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Tue Feb 28, 2017, 11:54 AM

Trump Blames SEALs Death On Military: They Lost Ryan




President Donald Trump on Tuesday dodged responsibility for a botched mission he ordered in Yemen last month, placing the onus on the military and Barack Obama’s administration instead.

Bill Owens, the father of Chief Petty Officer William “Ryan” Owens, the Navy SEAL who died in the operation, demanded an investigation into his son’s death over the weekend. Owens further revealed he couldn’t bear to meet Trump at the airport as Ryan’s casket was carried off the military plane last month.

Asked about the matter during an interview with Fox News’ “Fox ‘n’ Friends,” Trump repeatedly said “they” were responsible for the outcome of the mission, in reference to the military.

“This was a mission that was started before I got here. This was something they wanted to do,” he said. “They came to me, they explained what they wanted to do ― the generals ― who are very respected, my generals are the most respected that we’ve had in many decades, I believe. And they lost Ryan.

“I can understand people saying that. I’d feel ― ‘What’s worse?’ There’s nothing worse,” he added. “This was something that they were looking at for a long time doing, and according to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis it was a very successful mission. They got tremendous amounts of information.”


read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ryan-owens-seal-raid_us_58b58852e4b0780bac2d58c6?l4u6jemi



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Reply Trump Blames SEALs Death On Military: They Lost Ryan (Original post)
bigtree Feb 2017 OP
Sunlei Feb 2017 #1
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Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #37
Sunlei Feb 2017 #52
Mr. Ected Feb 2017 #2
briv1016 Feb 2017 #11
Shoonra Feb 2017 #35
lpbk2713 Feb 2017 #3
ButSeeYa Feb 2017 #51
vlyons Feb 2017 #61
FSogol Feb 2017 #4
NCjack Feb 2017 #36
angrychair Feb 2017 #5
Orsino Feb 2017 #6
dhill926 Feb 2017 #7
oasis Feb 2017 #8
Achilleaze Feb 2017 #48
unblock Feb 2017 #9
BSdetect Feb 2017 #10
Initech Feb 2017 #12
demmiblue Feb 2017 #13
NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #14
spanone Feb 2017 #16
Mc Mike Mar 2017 #70
mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2017 #17
Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #67
WePurrsevere Feb 2017 #18
DK504 Feb 2017 #19
Doodley Feb 2017 #20
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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 11:56 AM

1. 5th day in the big chair and MR TRUMP KILLS AND WOUNDS 100 PEOPLE INCLUDING INFANTS

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:19 PM

15. Trumps a Baby killer.

mark 500, logout/computer lockup, 125 tracking cookies installed in 10 minutes after sending this by twitter to 20 people.

5th day in the big chair and MR TRUMP KILLS AND WOUNDS 100 PEOPLE INCLUDING INFANTS http://demu.gr/10028721648 via @demunderground

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:34 PM

37. Yakla Raid Trump's first war crime in only 9 days (decision made day 5) & 8 yr old US citizen killed

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:24 PM

52. Not ONE experienced Republican stood-up to STOP the stupid mission.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 11:57 AM

2. No, Mr. Trump, YOU are "they"

You greenlighted this operation. The generals did not. You own this. After a campaign of blaming "her" (HRC) and "him" (Obama), turn that tiny index finger around and point it at yourself, you egotistical, brainless waste of skin.

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:08 PM

11. One of the key traits of a Narcissist is that they will NEVER accept blame.

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Response to briv1016 (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:32 PM

35. If he never accepts blame then he'll never hesitate to do something stupid or crooked

There was, almost fifty years ago, a novel, supposedly highly imaginative, titled "Night of Camp David", about dealing with a President who becomes nuts. So far nothing about a President who starts out nuts and is surrounded by enablers and sycophants.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 11:59 AM

3. Fuck that idiot.




Fuck him all to hell. I've had just about all I can take from this idiot narcissist.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:22 PM

51. This.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:44 PM

61. complete embarrassment

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 11:59 AM

4. Who is in charge of the military, Trumpy?

We'll wait.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:33 PM

36. ... and who is "smarter than the generals?"

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:01 PM

5. W. T. F.

The most respected generals....military 's fault...mission started before I got here...got it.

