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There has been much discussion of late as to who voted for Trump and why, and what the attitude of Democrats should or shouldnt be with respect to those who did.
Many have expressed anger, frustration, even hatred towards Trump supporters. Others have expressed varying degrees of sympathy for those who they feel were misled into supporting such an odious candidate, those who have been systematically brainwashed by FOX-News and RW radio, and/or those who simply vote Republican as a matter of course, without giving any thought to who it is they are supporting.
Some have encouraged reaching out to those who, despite their initial support of Trump, will inevitably become victims of his policies. Others have stated without hesitation that such reaching-out is a dead end, and any efforts in that regard are simply an exercise in futility.
For what its worth, heres my two cents.
From the outset of Trumps campaign, he presented himself as a boorish bully, a self-agrandizing braggart devoid of what is generally referred to as any socially redeeming value. His lack of knowledge about how our government operates and the responsibilities of a POTUS were fully on display. Not once did he demonstrate a scintilla of intelligence in fact, quite the opposite; his every statements was, without exception, an incoherent tirade of gibberish demonstrative of someone incapable of stringing two sentences together that made any sense whatsoever.
So you have to ask yourself: What kind of person thinks the country should be led by a man who repeatedly demonstrates his lack of intellect? What kind of person thinks that a man who doesnt know anything about even the bare basics of running a nation is somehow well-suited to doing so?
Throughout his campaign, Trump never shied away from lying not exaggerating, not fudging the numbers, not stretching the truth, but out-and-out lying about things that were easily debunked.
So you have to ask yourself: What kind of person wants a president who cant be trusted to tell the truth, even about things that are so readily disproven?
Trumps temper, and his endless need to lash-out at anyone who he perceived as having crossed him, became the stuff of legend long before Election Day. His tweets were rife with vitriol, paranoia, and a total lack of self-control.
So you have to ask yourself: What kind of person thinks that someone who cant control his own temper a temper which can be triggered by any perceived slight, any unflattering word, any untoward remark should be put in a position where he can distance us from our allies, spark an international incident fraught with dire consequences, or even start a nuclear war?
The list goes on and so do the questions: What kind of person thinks that a president, who represents us on the world stage, should be someone who openly mocks the disabled, brags about grabbing pussies, disrespects minorities, disparages immigrants, and promotes the idea that people of certain religious beliefs are a threat to our nations safety and well-being?
What kind of person who had access to the information about Trumps scams like refusing to pay his debts to hard-working Americans, collecting money for his charitable foundation which he then took for his personal use, scamming people through his bogus university decided he was trustworthy enough to hold the highest position in the country?
The answer may seem simplistic, but it is, IMHO, the only answer that makes sense.
The kind of person who voted for Trump is either a fellow bigot/racist/misogynist, a person who doesnt give a fuck what havoc is wreaked on the nation and the world as long as those damned libruls dont have a say, a person who believes that as long as the people they despise are persecuted, they dont care if everyone suffers along with them, a person who is as mentally unhinged as the delusional idiot they voted for, a person whose hatred is so all-consuming, they cant see anything beyond it and/or a person who is just too god-damned stupid to have noticed all of the above.
There is always the chance that those who were misled, those who put their faith in the Limbaughs and the Breitbarts, those who are now about to suffer the consequences of their own actions, will regret their choice the minute it hits home in other words, the minute they realize that the suffering they wished on others is about to befall themselves.
But the fact remains that they voted to put a known bigot, racist, misogynistic, lying incompetent in the Oval Office and whatever excuses they offer after-the-fact, one is left to wonder whether their regret stems from an honest reassessment of their actions, or merely a too-little-too-late mea culpa in light of having been caught in the trap they so gleefully set for others.
In view of this so-called presidents actions, now that he is firmly ensconced in the office so many happily elevated him to, I am as skeptical of Johnny-come-lately penitents as I am of criminals who only regret their crimes when theyve been caught red-handed, and have no defense to offer other than having fallen in with a bad crowd that they foolishly trusted to their own detriment.
