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Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:10 PM

Al Franken/Sherrod Brown ticket in 2020 is a dream ticket for Democrats.

Both are strong progressives from battleground states in the Midwest.
This ticket can win all of the Clinton 2016 states plus
FL-29 (261ev)
PA-20 (281ev)
OH-18 (299ev)
MI-16 (315ev)
WI-10 (325ev)
These states except OH are states Trump won in 2016 by a less than 2 percent margin.

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Reply Al Franken/Sherrod Brown ticket in 2020 is a dream ticket for Democrats. (Original post)
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 OP
StevieM Mar 2017 #1
TexasProgresive Mar 2017 #3
StevieM Mar 2017 #6
Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2017 #12
StevieM Mar 2017 #13
Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2017 #16
yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #32
Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #35
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #15
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #8
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #4
samnsara Mar 2017 #26
TexasProgresive Mar 2017 #2
Post removed Mar 2017 #5
madokie Mar 2017 #10
Control-Z Mar 2017 #7
madokie Mar 2017 #9
Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2017 #11
BannonsLiver Mar 2017 #14
dancePop Mar 2017 #17
eissa Mar 2017 #18
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #19
eissa Mar 2017 #21
Gabi Hayes Mar 2017 #20
KittyWampus Mar 2017 #22
Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #23
ChoppinBroccoli Mar 2017 #25
Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #29
Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #30
yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #33
ChoppinBroccoli Mar 2017 #24
Dream Girl Mar 2017 #27
Hekate Mar 2017 #28
delisen Mar 2017 #31
COLGATE4 Mar 2017 #34

Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:11 PM

1. I am liking the governor of Washington Jay Inslee lately. (eom)

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Response to StevieM (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:20 PM

3. He may be good but can he swing the rust belt.

We already have the West Coast but we need a candidate that can draw us all back together. I don't expect one who can win all 50 states but it would be nice to carry some in each region.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:28 PM

6. I think a good candidate from outside the rust belt can win there and a bad candidate from

the rust belt can lose there.

McCain and Palin had an all-western ticket that lost Colorado and Nevada.

HRC would have won Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan had it not been for the Comey intervention. And that is even assuming that the race had narrowed for other reasons.

It also would help to be able to run strong campaigns in Florida, North Carolina and Arizona--all of which Comey also cost her--in case we have problems in the rust belt.

Ultimately, I think we can win all those states, along with Iowa and Ohio if we run a good race and the FBI doesn't step forward to rig the election again.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:39 PM

12. let's say the FBI intervention. Comey announced that last "opening up of investigation" because NY

office was about to leak/announce it.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:40 PM

13. Agreed. I actually usually do say FBI. That's what it was--the FBI rigged the election. (eom)

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Response to StevieM (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:51 PM

16. Yup. And that British spy said he turned over interesting info to FBI and he never heard back

I read he sent to NY but then went back and couldn't find that quote again.

It is beyond absurdity - all that is coming out now - compared to having a server like her husband had as ex-prez, living in a house protected by the Secret Service, that was never hacked. All that said, I wonder if we had taken a lesson from the way they act now - the constant assertion it is all bullshit - the constant labeling as a partisan exercise would have helped. Do believe there is something to that - being angry, being confident, when people are accusing you of something. It works. Old Rovian ploy - deny strongly - you will always get some of the people who will only hear that and nothing else. Same with coming out first and blaming the other person for your greatest weakness.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:18 PM

32. Speaking of where is Gloria alright?

 

I want trump taken down. She's been awfully quiet.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 02:14 PM

35. Your post has nothing to do with the subject.

What is up with that, yeoman6987?

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Response to StevieM (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:43 PM

15. To offset loses in the rust belt Democrats need to win the Southeast (VA,NC,and FL) plus the

Southwest (AZ,CO,NV,and NM) Democrats will carry all of the states that Clinton carried in 2016 by a double digit margin.
The ticket which could make it happen is a Tom Udall/Roy Cooper ticket.
Both of these candidates need more coverage.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:33 PM

8. The rust belt states could be one by Sherrod Brown-OH and Gary Peters-MI.

Either of them need to be placed on the ticket for either President or Vice President. Peters will be a safe choice because MI will have a Democratic Governor by 2020. Democrats could hold onto Peters US Senate seat after the 2020 elections.
Governor Tom Wolf of PA should get more coverage as a potential 2020 Presidential contender.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:21 PM

4. I too like Governor Jay Inslee of WA for challenging Trump on the Muslim ban.

If Jay Inslee wants to defeat Trump, he needs to pick Sherrod Brown as his VP runningmate.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:57 PM

26. me too :)

...but hes my Gov so of course I like him.. but hes ben kicking butt lately! As has our AG Ferguson...

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:18 PM

2. We'll see but I don't think that would ever get real traction.

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Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:36 PM

10. How the hell do you figure that?

prey tell

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:32 PM

7. Everything I've ever heard from Sherrod Brown

is that he doesn't want to be president. I've heard him say it many times, in a sincere way. I do love the man. I want him where he can do the must good.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:35 PM

9. I'm here to say that is Fact

matters not who is the head of the ticket either. My preference would be Brown/Franken but I'd be happy if it was Franken/Brown, either way that is a dream ticket for sure.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:37 PM

11. hmmmm. love Sherrod - wish Hillary had picked him - bet it would have helped more. Al Franken

though...hmmm. not loving that idea. he is enormously frustrating to listen to, IMHO. Think he may be hyper-defensive. He won't answer a question unless it is worded exactly right.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:41 PM

14. No women or minority on the ticket is a no go

Huge fan of both men but the backbone of the party are women and minorities. They need to be represented on the ticket. It's what's right and there are an array of choices.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:55 PM

17. No thanks.

 

I prefer Elizabeth Warren.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 09:33 PM

18. I prefer Warren/Franken

We need to keep Brown in the Senate. Plus I want to see Cheeto lose to a woman.

