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HAB911

(8,867 posts)
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:44 AM Mar 2017

Fallon to Deliver More Political Tonight Show to Win Back Ratings Crown From Colbert

Fallon to Deliver ‘More Political’ ‘Tonight Show’ to Win Back Ratings Crown From Colbert

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Deadline Hollywood has the numbers—it reports that Colbert’s fifth week at the top saw his Late Show on CBS clock 3 million viewers, compared with Fallon’s 2.92 million on NBC, although Fallon can take considerable consolation in the fact that he continues to win most eyeballs in the key 18-49 age bracket.

However Page Six’s source said: “[Fallon] is feeling the pressure. I mean, Stephen Colbert is now beating him in a big way and he has to change his format to keep up because he’s losing viewers.”

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Page Six adds that his off-trend numbers are infuriating Fallon, “He freaks out over this. He has to be on top,” the source said.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/08/jimmy-fallon-to-deliver-more-political-tonight-show-to-win-back-ratings-crown-from-colbert.html

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Fallon to Deliver More Political Tonight Show to Win Back Ratings Crown From Colbert (Original Post) HAB911 Mar 2017 OP
Given the same script tazkcmo Mar 2017 #1
No fire in the belly HAB911 Mar 2017 #3
Or brain activity. tazkcmo Mar 2017 #7
+1 Vinnie From Indy Mar 2017 #11
Fallon does do some things way better than Colbert Johonny Mar 2017 #17
His skits can be funny at times but his interviews are terrible. Can he fake laugh any harder? NWCorona Mar 2017 #18
Fallon is phoney bathroommonkey76 Mar 2017 #2
Watched his show once... lame54 Mar 2017 #21
I usually like Fallon, but that obsession with ratings sounds like a mini-Trump. tanyev Mar 2017 #4
You read my mind! bullwinkle428 Mar 2017 #6
Colbert is awesome, Fallon isn't. Initech Mar 2017 #5
Colbert is in a different league. Fallon is a mediocre hack. dalton99a Mar 2017 #8
Fallon has no fire in the belly like Colbert demosincebirth Mar 2017 #32
I haven't watched Fallon in quite a while, but... Chiyo-chichi Mar 2017 #9
Wait, Jimmy Fallon has an 'I need to be on top' complex!? SticksnStones Mar 2017 #10
Colbert and his writers are daring. Orsino Mar 2017 #12
That normalizing little tousling of the hair Blecht Mar 2017 #13
ditto! HAB911 Mar 2017 #15
Yes, that was pretty despicable. Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #34
Fallon intro vs. Colbert intro and other shows... Ezior Mar 2017 #14
Great critique. Colbert does have the theatrical, story-telling skills... KittyWampus Mar 2017 #20
They run different shows for different audiences, but Colbert is better on the internet. Renew Deal Mar 2017 #16
Colbert did "Whose Line Is It Anyway" and did it well. He's the real deal. Quick on his feet KittyWampus Mar 2017 #19
I lost all interest in him when he mussed Trumplethinskin's hair. JenniferJuniper Mar 2017 #22
What Jimmy Fallon Can Learn From Stephen Colbert HAB911 Mar 2017 #23
There are two segments I like on Fallon: phylny Mar 2017 #24
Fallon seems to always scream talk MagickMuffin Mar 2017 #25
Wow. 3.0 million or 2.9 million is a horrible number either way yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #26
Are you a ratings expert, yeoman6987? Don't think so. Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #33
even though I dislike Fallon's show DonCoquixote Mar 2017 #27
Yeah, he could have Kim Jong Un and Putin on, tavernier Mar 2017 #28
I'm in Colbert's camp. Aristus Mar 2017 #29
So, if Fallon does political stuff, it's only to boost his sagging ratings. VOX Mar 2017 #30
I have really enjoyed Colbert's work on the Late Show Gothmog Mar 2017 #31

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
1. Given the same script
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:48 AM
Mar 2017

same setting, same audience, Fallon will NEVER top Colbert again. He simply doesn't have the talent of Colbert by a large margin.

Johonny

(20,818 posts)
17. Fallon does do some things way better than Colbert
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:53 AM
Mar 2017

He is just facing a time where the president is crazy, the top news story everyday, and his rival is a political satirist.

If he were smart he'd ride out the storm because political humor isn't Fallon's thing and basically there are 4-5 personalities on TV way, way better than he'll ever be on it.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
18. His skits can be funny at times but his interviews are terrible. Can he fake laugh any harder?
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:58 AM
Mar 2017

He's also a poor sport.

 

bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
2. Fallon is phoney
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:48 AM
Mar 2017

I've never liked Lorne Michaels' playtime monkey-- He is the worst talk show host I have ever watched.

lame54

(35,262 posts)
21. Watched his show once...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:07 PM
Mar 2017

Liked some clips from time to time

Thought I'd watch the whole show

It was bad
Unfunny monologue
No rapport with the band
Bad interviewer

Very boring show

Colbert is much better


tanyev

(42,516 posts)
4. I usually like Fallon, but that obsession with ratings sounds like a mini-Trump.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:49 AM
Mar 2017

Maybe that's why they got on so well.

Initech

(100,038 posts)
5. Colbert is awesome, Fallon isn't.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 10:52 AM
Mar 2017

And I think John Batiste loves being Colbert's band leader. I love The Roots, but I don't think Questlove and Fallon have the same banter as Colbert and Batiste do. I think this will backfire on them.