For me, the jury is still out and will remain out for a very long time to come.

pbmus
(12,444 posts)

caroldansen
(725 posts)they'll be hurt much and those I spoke with don't seem to care that people and children will get hurt or even die. The ones I spoke with have no heart or soul!
lark
(24,513 posts)She's not a racist or hater, but her dad was a Repug Admiral and she's been a Repug all her life. She said Hillary was worse than drumpf so she voted for the criminal. She knew he was bad, but stupidly thought Hillary is worse. She doesn't care that he's destroying healthcare since it won't affect her or her rich family and only listens to Faux so doesn't believe he's a Pootie puppet either. She is blinded by party prejudice and thinks everyone is just over-reacting and we'll all be fine just because she's rich enough that he won't hurt her. Her husband is near retiring, so she doesn't care that drumpf will destroy the VA too. I nearly got fired when a peer and I tried to talk to her about this before the election, so I can't say anything. She is also what's wrong with America, people being so blilnded by rw lies that they don't even know the truth. Maybe it will hit her when she has to pay all her children's medical expenses at full price because they are 28 & 30 and have ACA coverage? Don't know if that will be enough. It's also part of the reason I'm retiring this year instead of next when I reach 66. I'd rather get $122 less per month for life than have to support this rw idiot any longer than I absolutely have to.
CaliforniaPeggy
(152,892 posts)Well done, my dear Nance!
Very well done.
Cha
(306,979 posts)way I feel about trump voters.
Not wasting my time on idiots.. there are too many immediate crises to fight.. like Billions of HUD money getting reallocated to the MC, ACA, Muslim Bans, EPA, Education.. the whole Russian take over of our Country via the treasonous trump and stooges.
Terry_M
(770 posts)63 million people voted for him aren't all the exact same person, and are different individuals and voted for him for different reasons.
Painting them all with one brush.
Yelling at them.
Ignoring them.
Will not help us recover.
It will not help us get more votes in congressional races in 2018.
Find some common ground. However elusive it is - there has to be some common ground between you and at least some of those 63 million people. Draw out that common ground, expand on it. Show them where we agree. Show them where we can do better for them than the current government.
RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)There is absolutely no common ground between me and Trump supporters. Poll after poll showed that the vast majority of Trump voters overwhelmingly went for him because they were anti-immigration and anti-abortion.
We don't need to reach out to these scumbags to win elections, we need to get the same young voters that went out in record numbers for Obama in 2008 back.
And we can do that, we have to go further left. There's a reason young voters overwhelmingly went for a 75 year old senator from Vermont. It wasn't because of his looks.
sprinkleeninow
(20,667 posts)Plus those of 'particular' traditions of 'faith' getting preached at, viewing 'certain' so-called 'christian' televsion.
They are in 'our' midst. I come this short of engaging them. Some are acquaintances and have become a tad 'silent' lately.
"Made their beds..."
They're all over the place. A couple in our church community which I guess is a bit surprising given our tradition of Faith. 'They' just don't get that vocal.
One can be a 'Christian' and be of Democratic persuasion.
Someone I know remarked that maybe Trumputin will get saved. I guess being around the model christians like pence. What, he doesn't have the appearance of salvation to this 'christian' who spoke this observation???? I did remark re: his crotch grabbing and she replied it was just locker room talk. See what I mean.
Misled, brainwashed, fed a steady diet of deception.
I have silent no-pity. If their eyes open and they want to engage, then I will.
What's that saying about deafening silence?
I feel ill writing this. This whole sick thing is not part of my vocabulary.
BTW, most excellent words, Nance, always.
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)... WE Democrats have pointed out what we thought was common ground all along.
WE represent affordable healthcare for all they voted for the man who promised to overturn it, and leave the sick to fend for themselves as they die.
WE are the party of responsible education they voted for the party that wants the Bible to be taught in place of scientific fact.
WE fought for a raise in the minimum wage they voted for the party that thinks tax-cuts for the wealthy are more important.
WE believe the country is strengthened by diversity they voted for the idea that only white Christians are acceptable as citizens.