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Response to eissa (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 09:57 PM

19. What is your opinion on a Warren/Baldwin ticket.?

Baldwin is the most progressive female US Senator to represent a swing state, Baldwin and Warren's economic populist message could help in the rust belt. Trump loses to two women. DOUBLE trouble. Trump would be forced to make a lot of gaffes.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:22 PM

21. Wouldn't that be awesome?!

I'd love any ticket that included Warren.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:01 PM

20. heh....franken wrote a very funny book, Why Not Me?, in which

 

he won the presidency based on a campaign featuring only one plank: the elimination of all auto teller fees

he wins, only to become insane with power, ending in his self-cloning

the audio version is priceless

http://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/55566/why-not-me-by-al-franken/9780385334549/

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:23 PM

22. Sorry, no more septuagenarians. That includes Warren.

 

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:26 PM

23. I love Sherrod Brown...but if he survives 18...

we could get a GOP Senator here in Ohio in 20 that would be bad ...unless we elect a Dem governor. I think we should not tap a candidate in a state with a GOP governor.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:49 PM

25. IF He Survives '18?

Remember that Brown took Mandel to the woodshed 6 years ago, and Mandel has done absolutely ZILCH to repair his image or to show voters that he's a better candidate now (doing TV commercials with Urban Meyer where you look wooden and frozen in fear ain't gonna do it, Joshy). Add to that the fact that there will be unprecedented anti-Republican sentiment all over the country in 2018 (and the fact that Sherrod Brown is immensely popular here in Ohio), and you're looking at another blowout.

I understand the concern about having a Republican Governor replace him with another horror show like Portman (and let's face it, with the Ohio Democratic Party being basically a dumpster fire right now, that seems likely), but I don't think Sherrod Brown has any interest in being on a Presidential ticket in any capacity.

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Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:00 PM

29. 100 million at least in Koch money coming... in a state that Trump won by double digits...

It will be a tough race...we have to fight...and if Sen Brown wins...he needs to stay as long as there is a GOP governor. We can take nothing for granted.

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Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:02 PM

30. I don't think Sen. Brown has shown interest before but how many

have turned down the VP slot if it is offered?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:20 PM

33. The only trouble would be if john kasich would run and he's thinking about it

 

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:44 PM

24. Two Questions

1. Do you really think Sherrod Brown would agree to being on a Presidential ticket? He is my absolute favorite lawmaker in Washington (not only because he's MY Senator and is from my hometown and my dad knew his mom, but because he's a liberal Democrat who FIGHTS), but I heard a rumor that his wife threatened to divorce him if he ran for President. So that would rule him out for either spot on the ticket. Don't get me wrong, I would gladly break my back trying to get him elected if he ever ran, but I just don't think he will.

2. Can Al Franken really win? I would love it so much if he became President (imagine the speeches he would give!), but with the rampant Antisemitism we're seeing all over the country right now, do you really think it's realistic for a Jew to win? I've always said that Antisemitism was what sunk Al Gore in 2000 (having Lieberman on the ticket was a lead weight around his ankle for MANY reasons, but the antisemitic vote was one big one). I mean, I know we're now a country that will elect celebrities for reasons that have nothing to do with their ability to actually lead this country (not saying Franken isn't capable, but he will be branded "just another Hollywood liberal celebrity" by the RW), but do you really think Al Franken could win? I would back him 100% if I thought his chances were realistic, but right now, after what I've seen lately, I don't know if they are.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:59 PM

27. I'm really getting sick of your 2020 dream ticket posts putting you on ignore

 

What is your game?

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:00 PM

28. How many "2020 dream tickets" have you floated so far? Is this an office pool? Fantasy Team?

Have you had ANYthing to say about next year's chances of overturning the House and getting the opportunity to redistrict more fairly?

What are your thoughts on that, nkpolitics1212?

Sincere apologies in advance if it turns out I've confused you with someone else.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:06 PM

31. Yes Let's put up some new candidates, let republicans shoot them down, and then lets abandon them

as bad candidates who ran bad campaigns, instead of standing up to the Republican Evil Empire and its voter suppression, conspiring with foreign powers, election machine tampering, and fake new propaganda.

Get real. our next candidate is Hillary Clinton, or Al Gore, or John Kerry.

Dream teams are for childhood sports hero worship. Politics and Constitutional government is quite different.

Imagine the people of 1776 getting orgasmic over their Dream Team picks. There would be no nation.

We are in real world life or death, not some baseball game.

I've had enough of so-called progressives-so progressive they think the Republican Party and the Democratic Party for some sort of Establishment and that electing a Trump is better than electing a Hillary Clinton.

The fact is your dream team obsession is destroying millions of lives, including those of mine and my children.









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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:29 PM

34. Yep. A Jewish former SNL comedian

is the ticket to excite rural American voters.

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