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They talk about healthy people, young people, old people, and people who have health problems. They do not talk about disabled people. Until now elderly and disabled were kind of put together but in other ways separate. I have a horrible feeling the reason they have not talk about the disabled is because we are in for the nastiest surprise.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)But we're in NY so hopefully if the worst happens, the state may help.
And yes, I think a lot of disable people will be out of nursing homes, without home aids.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)As will many small and rural hospitals.
It will be a death sentence for many, many Americans. Equivalent to a death panel.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)they think someone will take control away from the hateful Republicans.
jftr - everyone I have tried to talk to about this since last year voted for Trump as far as I know as well as every other Republican on the ticket.
Currently I have two aunts (both in their 90s) on medicare/medicaid living comfortably in a senior facility. One has no children and the other has two children, one of which is on medicaid himself. All four of them voted for Trump. They are not worried about their future because they are stupid when it comes to public policy and always have been.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)tell by looking at me or talking to me for a short while. Since I do not look it some people tell me I am cheating the system and I need to get my butt to work. The Repukes are probably going to do the same and kick me off of everything I have.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)For several years, I kept trying to work but starting slipping into part time and even then I was ending up in the hospital. Finally my doctor told me to apply for disability or die. I ignored him until one day I told my wife I just couldn't do it anymore and I applied. Three months later I got a letter from the SSA saying I was approved.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)and finally realized ( after my family and friends had been telling me for years ) that I could not handle it. I was already on disability and was trying part time jobs because people made me feel guilty and I wanted to keep putting into the system. I just finally realized I just could not do it anymore.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)I can't write or type because of an auto accident, and I have other injuries. Hard to sit. Driver ran a stop sign. I don't look disabled, but if u are around me much, you will see. I'm much better than I was a few years ago, but I can't write my name. Usually, when I go to the Dr, there is a big fit by intake because I can't fill out the forms. It pisses people off. I guess they think I'm faking it. Once I was at the Social Security office, and I had to write a check to pay for documents. I can squiggle a very big initial, like 2 inches or so, w my left hand as a signature for a check, but someone has to write the check for me. I asked the clerk at SS to please fill it out for me. She said, you are kidding, it isn't my job. An elderly minority gentleman sitting nearby got up and said, I can do that for you. (Some people have had experiences that make them more likely to empathize, and believe.) Most people are nice, and they will be helpful if I have to ask, but some are witches. Seems to me, women may be worse than men. However, it is partly that women are more likely to be in positions when I need help, and I think men are more likely to help women than women are.
I'm afraid too. Most of my relatives are Repubs. Some are good people. Some aren't. They all hate Obamacare.
They don't know why. Part of it is probably bigotry and part not liking poor people. They think everyone on Obamacare is poor and that it is welfare. Actually, most people on Obamacare pay a regular amount for insurance.
Most of the family gets some government benefits and the most conservative ones have government subsidized insurance and retirement. Duh? Never crosses their minds.
I worked an average of 60 hrs a week most of my adult life. I started working when I was 10. Single mom. Put kid thru college and grad school. (I was a Dem and liberal then too. I always have been.) Then, I had an accident, early one Sunday morning on my way to go hiking, out of the blue. My Repub mom was insinuating something about my not working. Someone has to drive me to Texas to visit her. She retired younger than I was before my accident: she retired on my father's father's money.
I responded that I had paid into SS my entire life, and most of the time both parts, employee and employer. It's my money.
Way too much of it goes to health care. I used to have a sizable nest egg, and I traveled a lot. Two houses. Then, I spent about $200k out of pocket for meds and wasn't able to work, which was even worse than the healthcare cost. As soon as Obamacare was available, that helped a lot, but I had already gone through my nest egg, with living expenses and medical.
It is not an exceptional story. There are millions of us.