WE stand up for the rights of women and their recognition as equal to men they voted for a man who thinks women are pussies to be grabbed or to be judged only on their sexual attractiveness, and should have no rights over their own bodies.
WE believe that everyone should be judged on the basis of who they are they elected a man who judges people on the basis of their religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and/or race.
WE want our water to be potable and our environment to be protected they voted for a man who thinks corporate profits should supersede any concerns about people being poisoned by the water they drink, or the idea of leaving a habitable country to our children.
WE offered a candidate with intelligence and experience, who is respected the world over they preferred a bloviating liar who has made us the laughingstock of the planet.
WE believe in the sanctity of our democracy and the sanctity of every citizens right to vote they voted for a party that has suppressed the votes of every demographic that opposes their agenda.
WE support social programs that feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, and care for the sick they voted for the party that hypocritically hold themselves out as Christians while ignoring the principles that Christ himself admonished his followers to support as part of their faith.
WE believe in patriotism and love of our country they voted for a man whose devotion to our sworn enemy, Putin, is as evident as it is undeniable.
WE stand for truth and justice they voted for a man who has been caught lying repeatedly, and who has ignored the law at every turn.
So tell me again what common ground there is between us and them. WE will never agree with those who are too stupid to recognize that theyve been had by a party who doesnt give a shit about their lives, and a con-artist who has made his fortune preying on suckers who are dumb enough to buy his bullshit.
Common ground yeah, thats gonna happen. Keep dreamin.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)
COLGATE4
(14,855 posts)brer cat
(26,750 posts)I know many of them up close and personal, and we share zero common ground. I'm not going to waste my time looking for God's little acre because I already know what is there.
volstork
(5,604 posts)well said!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,390 posts)This should be the response back to every Trump supporter right now. (only exchange "they" for "you"
They are all still Deplorables to me until some of them prove otherwise.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)told it was racism by a young Hispanic citizen. She said all her family members voted for Trump because he would get rid of all those people taking their jobs by working cheaper. They don't make much money themselves and actually, they are of a low character but they are legal.
So, how do we keep from losing anymore of the the Hispanic vote?
lpbk2713
(43,203 posts)With my foot up their ass.
Their goal is to destroy this country.
RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)When I see republicans openly saying in Public they can't wait for genocide of liberals, when I see the rise in racist hate crimes, I don't see misunderstood people. I understand them very well, their vote for trump was a personal affront to our very personhood. I do not want peace with them, I will not pity them when they die from Trumpcare. We tried to help them and they spat in our faces. If they die, they die, and their votes will no longer hold our country in the depths of the gutter.
volstork
(5,604 posts)
Tom the Mechanic
(68 posts)Reminds me of a quote from a Jew in Germany; "When I heard them openly singing for Jewish blood on the street corner, and no one said a thing, I knew..."
The song he referred to was When Jewish blood squirts from the knife, things will go twice as well.
What followed of course was Kristallnacht.
The far right isn't done with the Civil War, or as they call it, The War of Northern Aggression.
We need to confront conservatives now because Fox news is inciting violence.
Just ask Gabby Giffords and George Tiller.

ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I think there are some who voted for Li'l Donnie for no other reason than they felt obligated to do so. When everyone around you, your friends, family, and coworkers, all support an obviously unqualified candidate, the easiest solution is to play along. Call it weakness of character. Call it giving in to peer pressure. Call it herd instinct. Call it whatever you want. A heck of a lot of these people will admit to being low information voters. Again, it's easier just to agree with everyone around you and not take the time to investigate the facts.
While I agree that there are many among them who do not deserve our admiration for realizing that they shit on all of America and themselves, I do think there ought to be some measure of leniency for those who truly want to change. If these people receive nothing but vitriol from us and ostracism from their erstwhile compatriots, we lose their support. At this point, we need all the support we can muster for town halls, protests, and writing letters to congress.