Sorry republican45, you dont get to blame someone else for a mission you gave the go ahead for...it is your fault and blaming other people makes you a liar and a coward.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:01 PM

6. We will never get anything from Trump but excuses and invoices.

Those of us he doesn't sexually assault or imprison, that is.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:01 PM

7. can't beiieve ANYBODY in the military...

would support this shitstain after this....

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:02 PM

8. A real Commander in Chief would say, "We lost Ryan".

Trump is so quick to point the finger. Piss poor leader. But then, he's the loser the majority of voters expected him to be.

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Response to oasis (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:07 PM

48. + 1,000.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:03 PM

9. again, alienating the fewer and fewer people who support him.

and again, a case study in bad management.

presidents throughout history have had missions go awry, you simply say it's a tragedy and extend condolences and declare the fallen heroes. no need to throw anyone under the bus.

yet the dysfunction-in-chief can't help himself, he has to try to deflect blame from himself.


quite a contrast from truman's "the buck stops here."

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:06 PM

10. No child of mine will ever fight for this coward

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:13 PM

12. Good lord, what a monster!

That raid was ill advised from the beginning! And now he's throwing the military we elected him to lead under the bus! Everyone should take a knee at next year's Army - Navy game. Holy shit!

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:14 PM

13. When you point your finger...

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:15 PM

14. you are supposed to be the Commander in Chief

that means, it is YOUR responsibility as the leader of the military.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:20 PM

16. the buck stops nowhere near the Asshole-In Chief

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Response to spanone (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 1, 2017, 07:28 AM

70. The buck stops with the underlings. Always.

That's what his shitty little reality tv show was about, all the time. Him 'firing' the underlings.

6 bankruptcies, and he never got fired.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:21 PM

17. "... my generals are the most respected that we've had in many decades, I believe."

Last edited Tue Feb 28, 2017, 10:24 PM - Edit history (3)

Someone out there knows who is the youngest person of flag rank; that is, who made general or admiral the fastest. I'm not going to look it up, but wouldn't you suppose that a general or admiral has been in for thirty years minimum, give or take? Which means Reagan or Bush was in office when he showed up for ROTC or OCS, maybe Clinton for the youngest of the lot.

How this makes them "my" generals, I cannot begin to imagine.

As I was told about a hundred years ago in boot camp, you can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility. This is a lesson that will be written in blood. It won't be *****'s blood either.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 10:01 PM

67. I noticed that too. But, it's really just par for the course. He speaks like an idiot

most of the time. It's a national embarrassment to have such doofus in the White House in so many ways. His supporters don't care, though. As long as he makes noises that, however cavemanishly, support their biases, they're behind him all the way.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:24 PM

18. Trump 'chose' to go with a plan that Obama had nixed...

That narcissist in chief thinks that he's oh so much smarter than everyone else and that cost the lives of all those people, some just children and babies. It cost the life of this brave soldier who did his duty, TRUSTING that his CIC knew what he was doing, and the fact is that his CIC Trump didn't have a flocking clue but ran with a crappy plan anyway... pfft!

Trump is a classic narcissist and bully who will never accept that anything is his fault. The fault will always lie with someone else and he will deflect, project and lie until the day he dies. What we're already seeing is that this type of attitude doesn't attract or keep loyal people once they figure out that they could be the next one thrown under the bus by the Blamer in Chief.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:24 PM

19. When will the military begin

to begin a true push back against this traitor?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:28 PM

20. But Trump has already said he knows better than the Generals.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:32 PM

21. Commander in Cheep

What a fuckface.
I hope the military takes good notice what a weasel their Chief is.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:51 PM

22. The buck never stops with trump

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 12:54 PM

23. Wait, What? Whose generals were responsible? Yours or Obamas?

lost in here in translation.....Obamas Generals, who are somehow not worthy of respect, planned the mission, but your Generals whom are like the most respected ever in the history of respect, fucked it up?

Is that what he is saying?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:03 PM

24. This infuriates me on so many levels I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I have never hated anyone so much in my life, and that's saying something.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:04 PM

25. Fuck you, poser

Yeah, that's good, you fucking asswipe, alienate the SEAL community.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:05 PM

26. President Obama turned this mission down

 

as having good intel that this mission WAS NOT executable. This current administration wanted to prove him wrong and killed and wounded, among others, babies. This POS admin led by this terrible triumvirate is a huge disaster just waiting to happen

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:06 PM

27. Our national disgrace, the idiot we're straddled with at the top.

What a shameless coward tRump has turned out to be.