I had clients with cancer who had previously been middle class. It wiped them out, and they died bankrupt and in poverty. Healthcare is at the center of what it takes to remain in a middle class lifestyle. The Repubs with their juicy government benefits want to starve out the rest of society, the poor, teachers, disabled, middle class, those with traumatic illnesses, etc. Unfortunately, they seem to be winning, for now. For many, they will be dead or homeless before things change again.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)pretty good even with your disabilities. I myself was on a moped and got hit by a station wagon and being young and stupid I did not have my helmet on so it increased my learning disability that I was born with because of fetal alcohol syndrome. I got new knees but I still can not do what most people can do because my body just does not handle doing it for long. I have issues with handling stress because of the hit on my head. I can take care of myself and drive and am able to live on my own but I just can not handle work. Yes people are stupid when it comes to judging. For me, the people who put me down are both men and women. Though once in a while I say to them "you get your head bashed into a car with no helmet and fly 30 feet up then 30 feet over and see if you do not become disabled" They tend to gasp in horror as I walk away. They were probably repukes.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)I Relate to what you ae saying. That's probably a good response. Wow, I'm sorry it happened so young.
I dont tell many people, unless it is forced, like writing checks or forms. If people don't believe me or look askance, I tend to ignore them...forever. It has not been good for my relationships, of any kind.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Some places do have cash registers that print everything out for you. I know this because my blind friend has them do it. I know for sure that Sears does it. But being with my blind friend I understand the check thing. When you are blind people actually run away and fight over who has to help the blind person or they try to talk to me. I have learned when I go places with her to turn around and ignore them or walk away so they will talk to her. She is a very capable person and raise 3 children on her own ( husband died ) and she is smarter than most people.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)They trwat her like she is invisible
Doreen
(11,686 posts)I have no clue out of the 20 things that I just read off what she wants. Sometimes they have braille menus and they still ask me. I tell them I can't read braille so ask her. You know being disabled has its advantages, it helps weed out the stupid people faster.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)Do not give them any credit.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,013 posts)I'M NOT DEAF!" Though most times they are too polite, or weary, to actually have to say that out loud.
Your post(s) here are full of wisdom and courage.
Love this: "being disabled has its advantages, it helps weed out the stupid people faster." SO true, so true.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)What makes it even sadder is that blind people actually hear better than most people. You can not get away with anything with my blind friend.
Mountain Mule
(1,002 posts)Once upon a time I was a professional with a job I loved and pay and benefits that put me firmly in the middle class. Then I came down with an illness that the doctors were unable to diagnose. As I grew sicker and sicker, I finally could no longer work and ran thru all my savings. Once my COBRA expired that was the final financial blow and I soon lost everything. It was sheer accident that I finally found out what was going on. My hot water heater was giving off the smell of gas, so I called public utilities. They tested the air in my home and all the alarm bells went off! Not only was the hot water heater malfunctioning, but the 50 year-old furnace in my house was also burning incorrectly and giving off high levels of carbon monoxide. The CO detector that I had thought was working was actually broken, so I had no way of knowing what was happening since you can't smell CO the way you can natural gas. This had been going on for at least two years and had become so bad the utilities worker told me that he was surprised I hadn't died in my sleep. Sometimes I wish I would have. By the end I had sustained permanent brain damage from lack of oxygen in my blood supply. My eyes and my heart were impacted as well. Thanks to the resulting loss of short term memory and executive function, I can no longer work. I tried and tried, but it now takes me forever to do the simplest thing and my employers had to let me go because I was too "slow." I'm just one of many Americans with an "invisible" disability. If you don't know me very well I seem fine when I'm anything but. It took me 5 years to be awarded SSDI because my damaged brain just couldn't cope with all that paperwork.
Now I depend on medicaid, a tiny SSDI check, and food stamps (SNAP) plus a housing voucher. Take any of those things away and my entire life falls apart. I've existed in a constant state of low level fear since that SOB and his death-dealing republican pals were elected. I am afraid that many disabled Americans will die early deaths thanks to them and their cruel policies. When I express my concerns to my roommate, he just blows me off and tells me I'm overly fond of "apocalyptic thinking." Yeah, right. What I'm doing is following the news about 45's plan to get rid of the social safety net, so he can build an even bigger army and enrich himself and his pals at the expense of the American people starting with the poor and disabled. I try not to give into my fears, but it can be very hard. God bless and good luck to us all. We're going to need it.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)your story. Having a COBRA, having it expire, all things that when you have them, seem unimaginable. I had a case once involving carbon monoxide poisoning. So many people go through the dr to dr and not getting a diagnosis. Very frustrating even if you can afford it.
Yes, there are so many of us. On the edge, and if a piece of the puzzle is missing, it won't work. I think it is going to happen to so many. The Dems have fought hard for those benefits.