Chiyo-chichi

(3,574 posts)
9. I haven't watched Fallon in quite a while, but...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:06 AM
Mar 2017

when he has done political material in the past, it has been WEAK.

He'd have to get some new writers. Even so, political material is not his forte.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
12. Colbert and his writers are daring.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:12 AM
Mar 2017

Fallon has some amazing talent, but it is narrow, and his show plays it safe.

Colbert and Dinello are Second City trained, and have successfully transplanted some of the old Report satire into network late-night. The Trump Era has lit a fire under them.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
13. That normalizing little tousling of the hair
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:15 AM
Mar 2017

My message to Fallon:

Remember reaching over and giving the orange buffoon the chance to pretend he had a sense of humor?

Do you think we're gonna forget that, little fuckface Fallon?

You will never come back from that. You deserve to follow Dennis Miller's downward career spiral.

Kimchijeon

(1,606 posts)
34. Yes, that was pretty despicable.
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 01:49 PM
Mar 2017

I just don't see him doing anything "great" after that fuckup. Hard to lend him any credibility after that sickening display, really.

Ezior

(505 posts)
14. Fallon intro vs. Colbert intro and other shows...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:15 AM
Mar 2017

Just watch a Fallon intro monologue. It's similar to one of Trump's "presidential speeches", just a bunch of lame jokes read from a teleprompter with lots of clapping in-between.

Colbert, on the other hand, has much more elaborate jokes and is a very talented humorist. His intro monologues always have some deeper meaning, he has a point, it's like story-telling.

I also like Seth Meyers and John Oliver because they dig a littler deeper into issues, especially John Oliver. Trevor Noah is interesting at times because of his cultural background and the new perspectives he can offer because of it. He's a very talented story-teller, I love his book. Like Bill Maher, the humor isn't the best. I like Bill Maher because he has a very strong opinion on many topics and is not afraid to tell us, even in cases where most of us disagree.

Fallon? He's good with fun things, celebrities, laughing, promoting the latest song or movie, discussing some Hollywood scandal... Politics? Not so much.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
20. Great critique. Colbert does have the theatrical, story-telling skills...
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:02 PM
Mar 2017

and he knows how to occupy the stage.

Renew Deal

(81,846 posts)
16. They run different shows for different audiences, but Colbert is better on the internet.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 11:20 AM
Mar 2017

Also, is Colbert bringing in people that weren't watching before? They both should keep doing what they're doing. Colbert is credible in this space. Not so sure about Fallon.

I love that Fallon is infuriated. Those guys all pretend to not care, but they do.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
19. Colbert did "Whose Line Is It Anyway" and did it well. He's the real deal. Quick on his feet
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 12:00 PM
Mar 2017

and he knows how to create characters and chew the scenery to great effect.

HAB911

(8,867 posts)
23. What Jimmy Fallon Can Learn From Stephen Colbert
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 09:39 AM
Mar 2017

On Tuesday night, Page Six reported that Jimmy Fallon plans to make The Tonight Show more political in an effort to gain back viewers he’s lost to Stephen Colbert’s Late Show since Donald Trump was elected president four months ago.

But if Fallon and his team have learned anything from watching Colbert’s rocky first year on the job, they would know that this is exactly the wrong approach to their show’s ratings predicament.

According to one of Page Six’s anonymous sources, Fallon is “feeling the pressure” to take on Trump in a bigger way now that Colbert is routinely beating him in the nightly ratings by hammering the president on a nightly basis.

For the first time since 2010, CBS’s Late Show won the February sweep period, averaging 3.02 million viewers compared to 2.87 million for Fallon’s Tonight Show on NBC. Those numbers represent a marked change from last season when Fallon was averaging 3.6 million and Colbert was a distant second with 2.75 million. (Jimmy Kimmel, meanwhile, seems permanently stuck in third place.)


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/08/what-jimmy-fallon-can-learn-from-stephen-colbert.html

phylny

(8,368 posts)
24. There are two segments I like on Fallon:
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 11:08 AM
Mar 2017

Hashtag on Thursday nights and Thank You Notes on Friday nights.

Some of the games he plays with guests are fun to watch.

Other than that, Colbert is the king.

MagickMuffin

(15,933 posts)
25. Fallon seems to always scream talk
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 12:00 PM
Mar 2017

I can't understand what he is even saying. Fallon the SCREAM TALKER!!!

Plus he is NOT funny


 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
26. Wow. 3.0 million or 2.9 million is a horrible number either way
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 12:08 PM
Mar 2017

Neither gets 1 percent of the population. And it's true 18-49 numbers are the only thing that counts to advertisers.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
27. even though I dislike Fallon's show
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 12:13 PM
Mar 2017

if it is proven that attacking Trump = Ratings, that means more will imitate. The more sharks that smell blood in the water, the better the chance for the feeding frenzy needed to pick our enemy to the bone.

tavernier

(12,369 posts)
28. Yeah, he could have Kim Jong Un and Putin on,
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 12:19 PM
Mar 2017

and do hair segments with them. Political, yet with a touch of warmth.

Aristus

(66,288 posts)
29. I'm in Colbert's camp.
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 12:23 PM
Mar 2017

Anyone who earns a surprise on-camera kiss from Helen Mirren has my undying respect...

VOX

(22,976 posts)
30. So, if Fallon does political stuff, it's only to boost his sagging ratings.
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 12:23 PM
Mar 2017

It's certainly not coming from his heart. Sorry Jimmy, shit happens.

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