Don't even ask me how I plan to "test" everyone's allegiance; I have no idea. I'm simply asking for a little wiggle room for those who have seen the light, are willing to educate themselves, and want to join the cause.
nocalflea
(1,387 posts)Intellectually , I agree we need their support. Emotionally , I'm mad as " take no prisoners " hell.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)and friends on facebook.
My youngest sister is that way. She has an accounting degree but only listens to her doctor husband which she put through med school and her friends on facebook. She was reared in a Democratic home but she goes along with hubby and friends. Her hubby doctor started selling survival supplies ammunition and guns during the Obama administration. I defriended her after the election.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)know who you voted for. they don't go into the voting booth with you.
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)I understand "going along to get along". I understand joining in water-cooler discussions at the office by agreeing with comments about what a great guy that Trump fella is, and yeah, sure, he's got my vote!
I understand over-the-fence conversations with a neighbour who thinks Trump is the messiah who will save the country from ruin, and refusing to disagree for the sake of keeping the peace. I understand telling your mother-in-law at Thanksgiving dinner that you agree with her praise of The Donald in order to avoid a food fight at the table.
But once you step into the voting booth, no one knows who you voted for, or whether you actually went along to get along with your co-workers, your neighbours, or your MIL.
Your vote is YOUR VOTE, and no one will ever know who that vote was cast for. So while going along to get along may seem a reasonable excuse for not rocking the boat in public, it totally fails as a reason for not doing the right thing in private when it actually counts.
world wide wally
(21,835 posts)Gothmog
(157,859 posts)dchill
(41,194 posts)will do so in fairly short order, and won't need our cajoling or persuasion. The rest are a waste of our time, energy and mental and physical well-being.
I know I'm right about this.
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BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)I wish them no harm, but please, STAY OUT OF MY LIFE. The only thing I can offer them is some version of kindness and hope that life ends their suffering soon.
Motownman78
(491 posts)from DT supporters in Tennessee, Democrats and SJW's were too worried about Transgender bathroom rights while the factory closed. Never mind the reason it closed was because of profit driven Capitalism that screws the employee. This was an anti-establishment year, and DT just happened to be the anti-establishment candidate left after the primaries.
They just figured "What we have done before hasn't worked. Let us go totally outside the box". They didn't care about his comments because as DT said "I have heard Bill Clinton say worse on the golf course." They want the world as it was in the 1980's, with good paying jobs, and Miley Cyrus not twerking on their TV's.
We also got out-played by DT. My former boss is a lot like him. She is crazy like a fox, and is a showperson. Totally unpredictable, but everything always seemed to go her way.
dalton99a
(86,210 posts)betsuni
(27,437 posts)Hekate
(96,053 posts)I mean it
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)... because we're sisters, and I know where the family skeletons are buried - like who drove through the Chu's fence.
All kidin' aside, thanks for the support, as always.
sheshe2
(89,421 posts)I am at a loss right now.
NamesDave
(58 posts)Hate Trumps hate
marlakay
(12,218 posts)Your just reading left wing blogs and media. And they don't believe most of the shit about Trump.
Its totally amazing to me after all the proof but I have talked to people that say your in your bubble, he isn't that bad.
Omg, drives me batty!
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)Thanks and much love.
world wide wally
(21,835 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)
COLGATE4
(14,855 posts)to put this essay in 28 point boldface type and have it run on page one of every major American newspaper as well as on all the cable news programs.To say that you have 'hit it out of the park' is just inadequate- it's a searing indictment of the know-nothings that thought it might be fun to 'shake up Washington' or who believe Hillary is the bastard daughter of Cthulu and consequently cast their 'sacred' vote for Trump. Every time I read one of your posting and think "she can't possible top this" you go ahead and do it. My hat is definitely off to you!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... I totally distrust and I question the motives of those who insist that these dead-enders are redeemable, that we should reach-out to them, validate them and their hatred and bigotry, make room for them in our party. Fuck that!
PS: And fuck Jill Stein. And fuck Susan Sarandon.
mcar
(43,851 posts)Because Washington or drain the swamp, or something
They knew for whom they voted. They knew who and what he is. They just didn't care.
