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Sun Mar 5, 2017, 05:51 PM

Pros and Cons of a Warren-MA/Brown-OH ticket in 2020

Pro
Warren and Brown are both strong progressives and Brown can help Warren win the Rust belt states ie PA,MI,and WI. OH will be a tossup state.
Con
Brown would be 68 in 2020 and 76 in 2028.
The current Governor of OH in 2021 would be a Republican -Mike Dewine. Dewine would then appoint John Kasich to Brown's OH US Senate Seat. Kasich-R would be favored to win in the 2022 Special Election.
Before Brown gets considered as the Democratic nominee for VP or President, We first need to elect a Democrat to the OH Governorship in 2018, Richard Codray- the former OH Attorney General and current head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau-position Warren held before she got elected to the US Senate.
Another person that Warren could select as her VP runningmate is NC Governor Roy Cooper. Cooper would help Warren win FL and NC. GA will be a tossup state. Cooper would have to give up the NC Governorship unless NC Democrats could select Deborah Ross or Anthony Foxx to run for Governor and/or US Senator in 2020.

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Reply Pros and Cons of a Warren-MA/Brown-OH ticket in 2020 (Original post)
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 OP
PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2017 #1
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #9
PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2017 #13
BlueStateLib Mar 2017 #14
dsc Mar 2017 #16
Warpy Mar 2017 #2
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #5
Warpy Mar 2017 #8
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #10
Warpy Mar 2017 #11
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #12
loyalsister Mar 2017 #6
longship Mar 2017 #3
dawg Mar 2017 #4
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #7
brooklynite Mar 2017 #15
dsc Mar 2017 #17

Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 06:06 PM

1. Don't you think it's at least two years too early

to be even thinking about this?

Wouldn't it be better to see what happens this year and next and only then considering who our nominee should be?

And as someone who is in the same age range, I honestly think we should be looking to younger candidates. Yes, Warren and Brown are terrific, too bad they didn't run in 2016, but one other candidate started raising lots of money very early on precisely to discourage any realistic challenge to her. Too bad. I would hate to see something similar play out for 2020.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 07:29 PM

9. The reason Warren and Brown did not run in 2016 is that the establishment coalesced behind Clinton .

Warren and Brown would have split the Progressive grassroots votes with Bernie.
Clinton could have selected Brown as her VP runningmate but OH has a Republican Governor, who could appoint a fellow Republican to replace VP Brown in 2017 and would have the advantage in the 2018 OH US Senate Election.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 09:04 PM

13. Clinton did everything possible to make sure that no one

would challenge her. She got out front with fundraising extremely early. It kept people like Warren and Brown from running, and I happen to think that wasn't a good thing.

More to the point, we don't need 70 year olds as President. And I am a huge fan of both Warren and Brown, as I was of Sanders.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 09:12 PM

14. In Secret Letter, Senate Democratic Women Rally Behind Hillary Clinton

October 30, 2013
All of the female Democratic senators signed a secret letter to Hillary Rodham Clinton early this year encouraging her to run for president in 2016 - a letter that includes the signature of Sen. Elizabeth Warren and other senators who are mentioned as potential candidates, two high-ranking Democratic Senate aides told ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/in-secret-letter-senate-democratic-women-rally-behind-hillary-clinton/


Sen. Elizabeth Warren signature was at the top of letter of signees

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 09:47 PM

16. Brown didn't run because he didn't want to run

and that is probably why Warren didn't either. Warren had to be denied a post she desperately wanted before she decided to run for the Senate and that was in a very small state that was rather easy to campaign in.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 06:38 PM

2. I know progressives hate to think this way, but Warren will be too old

Her support will be valuable but she will not be the candidate. Neither will Sanders. Brown is on the edge of being too old.

Quite honestly, the party needs new blood at the top. What we need to be looking at is a renewed 50 state strategy in 2018 and grooming younger people for governorships and more. The day of the Boomer is over, pretty much, especially since only conservative Boomers were welcome in politics in both parties for far too long and that has hurt us.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 07:11 PM

5. What do you think of a Castro-TX/Kander-MO or a Kander/Castro ticket?

Would you agree that this ticket will turn Texas into a Tossup Democratic state due to Castro's ability to increase the Hispanic electorate and Kander's strong appeal to White working class voters?
If Republicans lose TX, they lose the election.
Winning all of the Clinton2016 states (232ev) plus TX-38 gives Democrats 270ev.
Castro/Kander ticket could turn AZ,FL,GA,and NC into Democratic States along with the Rust belt states in PA,OH,MI,and WI.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 07:26 PM

8. Don't overestimate the "favorite son" effect

Texas is a big state and it's full of religious right crazy people and Hispanics are largely Catholic and vote GOP because abortion.

I think the Castro brothers are good. There are others in local office pipelines right now that could easily start to advance if the DLC didn't control the party coffers and insist on not spending a dime in red areas.

The party is not going to grow and make incursions into red areas until the purse strings are loosened. The DLC model does not work.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 07:39 PM

10. Are you saying Kander-MO is part of the DLC?

Kander campaigned as progressive when he challenged Blunt in the 2016 MO US Senate Race losing by a 3 percent margin.
Hillary Clinton lost TX in 2016 by a 9 percent margin. A huge improvement on Obama's 2012 performance in TX.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 07:45 PM

11. You said that, I didn't

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Response to Warpy (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 07:50 PM

12. Then why did you say the DLC model strategy does not work for the Democrats when I brought up

Castro and Kander as possible Democratic Presidential/Vice Presidential nominee in 2020?

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Response to Warpy (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 07:12 PM

6. We almost have to skip a generation, too

There aren't as many Democratic Gen Xers as I would hope. When our state general assembly started seeing them 15 or so yrs ago, they were a big part of the shift of the majority. Think Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio.... Now comes revenge on my peers!! Millenials are running and winning. They are tougher and more committed than those who grew up in the Reagan years.
The younger Gen Xers most resemble millenials and hopefully there will be one who starts to make waves in the next few yrs.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 06:47 PM

3. The number one Con...

Nobody in their right mind wants perpetual presidential campaigns.

Just saying.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 06:51 PM

4. We need a Democratic Congress.

And a Democratic President with enough working digits to use a pen.

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Response to dawg (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 07:17 PM

7. I agree that the Democrats need to regain Control of the United States House of Representative and

the United States Senate in 2018. We also need the Democrats to retain control of the US House and Senate in 2020.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 09:35 PM

15. Well, there's the fact that Warren bas been clear that she doesn't want to be President.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Sun Mar 5, 2017, 09:54 PM

17. NC elects the governor in presidential years

so Cooper could run for both or run for VP with Stein (who just won for AG) running for governor.

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