Could you imagine 1941 Pearl Harbor under this guy? "You military people are a terrible disgrace! I could defeat the Japanese in a month."

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Response to ffr (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:42 PM

42. Hitler too!

His last days in the bunker, Adolph too blamed his Generals for his failures.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:06 PM

28. nothing is ever his fault.

everyone is against him.

the press lies about him.

he's great at everything and somethings that don't exist.

he's the blameless god of all things insane.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:10 PM

29. And had it been successful, Trump would be grinning taking all of the credit

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:15 PM

30. Make sure this gets posted all over military sites.

They need to know, if they don't already, the little shit who is their CiC.

I won't be surprised if one of them turns on him.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:15 PM

31. And where is the republican outrage?

First - that this mission was shit and we lost a Navy SEAL as well as many civilians.

And

Second - a president is taking not responsibility and showing no remorse just trying to deflect blame.

What if this happened and Hillary was president? Good God they would be circling the White House with their guns and chanting "Lock Her Up" or worse.

I am so tired this asshole getting a pass from his cult of followers. This is disgusting and my heart hurts for the family of that SEAL

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Response to meadowlark5 (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:23 PM

32. Hell. Where is the military outrage.

Around here, military families just love them some trump.

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:43 PM

43. I wondered that too

I have a friend from high school whose son is in the military. Maybe career, I don't know. But he's been deployed a few times and they all just love Trump.

I just don't get it. I just don't

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:23 PM

33. Wow

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:30 PM

34. hey, douche boy--try reading (or watching, since we know your lack of comprehension) "seven

days in may" if you are going to keep insulting the military.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:35 PM

38. Contrast this with John Kennedy taking responsibility for the Bay of Pigs fiasco

On 21 April, in a State Department press conference, President Kennedy said: "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan ... Further statements, detailed discussions, are not to conceal responsibility because I'm the responsible officer of the Government ..."[160]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Kennedy.27s_operational_approval

This was a much larger, CIA planned action that Eisenhower had approved funding for developing the plan. Yet, decisions to go ahead with things are made by the President -- and when they go wrong, they need to take responsibility.

With Trump, he has even exaggerated what Obama did -- and he somehow seems to suggest that "his generals" are completely seperate from the generals in place on January 19!

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Response to karynnj (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:40 PM

40. No matter the outcome, the only failure is now the Commander in Chief.

Trump shows he is unfit for Command.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:36 PM

39. What a fuckin loser

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:41 PM

41. What a scumbag.


Trump is a typical narcissistic, trust fund baby who has never had to take responsibility for anything in his life.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:46 PM

44. The buck stops over there somewhere.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:49 PM

45. Trump, with a pocket full of deferments, says...."They lost Ryan"....

Then, he lies his ass off by saying the mission started before he became Commander in Chief. Like he couldn't stop it, which he could because he had the final say.

The truth is hard to come by in Comrade Trump's administration, but perhaps one day we'll find out whether or not we got a "tremendous amount" of information during that raid.



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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:54 PM

46. Yellow-Belly Draft-Dodging Chickenhawk Coward

is a lying sack of crap. Please have a KFC-induced stroke and die mid-sentence tonight. Please.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:06 PM

47. LYING orange assface!

You could have stopped at word 7 and told the whole truth - he never accepts responsibility for his own acts, never! Fault always lies with someone else since he's so fucking bigly outstanding!

What a freaking baby, trying to pin this on Obama. Obama was smart enough to say no, not enough information. Drumpf is the idiot who got this man killed for his own ego and then continues to lie about the results. There was nothing gained. The drivel they put out as new information is actually 10 years old.

Drumpf is a total incompetent and failure. Goddess please help our country survive this nightmare!

