President for granted and are calling him out.

Plus, when you see Trump himself lash out at the media as a whole (sparing the sycophantic outfits that do praise him), it doesn't seem right to glom on in that battle.

We need to pick our fights, and right now, "the media" isn't enemy number one right now, if it is even an enemy at all.

tavernier

(12,299 posts)
53. Trump, brought to you by Putin and Andrea Mitchell
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 10:50 AM
Feb 2017

Greenspan... who, despite her obsession, hasn't mentioned Clinton's emails once since election.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
55. I don't blame media for putting Trump out there. I blame voters who either didn't recognize
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:08 AM
Feb 2017

how stupid and bigoted he is -- it was plain to see -- or were happy to vote for a stupid, racist white winger.

Putting Trump on TV should have convinced voters what he was like. Anyone who is not an ignorant white wing racist didn't need a talking head to tell us the man on the screen wasn't going to be good for the country.

I blame the dumb fools and racists who voted for Trump.

mahatmakanejeeves

(56,713 posts)
56. All of them? Every last one of them? I disagree. Google will uncover
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:13 AM
Feb 2017

quite a few articles that discuss what you say they never printed.

Printed. Not ran on TV. Printed.

unblock

(51,920 posts)
68. i wasn't specifc, of course there were exceptions.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 01:13 PM
Feb 2017

real news sources did warn us. for example the daily show and samantha bee

yes, a lot of the stuff was out there, including liberal opinions of how bad donnie would be.

but the bulk of the media attention was focused on how exciting it was to hear what donnie had to say next.

my main beef with the media as a collective is not that they didn't present relevant facts at all, but that the relevant facts were dwarfed by an avalanche of sensationalism over how thrilling it was to find out what donnie had to say.

 

HenryWallace

(332 posts)
62. Lets stick with facts, shall we!
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:38 AM
Feb 2017

The great majority of coverage of the Trump campaign was negative!

The electorate who latched on to Russian information and miss-information, well they were never going to vote for the Democratic candidate anyway....

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(51,920 posts)
70. no, not really! the typical media reaction to outrageous donnie quotes
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 01:19 PM
Feb 2017

was not "negative". it was more like "wow, it's amazing that he would say that".

if you're capable of directly seeing the donnie quote as horrible, then the "wow" might seem negative.

but if you're looking to the media to tell you how to think (as many sheeple do), then the "wow" sounds as much like admiration at his boldness, candor, brutal honesty, whatever.


moreover, by *continuing* to give him extensive coverage, it validates those outrageous statements. many of his statements should have been disqualifying, and earned donnie a virtual media ban. he could have been dismissed as irrelevant and given minimal coverage.

by continuing to give him a disproportionately large share of the coverage, that effectively made it a media endorsement and approval of his offensive statements.

it doesn't really work to say "oh, he's horrible, let's ignore the sane candidate and focus almost exclusively on the wacko who would make a terrible president." the audience can't see it that way.

Greybnk48

(10,144 posts)
63. I'll leave that talk to Palin and Trump, so no thanks.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:45 AM
Feb 2017

I'm counting on the media to bring these fuckers down! NYT, WAPO, Mother Jones, Rachel, Lawrence, Jake Tapper, Dan Rather, Bernstein, Bill Moyers, etc.

No more "lamestream media" in my house, thank you. They will save us all, including Colbert, John Oliver, Seth Meyer, Melissa McCArthy and a whole raft of people pounding away at these scum night after night.

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(51,920 posts)
71. yeah, i haven't watched cnn in about 15 years, and abc/nbs/cbs in even longer.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 01:23 PM
Feb 2017

du lbn is a fantastic news aggregator, plus the "comedy" news shows are great.

unfortunately, much of the public continues to watch the msm, so we need to give them a kick in the right direction from time to time.

dlk

(11,378 posts)
64. The Corporate-Owned Media is Conservative
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:55 AM
Feb 2017

Corporations are generally conservative in nature and that goes for the corporate-owned media, as well. Their primary reason for existing is to make a profit. No one should be surprised that the MSM promoted Trump and his bizarre antics, even at the expense of our democracy. Too many media outlets are really in the business of infotainment, no matter the consequences.

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(51,920 posts)
72. yes, i'm offended that they call themselves "journalists" or "the news"
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 01:25 PM
Feb 2017

if they're merely scribes and gossipers, fine, just call themselves that.

but elevating themselves as if they're serving a vital national interest when there's mostly just a propaganda arm for the republican party, that's offensive.

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
65. Not just that, but the times Trump was able to not drool on himself
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 12:18 PM
Feb 2017

was considered a great day for Trump by the media - his bar was so low, the media dug a hole in the ground and put his bar in the hole. Meanwhile, Clinton's bar was so high, she needed to be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound to clear it. Heck, when Fox News was running stories about Clinton being held to a much higher standard, you know it's bad.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
66. yep..BIG FUCK YOU
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 12:32 PM
Feb 2017

to the media...all Now it's still a ratings scramble with these clowns falling all over themselves pointing blame...the media in this country is a joke in search of profits.

Scruffy1

(3,235 posts)
69. They don't deserve a fuck.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 01:17 PM
Feb 2017

The lickspittles of the media need to get a real job. I'm thinking a Bolivian tine mine.

William Seger

(10,726 posts)
76. In all fairness, the print media was much better than cable news
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 02:15 PM
Feb 2017

Cable news is TV, and TV is for entertainment. Look at what happened to the Discovery Channel, the Learning Channel, and the History Channel -- total crap now.

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GoneOffShore

(17,303 posts)
82. Sorry, but no. I agree that they screwed up. Yes, it's a given.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 07:16 PM
Feb 2017

But they have realized in the last three weeks what is going on.

Even the corporate masters have seen what the SCROTUS and Bannon are up to.

And a large percentage of them are getting off their asses and trying to fix it.

So, let us encourage them.

Let us applaud their increasingly good efforts.

And let us support those journalists who do the good work.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
83. I don't see it that way.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 07:47 PM
Feb 2017

They were as shocked as the rest of the country when Trump won. They presented the polls often (which showed Clinton winning). They thought the October surprise by Coomey was bad.

They gave Trump an outlet (finally Morning Joe quit having him on) because he wanted to go to the different political shows. They asked him good questions and let him bury himself.

I think they hawked the emails, but they also hawked Trump's failings. They replayed the imitating of the disabled reporter, the tape where Trump admits molesting women, Trump saying he wants to punch interlopers at his rallies in the face, and all the clownish and bizarre things Trump said and did.

There's news, and then there are the political talk shows. Two different things. News is news, and all Presidential election news should be reported. The political talk shows always discuss the big stories of the day and week. Joe Scarborough was quite vocal about the shocking weirdness and dishonesty of Trump. Many Republicans who were "never Trump" people were on the shows.

I see the investigations of the Russian connections and such...they are still just reporting on the news, and discussing those things on the talk shows because that's the news of the day regarding national politics.

I think they've been pretty balanced. Unless, of course, a show has a decided slant. Hannity is pro-Republican, always. Maddow is pro-left, always. Those are political entertainment talk shows, though, containing opinions, and are not "news" broadcasts. I think CNN is pretty neutral (the news part, altho it has opinion writers).

Just my take on it. Thanks to all the reporters, we're hearing about a lot of things that the politicians want to keep us from hearing.

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