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Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:54 AM

Trump administration denies it is considering using National Guard to round up

Trump administration denies it is considering using National Guard to round up unauthorized immigrants
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The Trump administration is considering a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by The Associated Press.

However, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said the administration has made no effort to use national guard troops to round up immigrants. He called the report false.

The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana.

Four states that border on Mexico are included in the proposal — California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas — but it also encompasses seven states contiguous to those four — Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/17/trump-considers-mobilizing-100000-national-guard-troops-to-round-up-unauthorized-immigrants.html

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Reply Trump administration denies it is considering using National Guard to round up (Original post)
workinclasszero Feb 2017 OP
workinclasszero Feb 2017 #1
dalton99a Feb 2017 #2
Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #3
dalton99a Feb 2017 #4
lpbk2713 Feb 2017 #5
KittyWampus Feb 2017 #7
workinclasszero Feb 2017 #12
Botany Feb 2017 #6
workinclasszero Feb 2017 #9
Botany Feb 2017 #11
workinclasszero Feb 2017 #15
Tiggeroshii Feb 2017 #18
jmg257 Feb 2017 #25
wordpix Feb 2017 #31
jmg257 Feb 2017 #32
angrychair Feb 2017 #33
jmg257 Feb 2017 #38
angrychair Feb 2017 #43
workinclasszero Feb 2017 #35
workinclasszero Feb 2017 #26
atreides1 Feb 2017 #8
bigtree Feb 2017 #10
DK504 Feb 2017 #13
world wide wally Feb 2017 #14
Achilleaze Feb 2017 #16
librechik Feb 2017 #17
workinclasszero Feb 2017 #39
nikibatts Feb 2017 #19
JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #20
NurseJackie Feb 2017 #21
underpants Feb 2017 #24
TrekLuver Feb 2017 #22
workinclasszero Feb 2017 #40
underpants Feb 2017 #23
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2017 #27
angrychair Feb 2017 #28
wordpix Feb 2017 #29
angrychair Feb 2017 #37
hack89 Feb 2017 #46
braddy Feb 2017 #48
hack89 Feb 2017 #44
JHan Feb 2017 #30
wordpix Feb 2017 #34
Doreen Feb 2017 #36
lpbk2713 Feb 2017 #49
Doreen Feb 2017 #50
NurseJackie Feb 2017 #41
workinclasszero Feb 2017 #42
NurseJackie Feb 2017 #45
workinclasszero Feb 2017 #47
TheDebbieDee Feb 2017 #51
C_U_L8R Feb 2017 #52

Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:56 AM

1. Damn here comes the deportation force!

Mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:56 AM

2. Yeah, the Associated Press created that 11-page document out of thin air.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:57 AM

3. If they're denying it, they're doing it....

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:57 AM

4. Yep.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:57 AM

5. Is Trump actually starting false rumors?




So he can piss and moan about "false news" and use this as an example.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:59 AM

7. Good question. And the next is, why is Bannon feeding press false stories.

 

Thanks for your post. It's an important point.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:04 PM

12. It could be a trial balloon

to see what kind of reaction it gets from the public before doing the real thing.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:58 AM

6. Not that I don't trust Trump and company but I don't

Here comes fascism.

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Response to Botany (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:02 PM

9. Now we will see if the National Guard will become Trump's internal police force

That is chilling to me.

Is it even legal?

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:03 PM

11. I have friends in the guard and I doubt that the guard would carry out such an order.

n/t

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Response to Botany (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:07 PM

15. Who the hell signed up in the National Guard for duty like this?

I'm sure many would be pissed if this order comes down.

It does show the dangers of serving in the military under a madman like Trump though.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:16 PM

18. We swore the same oath as him.

As did our generals. This is easily an unconstitutional order that should wait until a thorough review from the courts before executing.

Also we here in cali are still on standby for the fucking dam.

Priorities, right?

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:26 PM

25. Apparently it is quite legal...another bonus of the Bush terrorism years.

10 U.S. Code § 332 - Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority

Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.


10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


ETA:
And while we are at it:

10 U.S. Code § 333 - Interference with State and Federal law

The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—
(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:32 PM

31. 10 U.S. Code 311 - Militia (2) "unorganized militia"

I could be a militia of one since almost anyone can be---except I'm over 45.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:34 PM

32. Yep - but then that would be age discrimination - so we'd be OK!

Do we need to muster??

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:35 PM

33. The actual application of this is not Constitutional

I am surprised it has not already been challenged.
The Constitution guarantees the right of the people to assemble and protest.

There is going to be a lot of times in which a president isn't going to like a protest but it doesn't mean you call out the military to stop it.
I stand by my point that the application of such a law, across several states is tantamount to trump starting acivil war.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:41 PM

38. You answered the question - protesting is not legal...but immigrants in the country illegally are.

Calling out the NG to enforce immigration laws, which can not be enforced by normal means due to several reasons (unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion), sounds just like how the law is written.

Those obstructions could be his stumbling blocks...but interfering in lawful arrests is also illegal.

ETA:

while we are at it:

10 U.S. Code § 333 - Interference with State and Federal law

The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—
(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:58 PM

43. Still unconstitutional

I admit I'm no law student but I know that the mass round up and detention of people, "illegal" or not, will not pass the smell test in the courts.