Reaching out to them is senseless.
George II
(67,782 posts)It's a cruel thing to say, but I hope they get swept up in the cuts and discontinued policies and suffer as much as those didn't vote for trump.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... maybe "guilty" is overstating it. Perhaps I was just aware of how awful it was for me to feel that way. But after I thought about it, I decided that some people DESERVE the consequences of their poor choices and their stupidity. Sometimes, the only way people can learn and change is not through logic, and not through their willingness to listen to and understand someone's arguments and reason. For many of these stubborn (and gullible) individuals, the only thing that can change their minds is suffering, hitting rock bottom, losing their jobs, their possessions, their loved ones. Maybe they'll learn a valuable lesson and not repeat their mistake.
PS: Fuck Jill Stein and fuck Susan Sarandon (including their defenders, fans, and apologists.)
ismnotwasm
(42,552 posts)brer cat
(26,750 posts)Paladin
(29,345 posts)The powers that be in the party better harness all this outrage and hurt, and in a big damned hurry.
Tom Rinaldo
(23,028 posts)This analogy does not apply to most Trump voters, just some of them.
It is the middle of the month. A family of five is living in a rental house. Rent is a thousand a month and due in nine days. Food costs $100 a week. They just cashed a paycheck but had to pay cash for a small fuel oil shipment to keep the house warm enough to live in. They filled up the gas tank so the bread winner can get to work. They have $80 to get them to the next paycheck which won't be enough to pay their rent, not even late. The land lord has had it with them being late on payments.
They can budget their remaining $80 wisely and the kids will still end up going hungry and the family will still get thrown out on the street. Or they can take half of it and buy some lotto tickets. The odds of winning are ridiculously low, embarrassingly low. But it is dimly within the realm of possibility. If they win big they can afford food for the kids and they can keep their home. If they lose, as is extremely likely, they will run out of money a few days earlier than they would have had they not gambled on those lotto tickets. They gamble on an extreme long shot. At the stage they are at they feel there is nothing really left to lose, they will get screwed anyway if they "act responsibly" and spend their last few dollars on 8 more jars of peanut butter instead.
The above is not a literal description, rather it is an allegory for mental desperation. Some Trump voters were not comfortable with their votes, they were at the point of just giving up. Judgement was suspended.
Cary
(11,746 posts)No way around that, and appeasement isn't the answer.
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)yet there are posters here who still insist on reaching out to those fucking rednecks. IDGAF about their reasons for voting for trump. They knew he was a racist, misogynist, xenophobic, and a liar. They ignored his character flaws and voted for him anyway, so they are ALL deplorable.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Keep It Simple Stupid. Right?
PsychoBabble
(837 posts)... viewpoint that give more details about why Nancy's position is more true than you think:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028777012
kimbutgar
(24,088 posts)Anyone ever again for voting for him. Luckily I don't know many people who voted for him but I see them everyday and know they are idiots. And I hope they get royally screwed over. I have no sympathy or empathy for them.
Firestorm49
(4,281 posts)Couldn't agree more. It's time to play with republikans the way they played with Obama - bare knuckle brawl. We have a communist president in the Oval Office, and who knows how many operatives destroying or " dismantling" our government ( Bannon and Co).
This situation is very serious, and I can only hope that people with much more influence and power than myself, can and will do something to get thus fascist president and his staff of idiots out of the White House. Time will tell. Oh, and by the way, if the NSA is monitoring these posts, I am NOT advocating violence of any sort.
Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)As much as I tend to be empathetic in real life, it is very difficult. I don't know that it would be fruitful to reach out anyway, anymore.
I really think that the brainwashing is too deep and the corporate spin machine will continue to gloss over and ignore. And for every 'repentant' Trump voter, there's probably millions more who just don't give a shit and never will.
I guess the jury is still out for me as well, I am too weary (and wary) of all the bullshit.
Zorro
(16,804 posts)Tell them "Hallelujah! Now you'll get to meet Jesus sooner!"
