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Thu Mar 2, 2017, 07:29 PM

September Russian cyberattack campaign on state electoral systems intensified alarm at Obama W.H


"But what was going on in the meetings was unclear to the officials, and the intercepted communications did little to clarify matters the Russians, it appeared, were arguing about how far to go in interfering in the presidential election. What intensified the alarm at the Obama White House was a campaign of cyberattacks on state electoral systems in September, which led the administration to deliver a public accusation against the Russians in October."

So does anyone really think the Russians didn't go so far as to manipulate the vote count if they attacked state election systems?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html?_r=0

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Reply September Russian cyberattack campaign on state electoral systems intensified alarm at Obama W.H (Original post)
Amaryllis Mar 2017 OP
LisaM Mar 2017 #1
Amaryllis Mar 2017 #3
LisaM Mar 2017 #6
kimbutgar Mar 2017 #2
Amaryllis Mar 2017 #4
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #5
tblue37 Mar 2017 #7
tblue37 Mar 2017 #9
Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #15
Ezior Mar 2017 #8
Amaryllis Mar 2017 #10
mopinko Mar 2017 #11
uponit7771 Mar 2017 #13
mopinko Mar 2017 #14
uponit7771 Mar 2017 #12
Amaryllis Mar 2017 #17
lagomorph777 Mar 2017 #19
uponit7771 Mar 2017 #20
Sherman A1 Mar 2017 #16
lagomorph777 Mar 2017 #18
Amaryllis Mar 2017 #21
lagomorph777 Mar 2017 #22

Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 07:31 PM

1. With that razor thin margin, it wouldn't take much.

Just dropping one out of every 500 votes would make a difference.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 07:32 PM

3. And 30 states using INterstate Crosscheck. They would only have had to change

80,000 votes over three states; MI, WI, PA

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Response to Amaryllis (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 07:39 PM

6. Actually not even that many.

Someone here who's smarter than I am had it figured out. Really, only about 40,000 votes needed to be flipped. The 80,000 was the margin, but you could change fewer than that to move the electoral votes.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 07:34 PM

4. GReat post. I absolutely believe there was manipulation down ballot as well.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 07:39 PM

5. Where is the phrase

cyberattacks on state electoral systems in September


in that link?

I wanna show this elsewhere but dont see that

FOUND IT

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 07:46 PM

7. It is quite far down, some paragraphs beyond the stuff about Sessions' lies. nt

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 07:51 PM

9. Count up 11 paragraphs from the bottom of the article. The info is in the 11th & 10th

paragraphs from the bottom.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:23 PM

15. Thanks, found it. Now, what is meant, EXACTLY by that, do we know?

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 07:49 PM

8. That is SCARY

They actually attempted to hack (or successfully hacked) the election systems. That is unbelievable.

I'm so glad that RW politicians in Germany have been unable to introduce electronic voting machines so far. IMHO we have the best election system. It's all pencil & paper, and anyone is allowed to stay at the polling station during the election, and when they count the votes to make sure everything is handled correctly. Then accumulated vote counts are sent to the election manager, who just adds up all the numbers and publishes the results within a few hours. So if there's at least 1 trusted person at each polling station, who makes sure that everything is handled correctly and the correct numbers for the district show up in the final results, it's almost impossible to "hack" the election.

Basically, only postal votes are susceptible to manipulation in Germany.

Also, early preliminary results are available 1 second after polling stations close because forecasting based on exit polls has been pretty reliable in the past. So there's not really any need for electronic voting machines. I don't understand why some countries trust computers with the most important thing in their democracy. (I have a Masters degree in Computer Science, so I don't ever trust computers.)

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Response to Ezior (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 07:55 PM

10. MSM was reporting in Sept. that Russia hacked into AZ and ILL voter reg databases and

attempted hacks in a number of others. And also reported in MSM was hacking into the Election Assistance Commission databases but I didnt see who did it. I just don't believe with all the hacking going on that they would stop with just hacking into voter reg databases.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:32 PM

11. i dont think russians hacked vote counts, but

the recent stories about the russians whose plane was tracked to campaign stops underscores something i have been saying-
i think the cheeto circus trips to podunk, usa were not in search of votes, but marks and cronies.
i guess i have to get on the tweet machine. i have been wondering this since nov. what was the vote count in towns visited v similar towns not visited. start in those obama flipped counties.
i think they were there passing out bribes, and getting promises, maybe even passing out software.

i think it was hacked, but it was hacked from within. prolly w the help of russian money.

the obama administration was watching for outside interference and would have blown the whistle if they had seen anything. i dont think they could have pulled it off w all those eyes.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:55 PM

13. They don't have to, just hack polling data or registration... they don't have to touch vote counts

... to effectively change the election

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 09:00 PM

14. yeah, but same.

i think all that was under surveillance of the highest order. esp after early hacks were revealed.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 08:54 PM

12. NOTHING TO SEE HERE !!! As multiple LPC members have intimated just cause they hacked the electoral

... boards doesn't mean they change anything or saw anything that helped or that it affected the US elections or any ... shit... I can't even finish this stupid line of thinking

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 02:54 PM

17. As in "This is not the droid you're looking for."

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Response to Amaryllis (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:00 PM

19. Exactly. A an election unexamined is not worth having.

Absence of audits guarantees absence of truth.

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Response to Amaryllis (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:01 PM

20. +1

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:12 PM

16. Thanks for posting

Much appreciated

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 02:58 PM

18. I think it's pretty obvious.

Especially given Trumputin's efforts to prevent any recounts or (heaven forbid) audits of the highly hackable voting and tabulation machines.

You know what IT guys call a machine they can't audit? "Compromised."

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Response to Amaryllis (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:24 AM

22. Maybe we can start to look at this after Nov 2018.

Assuming there is an election then.

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