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Mon Mar 6, 2017, 08:44 AM

Bannon & Miller have let it slip: it's about population/demographic reshaping, not counterterrorism




In leaked document, the case for Trump’s ‘Muslim ban’ takes another huge hit


Here’s the real reason for the delay:
The Trump administration can’t solve the problem that has always bedeviled this policy, which is that there isn’t any credible national security rationale for it. Unlike on the campaign trail, when you’re governing, you actually have to have justification for what you’re proposing, or you often run into trouble.

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As I have reported, the evidence is mounting that Bannon and Miller view the ban as part of a much broader, long-term demographic-reshaping project. Miller let slip in a recent interview that the ban isn’t just about national security, but also about protecting U.S. workers from foreign competition. And the Los Angeles Times reports that Bannon and Miller have privately argued that the ban is in keeping with the need to combat immigration by people who “will not assimilate”:

Inside the West Wing, the two men have pushed an ominous view of refugee and immigration flows, telling other policymakers that if large numbers of Muslims are allowed to enter the U.S., parts of American cities will begin to replicate marginalized immigrant neighborhoods in France, Germany and Belgium that have been home to plotters of terrorist attacks in recent years, according to a White House aide familiar with the discussions.

Thus, the ban is of a piece with the long-term goals of protecting American workers from economic competition and preventing European-style immigrant communities (which incubate terror plotters) from developing here. Bannon and Miller could argue that these arguments are partly about national security, too. But this is a case that centers on long-term demographics. That does not support the administration’s case for the immediate ban, since DHS has concluded that “extreme vetting” can’t screen out the threat of radicalization later. If anything, those larger motives undermine the case for the ban, by throwing its stated short-term motive into doubt.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/03/03/in-leaked-document-the-case-for-trumps-muslim-ban-takes-another-huge-hit/?utm_term=.2092c3fabeb6

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Reply Bannon & Miller have let it slip: it's about population/demographic reshaping, not counterterrorism (Original post)
kpete Mar 2017 OP
Zoonart Mar 2017 #1
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #2
Zoonart Mar 2017 #3
2naSalit Mar 2017 #15
NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #17
mountain grammy Mar 2017 #18
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #27
DetlefK Mar 2017 #4
atreides1 Mar 2017 #29
klook Mar 2017 #5
Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #6
dalton99a Mar 2017 #9
hatrack Mar 2017 #11
kpete Mar 2017 #19
mountain grammy Mar 2017 #21
whathehell Mar 2017 #24
Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #32
whathehell Mar 2017 #33
Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #31
uponit7771 Mar 2017 #7
OnDoutside Mar 2017 #28
Initech Mar 2017 #8
octoberlib Mar 2017 #10
Mr. Ected Mar 2017 #12
world wide wally Mar 2017 #13
BainsBane Mar 2017 #14
AgadorSparticus Mar 2017 #16
usaf-vet Mar 2017 #30
Loge23 Mar 2017 #20
mountain grammy Mar 2017 #22
ck4829 Mar 2017 #25
whathehell Mar 2017 #34
Lucinda Mar 2017 #23
dlk Mar 2017 #26
Solly Mack Mar 2017 #35
Amaryllis Mar 2017 #36
nilesobek Mar 2017 #37

Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 08:46 AM

1. One problem...

their base approves of this shit.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 08:49 AM

2. Another problem

Another problem is even if all immigration is halted we are on our way to being a majority-minority country.

Maybe Thump, Bannon, and Miller are working on a Final Solution 2.0

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 08:51 AM

3. Sadly, I agree...

they are sick enough to go there.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:27 AM

15. I'm pretty sure that's what they have in mind....nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:34 AM

17. If they make it uncomfortable enough for minorities

maybe some will go back to Mexico, central America, Asia, Africa, etc? While this is just anecdotal, I do know a few highly educated people from China that came here to get another master's degree or doctorate that normally would have stayed in the US, but went back to China because Team Bush had put the kibosh on stem cell research. I can only imagine that will become more common under Trump - if persons from overseas even apply to US colleges anymore for fear of not being able to get into the country.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:35 AM

18. That appears to be where this is heading.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:02 AM

27. California already minority white & doing well; better than Kansas.

It seems to me that the determining factor for success is Democratic / progressive / liberal policies rather than race. Anyway, race is a murky concept at best and one that scientists have abandoned.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 08:51 AM

4. Let's see how much they care about immigration...

...once the promised jobs don't materialize, once the eroding infrastructure stays bad, once doctors keep refusing to move to rural areas, once they lose their health-care, once the anti-swamp President passes a bigly tax-cut for Wall Street.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:27 AM

29. You're talking about his base!

Those people will standby and watch grandma die in excruciating pain and will still remain loyal to Trump and the Republicans! There is nothing that Trumpublicans can do, that will get their Walking Dead followers to turn against them!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 08:54 AM

5. I'm so grateful for people who "will not assimilate."

Without them America would be a quilt where every patch is beige.