I was the same with not having the capacity for applying for disability. I finally got an appointment with Social Security and they did the initial paperwork. Then, it went pretty fast, 6 months or less. My doctors sent in the documents, but SS kept losing them. Doctors do not like to do paper work, but they finally did. I had to hire someone to copy them and resend them several times. A friend came from out of state and helped me too with some of it. I had an ABA policy, but it only lasted a few years, but they sort of piggy backed it on SS. It was all overwhelming. The ABA wanted to know why it took me so long to apply, and I said, because I was planning on getting well and going back to work, which was true, but it was also overwhelming. I kept paying my office overhead for over a year, because I thought I would get well and return to work. Of course, that depleted my resources faster. Plus, I was in so much pain that I couldn't think, and I couldn't write. SS sent me to a SS dr for an independent evaluation, plus, he reviewed the other records, which were hundreds of pages. Then, that was it, and I was approved about 6 weeks later. Most people, 95pc are denied and appeal. I was never denied. It sounds like you were the same.
Yes
Mountain Mule
(1,002 posts)This country is barbaric. There's no other word. I eventually ended up homeless after I was denied SSDI the first time around. I ended up camped out up in the mountains about 30 miles from the nearest small town. I knew that I'd never make it thru the winter, but the wait to go before an appeals judge was two years. I can remember standing at a pay phone in that little town and calling up the legal office for SSI/SSDI back in the big city which just so happened to be my home town and asking that my case be expedited. When I finally got through I told the low level clerk who answered, "I want to talk to one of your bosses who is having a 3 cocktail lunch at McKenna's (a ritzy eatery across the street from their offices) while you field the calls and screams from the dying." That worked. She put me in contact with the SS appeal's judge's personal secretary, and I had my hearing the very next month and my claim was approved. This is what the wealthiest country in the world reduces its disabled citizens to. And now Ryan and the Idiot are going to make it worse - far worse.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)I did that once. Different story. We all may be facing that. Whenever I see the homeless, forever, i think, but for the grace of god go I.
Thanks for your story
OMG !
dubyadiprecession
(5,706 posts)jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)that's what we said in Wisconsin...here we are 7 years later...a blueprint for the rest of the country.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)relatives are waking up to what their SCROTUS is all about. Now with many dependent on ACA,they will hit the panic button and of course blame Obama.
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)You see, the plan is to delay the pain until AFTER the midterm. We need SUSTAINED OUTRAGE AND RESISTANCE. This needs to be front and center in the news now and going forward.
Sigh...too often I see Democrats roll over after losing a battle. Battle over...and voters forget.
But this is a WAR. And we damned well better see to it that the heat stays on and that there is no opportunity for voters to forget that the GOP is shafting 99% of us.
Of course, some are irredeemable. There are a lot of deplorably thick numbskulls out there whose minds are captive of the anti-state media propaganda machine. But there is a slice in the middle that is still amenable to truth and reason.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)I've felt that since long before the election.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)They will be toasting themselves.
GP6971
(31,141 posts)is well founded.
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)bdamomma
(63,837 posts)"why not give him a chance?" that is the same response t rump supporters said about 45.
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)Of course GWB left office at around 26% approval, so there's no shortage of idjits out there.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)I think they are willing to do that in some cases, but it is a moot point.
Yeah, they think about the disabled, just like the Nazis.
I feel it. They already hate me for being Dem, and most don't know about the Disability.
jeanmarc
(1,685 posts)They don't have the money for this.
It's always tax credits with Rethugs. And they have no idea why that doesn't work.
Or worse, they just don't care.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)is useless.
they had their way, it would be "all aboard" (as in train cars) with anyone disabled or not like them.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)Health organizations would help organize. The hospitals are the first to come out against it.
Johnny2X2X
(19,043 posts)One of my best buddies is a disabled vet who lives in rural Northern Michigan. They've reduced his food, they've made it harder for find a hospital. Now he just got a letter saying his disability payments are under review and he'll have to prove he's disabled again by jumping through several hoops. Told me if they reduce his benefits even a little bit more he won't be able to survive. Says he'll probably just kill him self if they take his way of staying alive.
If you haven't been paying attention, they've been talking about going after disability payments for years.
I vote Dem but it's just the lesser of 2 evils. I hope I see the day when the less fortunate stop getting screwed. This country is too rich for this nonsense to exist.