More importantly, such an action will not be allowed in California or Oregon or any other state. This isn't the 1930s (last mass incarceration and deportation of Mexicans and other Latinos) or the 1940s (mass incarceration and deportation of Japanese).
http://www.densho.org/exiled-anti-immigrant-roots-mass-deportation-mexican-japanese-american-repatriation/

Most Americans feel nothing but shame for these dark periods in our history. NEVER AGAIN.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:38 PM

35. So it all goes back to 9-11 damn

See what we signed away after that terrible attack.

This is why Trump needs his reichstag fire event to shut down the real news media and take total control.

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:27 PM

26. Well seeing as how Trump and Bannon wipe their fat asses with the Constitution everyday of their

life.....

Constitutional crisis coming right up?

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:01 PM

8. What if it isn't deportation force!!!

N/T

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:03 PM

10. AP says DHS wrote the memo

...not surprised if the WH doesn't know what it's minions are doing.

They need to respond to the intentions of DHS, not just distancing themselves from this.






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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:04 PM

13. First they came for the Muslims

and I said nothing, then they came for the Mexicans and I said nothing..... Who's next? Are we in the Anne Frank period of this disaster?

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:07 PM

14. Is this the opening salvo in civil war?

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:08 PM

16. more fine-tuned and well-oiled republican LIES

They got the lie thing down to a sick science.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:13 PM

17. He wants a military presence in the streets of our towns

because he will be doing things the people will object to, and he didn't like the protests.
Bannon and Miller have studied this sort of thing, and they have dreamed of forcing America to their will.

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Response to librechik (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:45 PM

39. "He wants a military presence in the streets of our towns"

I agree.

He wants total obedience to the alt-reich alternate reality.

If the calls up the National Guard as the C-in-C they have to OBEY!

Now we now why the republican reich is so violently opposed to the judicial branch of the government.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:17 PM

19. Media, please stop falling for every rumor trap 45ers put out there.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:20 PM

20. Of course

They are tricksters who floated that for the sole intent and purpose of TRYING to discredit the media.

Too bad for them - we are onto these tricksters in the white house.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:21 PM

21. He's being hyper-precise when he says "has made no effort to use national guard troops"...

However, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said the administration has made no effort to use national guard troops to round up immigrants. He called the report false.

Yes, that's absolutely true. The administration hasn't made an effort to use National Guard troops to round up immigrants. Of course not... because the executive order hasn't YET been issued. The denial is worded so that it only applies to the present and not what's in the works and yet to come.

Or am I overlooking something? Am I being unnecessarily hyper-critical and cynical?

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:25 PM

24. Excellent point.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:22 PM

22. This better not happen. I'll want to overflow every street and SHUT IT ALL DOWN.

 

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Response to TrekLuver (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:52 PM

40. If it does we better have millions in the streets protesting

Because...first they came for the immigrants...etc

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:24 PM

23. Aside from the obvious - this would be DISASTROUS to the economy.

This is literally like using Brawndo to fertilize the agriculture.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:28 PM

27. Trial balloon?

I hope?

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:28 PM

28. While I would not doubt these idiots

Such a move is wildly illegal and illogical.
I seriously doubt the majority of NG would follow such an order. No competent military commander would acknowledge those orders. The damage such an order would cause to the delicate balance between the military and its civilian leadership is devastating.

More importantly, many states, especially California, Washington, Oregon and New York, would not allow that to happen in their states. Such a move by the WH would be tantamount to civil war.

While I do believe they are ignorant and arrogant, I hope they are not that desperately ignorant and arrogant.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:28 PM

29. Dump just sent 300 Air Nat'l Guard from CT to the ME

to "provide maintenance, security and logistics support for missions in the region."

He has to use Nat. Guard for everything now since our armed forces can't find recruits easily.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:39 PM

37. Interesting

I have a supervisor in NG at work that said he is "going to NC" for 2 months May-June. Never heard of NG being out that long...

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Response to angrychair (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:07 PM

46. The NG has been deploying to the ME on a regular basis since 2003.

I live in Rhode Island - there have been RI NG troops deployed overseas on a near continuous basis for 15 years supporting military operations.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:34 PM

48. He was probably attending a school, for instance the Guard and Reserves still have to go active duty

for Basic training, and Jump school, Ranger school, etc.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:02 PM

44. The NG has been fighting in the ME since 2003

the NG is not a state militia - they are trained and equipped to fight along side the regular militia. The only war in our history where the NG did not fight in large numbers was Vietnam - the NG fought in large numbers in WWII, Korea and now the Middle East.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:29 PM

30. They're lying.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:36 PM

34. more stupidity

There are lots of undocumented workers in other states like FL and in his own NYC and DC. Not suggesting they be added to Dump's 11-state proposal from the idiocracy but still, just sayin' it's another example of not doing his homework.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:38 PM

36. I KNOW THEY ARE LYING, PERIOD!!!!!

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Response to Doreen (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:05 PM

49. If their mouths are moving ...




they must be lying.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #49)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:22 PM

50. YUP!!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:52 PM

41. It will be an "unfunded mandate" and individual state governors will do the "calling-up" of...

... National Guard troops.

Maybe.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:55 PM

42. Hey no difference between Hillary and BLOTUS 45 huh?

That's what Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon told us.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:07 PM

45. Will these people be denied due process and deported immediately? Or will they be held in camps?

(Asking for a friend.)



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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:13 PM

47. There is no way to round up thousands of people at the same time

Without having a place to put them till deportation.

So yes there will have to be camps of some type. The jails would not begin to hold all of those folks.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:24 PM

51. Their denials are just confirmation that the rumor is FACT!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:25 PM

52. So.. where'd the document come from??

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