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:10 PM

49. Keep digging, Donny!

That mighty military you want to build might just come after you, asshole.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:16 PM

50. Trump is not a leader

He's a petulant child and he disgraces the office of the presidency every day

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:27 PM

53. Wonder how his fans in the millitary think about this statement?

or will they just not care- even though Republicans shrieked like banshees for 4 years over Benghazi and Trump exploited it for political gain at the RNC last year?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:27 PM

54. fuck him he sure ain't no Harry Truman

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:29 PM

55. Shameless and arrogant.....Trump's narcissism knows no bounds...

You can bet your ass that Trump would be taking full credit for the raid if it had succeeded in taking out its target.

This fucktard doesn't even have the decency to show a shred of empathy over the death of this sailor. Just pass the buck, "not my problem...."

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:31 PM

56. Who is the commander in chief who ordered the operation?

I guess the buck stops somewhere else now. What exactly is he responsible for?

They don't make presidents like they used to. Dipshit is a national disgrace. How can any military people still support him after he throws them under the bus?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:34 PM

57. I'm reminded:

"Having supreme command of the language, I kept my big mouth shut!"

He needs a version of "Does this make my ass look big?" And somebody to tell him, "it sure does!"

When you're the president you can have an opinion on anything. But you can STFU about it too.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:37 PM

58. *My* generals....

First off, they're the same generals that were there before, generally. Aren't they? Why would they suddenly be any more or less respected?

Secondly, what a back-handed compliment: "these guys are great cuz they're my guys... But they fucked all this up."

Too bad for Ryan that his Commander in Chief only respects heroes who live.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:42 PM

59. well blaming the military should go over like a lead balloon

I guess Traitor Trump forgot that he's supposed to be the CIC, which - ya know - makes him in the military. Meanwhile, back to Bengazi ...

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:42 PM

60. There are certain things that you just don't do...

There are certain things that you just don't do. And this is one of them. It seems like Trump has developed an expertise at doing things that are not ever done. He seems to be getting away with them. But I think that the damage is incremental and slow. His approval ratings are going to continue to go down and down and down and down.

I would like to ask a nephew of mine, whom I know voted for Trump, what he thinks of this latest out rage. He has already expressed some discomfort with the notion of repealing Obamacare without a replacement. I wonder what he feels when their commander-in-chief of our military blames I casualty on the military itself.

Once you have offended the intelligence community and the military you've subtracted a sizable chunk a his base. Can he then recover? He's somehow remained unscathed when he's done other things that just aren't done.

Unfortunately, we'll have to wait and see.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:45 PM

62. One thing to take to the bank...

The Deplorables will ALWAYS say it was OBAMA's mission, not matter how clearly you explain to them that it wasn't.

RW media is extremely and dangerously skilled in brainwashing these people.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:45 PM

63. Apparently Trump was manipulated by the generals' remark that Obama didn't have the

guts to OK the mission.


http://thegrio.com/2017/02/08/trump-launched-raid-after-told-obama-wouldnt-have-been-bold-enough/

According to an anonymous official speaking to NBC News, the president ordered the raid after being told by Defense Secretary James Mattis and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Joseph Dunford that it would be a “game changer” if the raid was successful. Trump was also told that his predecessor, Barack Obama, would not have been “bold enough” to make the move, prompting the president to take action.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:48 PM

64. Pathetic as usual

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 04:54 PM

65. He needs a sign for his desk: "The buck stops somewhere else."

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 09:14 PM

66. Donald Trump is mentally and morally unfit to be president

That is the central TRUTH of this administration.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Tue Feb 28, 2017, 10:07 PM

68. Blaming Private Ryan

(I know the Navy does not have privates, but someone had to say it)

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed Mar 1, 2017, 01:13 AM

69. His generals were Obama's generals

IIRC these were the worst generals in the history of mankind when Obama was president. Did he whip some of that discipline he got beat into him after Fred Trump shipped him off to military school into those slacker generals and turn them lean and mean?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed Mar 1, 2017, 08:10 AM

71. What a despicable piece of shit. The Commander in Chief takes responsibility--good and bad

And those fucking, vile, evil, despicable Republicans will let him get away with it.

Words fail to convey the depth of contempt, loathing, and hatred I have for these worthless, treasonous pieces of shit.

I wish I believed in hell because every last one of them deserve to burn in it.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Wed Mar 1, 2017, 11:14 AM

72. A success of such epic proportions that his administration bragged about a video that they captured

A success of such epic proportions that his administration bragged about a video that they captured that had been available on the internet for many years.

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