Rhiannon12866
(205,237 posts)It sends me over the edge that it takes charitable organizations to help support our disabled veterans.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)The Repubs have to get their rocks off by robbing people of their dignity before they will give them "charity," which is how the Repubs see it.
Rhiannon12866
(205,237 posts)So many of our First Responders have already died from illnesses due to their exposure at Ground Zero. Remember Michael Moore's 2007 trip to Cuba with these folks to try to get them better medical care? The whole system is inexcusably messed up if we refuse to care for those who put their lives on the line for us. I'm proud of my senator (who used to be my congresswoman), Kirsten Gillibrand, who has been standing up and speaking out for our First Responders - and she's a strong voice on the Armed Services Committee, too - but it's an uphill battle and only getting worse. It shouldn't be like this in the wealthiest country in the world.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Then, we are becoming less civilized all of the time.
Yeah, your Sen is one of the good ones.
If we could just get rid of Turtleman!
Rhiannon12866
(205,237 posts)I think we all did. I mean, the choices were never more stark. And if we took back the Senate, that would have meant that my other senator, Chuck Schumer, would have been majority leader. I kept pointing that out to people. Yes, he's also standing up and speaking out - and he works well with Kirsten. But if only he had replaced McConnell. Turtleman not only refuses to advocate for the people he represents, but he obstructed any progress at all, admitted that his only objective was to make President Obama a one term president. We should have been able to accomplish so much more in eight years...
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)have done if he hadn't been obstructed every step of the way...more than anyone in history. They did a pretty good number on Bill Clinton too. As Bill said, when comparing them, at least they didn't accuse Obama of murder. That's probably changed now, with the RW nuts.
I'm bitter that they have undone are they are undoing everything Obama fought for...not far left stuff, just rationale policies. Now, we have someone who was Ritchie Rich, and he is still that little boy, who is taking us back half a century, while the world races forward at an incredibly faster pace. Almost out entire government is complicit.
I was very scared, anxious, about the election. I Did all I could and more than I should have, probably. I thought we would pull it off! then, Comey, was the final straw.
I'll never forgive him. People say he was honorable, and felt he had to do it. It was a big CYA. Perhaps, it was for his legacy. Anyway, he sacrificed our country for his legacy, is the best anyone can say about him. We have vets giving their lives for our country, and Comey worried about CYA.
To think, we were so very close...if Hillary could have built on Obama's policies...I shouldn't go there. Too painful.
Rhiannon12866
(205,237 posts)Someone reminded me of that the other day and it's been sticking in my mind. And she certainly would have continued - and expanded - Obama's policies. And, given Obama's high approval ratings, it makes it even tougher for me to understand. Instead, people voted for an offensive bully blowhard who has no knowledge of history, no experience in government, and whose well known life story contains some obvious and serious lapses in judgment. I realize it wasn't a majority - which makes it even tougher to take - but enough that he lucked into the office. And even without a mandate, he refuses to listen or learn.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)The contrast between the two candidates are stunning, as are the contrast between the two presidents.
Rhiannon12866
(205,237 posts)Each gaffe and offense is worse than the other. I can't stand Mike Pence, he's an extremist of the worst kind, but at least he wouldn't set off a nuke because he lost his temper over Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,237 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,237 posts)GWC58
(2,678 posts)the Rethugs would be drafting Articles for Impeachment before the Inauguration. The Rethugs in Congress are a useless lot!
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:01 PM - Edit history (1)
aggressive parasites.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)the disabled's way of opting out.
Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)A lot of us are really in danger and they are so nonchalant about it . But also I'm mad as hell.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,013 posts)This is yet another thing Trump voters, third party voters, or non voters, will have on their conscience...if they have one.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/disability-rights-donald-trump_us_582487fae4b0e80b02cefa2f
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)They don't read Huff Post, NYT, WaPo. Their sources of fact free info are More Rush, Foxaganda (which is looking pretty moderate these days compared to the crapola they read). Also, they either don't care or they are glad.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,013 posts)the disability (human) rights movement: 'We can't have programs, or an environment, that is beneficial to "you people" because... it will cost too much and hurt business, or... blah blah blah'
Your own story you shared is very powerful and humbling with the fortitude you have shown in the face of adversity. Yours is the courage of millions of citizens whose struggles are visible, or, just as often, invisible.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I've not been here much lately, so perhaps I missed it.