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Response to klook (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:03 AM

6. Why would you want to "assimilate" when quintessential American "culture" appears like this

 



Who would willingly embrace a culture of heart disease and illiteracy?

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Response to Jonny Appleseed (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:20 AM

9. Bannon's ideal specimen of the master race.

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Response to Jonny Appleseed (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:42 AM

11. Yes, speaking of "failure to assimilate" . . . .

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Response to Jonny Appleseed (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:36 AM

19. nice post

Thanks,
kp

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Response to Jonny Appleseed (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:37 AM

21. Indeed!

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Response to Jonny Appleseed (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:49 AM

24. Maybe "quintessential American culture" looks like that in your neighborhood,

but not in mine. I extend my condolences, if this is the case, but please don't. broadbrush our entire society in such a negative light.




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Response to whathehell (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:54 AM

32. Excluding African-American culture, this is pretty much our most prevalent culture that is uniquely

 

American. Everything else is a hodgepodge of different cultures mixed together. The 'murca culture is the primarily associated culture with our country to those overseas, a reflection of its overt association with America at large.

Which leads back to my original point that no immigrant in their right mind would want to "assimilate" into said American culture.

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Response to Jonny Appleseed (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:25 PM

33. Sorry, but unthinking nationalism and stupidity are NOT traits limited to America

Maybe if you had traveled outside the country as much as I have, you'd realize that. And no, as I said, American culture may be hillbilly heaven in your area but not in any of the varied neighborhoods on the east and west coasts or the Midwest, I've lived in.

If American culture is an "hodgepodge of other cultures" it just might have something to do with its being a millennium or two YOUNGER than the originating countries of the cultures to which you refer.

That being the case, I'll take it over the monarchies and theocracies of the middle east any day, and I'm quite sure you would too.





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Response to Jonny Appleseed (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:52 AM

31. This is what Trumpers are promoting as "Real Americans!" Welcome to DU



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:05 AM

7. They are text book racist

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:09 AM

28. If only they could read .....

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:18 AM

8. Bannon is arguably the scariest person Trump has hired to date.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:28 AM

10. In a Politico article on Stephen Miller,

Miller's friend said that he used to talk about having nightmares that every state in the union had turned blue due to all the immigrants, who tend to vote Dem. White men overwhelmingly vote Republican. So, part of this is about keeping the Republican Party in power and relevant.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:47 AM

12. To the Deplorables, this isn't a system bug

It's a feature.

(not that they understand a word of it, though. Sounds kind of book-ey and elitist, way beyond their pay grade)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:54 AM

13. I assume it is the same concept for Mexicans

But, when was the last terrorist attack on the US launched by Mexicans?

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:24 AM

14. Absolutely

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:30 AM

16. Yup. We all know it really was about Making America White Again.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:45 AM

30. It is about maintaining a numerical advantage at the poll booths

Look at what they have done over the last 10 years. Voter suppression any way they can. Voter ID. Purging voters off the rolls. Gerrymandering districts to insure republican voting advantages. Flipping votes. And now apparently getting foreign hacking to advantage the republican ticket.

IMO these are a must read. And it explains why republicans are winning elective seats. Efficiency Gap.

Efficiency Gap.
https://thinkprogress.org/the-most-exciting-attack-on-partisan-gerrymandering-in-over-a-decade-68ae8b6b2e5e#.vcc2fblov
SCOTUS
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=91462
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=90844
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=89402 (Wisconsin's SCOTUS case is coming up.)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:37 AM

20. What it is: Ethnic cleansing

Call it what it is. These bastards, Bannon chiefly, should be run out of town on a rail, never to be seen again.
They are as truly anti-American as our worst fears during the Cold War when we used hide under our school desks.
The more this goes on, the less chance I see for a reasonable end to this plague.

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Response to Loge23 (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:40 AM

22. Exactly!

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Response to Loge23 (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:52 AM

25. Indeed

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Response to Loge23 (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:48 PM

34. "Ethnic cleansing", as the word is commonly used, refers to genocide.

This is discrimination, not murder...Let's not make it worse than it is.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:45 AM

23. KNR

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 11:00 AM

26. The R Has Long Stood for Racist

What were seeing is the logical evolution of the Republican Party's racism. Voter suppression was only the beginning. They stopped being the party of Lincoln a very long time ago.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:55 PM

35. K&R

(Duh)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 6, 2017, 03:50 PM

36. I remember before the election hearing a Trump supporter say we need to get back to white

and Christian, the way the country was at the beginning. Apparently never heard of native Americans.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Mar 7, 2017, 01:27 AM

37. I mentioned this reptilian fear

that whites have for the future demographic in another thread about conservative fears. They think that they will be discriminated just as the have done to others.

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