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gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. Is this the New York Times that ran Judith Miller and Elisabeth Bumiller?
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 09:46 AM
Feb 2017

Welcome back to the world of journalism, New York Times. If your ad is serious, that is.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
4. With all the information in the world, it is almost impossible to be right all the time.
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 10:30 AM
Feb 2017

But, the important thing is that you are open to be corrected by anyone. The object is the truth, wherever it might come from. There is a difference in permitting a mistake to be corrected and permitting a mistake to be covered up and lied about.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. Judith Miller's reporting was disputed in real time
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 02:12 PM
Feb 2017

And the Times stood by her stories, even through the invasion of Iraq and the squandering of billions upon billions of dollars and millions of lives. Elisabeth Bumiller's weekly valentines to the Bush administration were clearly designed to take the edge off these hard truths and lend a soft-focus image to a pack of blood-gargling psychopaths.

If the Times corrected any of this, it escaped my notice.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. Yeah, a few million dead or injured, a few billion squandered
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 02:31 PM
Feb 2017

I mean, let's let bygones be bygones. We can argue all day long about who published credulous reports that bolstered the bogus case for invading Iraq, but the fact is the Times is now all dedicated to the truth (they even ran an ad!), so we can totally trust them now to be on the side of the angels forevermore.

Yeah, I'm still kind of unhappy about that whole Iraq thing and its foreseeable sequelae that continue to bedevil us to this day.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
5. I like the concept - but I'm not at all thrilled with the execution.
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 10:50 AM
Feb 2017

This has fewer phrases that can be twisted to support the fake news contention that no one can ever really know the truth, but starting out with "the truth is hard," and "the truth is hidden" does not thrill me.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
6. Much of the truth is "hidden".
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 11:11 AM
Feb 2017

What is in Donald Trump's tax returns, for example?

What was said in the phone call between Flynn and Russian official?

How much does Trump have invested in his businesses in Russia?

The truth is "hard" to get sometimes.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
8. I would rather see the focus on uncovering it,
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 12:32 PM
Feb 2017

than on describing its current state - which I see as feeding into the meme that no one really knows what's true.

Response to Gothmog (Reply #7)

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