The Wizard
(13,046 posts)since LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Goldwater ran on States Rights. Republican code for the restoration of Jim Crow laws and eventually slavery. The morally challenged who support Trump have no place in a civil society. I have removed them from my life because life is too short to suffer fools. I find it impossible to have a reasonable discourse with them. In fact they make my skin crawl.
Only a nut would ridicule a cripple about their handicap. Trump is that nut. If you see fit to ridicule the least among us, get the fuck out of my life.
It's ironic that those who see victimizing our weakest as a good character trait are the morally bereft and brain poisoned from Pox News and hate radio. There was a time when I offered them my good counsel free of charge because it was how people should treat one another. We are all in this together. Trump has driven a wedge between old friends and family members, and that is reprehensible. His poison has seeped into America's soul, and for that Dante has a special place reserved for Trump and those like him, the Ninth Circle.
When his unwitting dupes realize they have drunk the Kool Aid it will be to late for them and unfortunately the Trump victims who voted for someone besides this toxic swine.
There is a curse on this country and by extension all of humanity. The curse is Donald Trump, the world's most immoral scumbag.
It seems the only one who can stop him now is the guy who put him in power, and that's because he has the piss videos.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)would the pee videos? They will just say, fake news, and call it a day. That's what they said about the P grabbing. At least the pee videos, as far as we know, are CONSENTING ADULTS. Both words are important. So, they were in Russia. The RW will say it wasn't his fault, with logical abandon and straight faces. (After all, Flynn wasn't fired for treason with the Russians, but for lying to the VP. The VP didnt know about Flynn and the Russians because he said so, over and over and over. The facts are contradict him, but they are pissed off at the liberals because they keep bringing up those facts, "trying to take down trump."
I don't think there is much hope for most of them. I don't think TrumpCare will do it, because most of the trumpsters didn't have Obamacare. Most people who have it, like it.
They want to see the liberals suffer. "You are either for us or against us." You are either a Fox news Repub or a lib.
They are loving it, I tell you. Eating it up. The more outrageous, the better, cuz he's giving it to the liberals.
Even if it brings some suffering to them, within limits, they are getting to see the liberals and what Romney called the 47% suffer.(If Romney were Trump, the next day, he could just say, "I didn't say that." KellyAnne could just say, that's just what he said, not what is in his heart."
One reason they hate us is because we are generally smarter. They hate that we know it. They hate that we are "do gooders." They have de legitimized us and de personalized us as a group. It sounds like we are doing the same. I feel just like most of the people have stated here in DU that they feel. I don't like them. I don't want to be around them. They truly are deplorable, which, of course, they love.
Good post, Nance
Hugo24601
(45 posts)linnknee
(52 posts)I have not gotten over this election. I think the only thing that would make me feel better is either the imbecile's IMPEACHMENT or seeing the orange buffoon in HANDCUFFS. I cannot bother with anyone who supported him because they are as stupid and insane as the current pile of fat sitting in the oval office. I won't mind if they locked up the whole low-class family with him, the dopey sons, Venus and Adonis [who have to read everything for the functionally illiterate cheeto and then explain to him what the document said] along with the illegal porn star resident of TRUMP TOWERS.
Thanks for sharing.
VOX
(22,976 posts)And that's exactly what this is. Thank you!
Talk Is Cheap
(389 posts)...especially after she called them 'deplorable'. I am sure that was the final straw
that caused many of them to vote Trump.
Democrats need to learn that we can get republican votes if we just talk civil to them.
And, no, some are so far out there that it will never happen. Still, we need to take the
high road and curb 'our arrogance' - meaning, treat them civilly even if we vehemently
disagree with them. The idea is to gain supporters, not push them away.
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)... in "talking civilly" to people who are devoid of civility.
They can take their racism, their bigotry, their Islamaphobia, their xenophobia, their homophobia, their misogyny, their fake Christianity, and their abject stupidity and shove it where the sun don't shine.
"Vehement disagreement" doesn't come close to describing what decent people think of those who put an incompetent, self-serving, lying Idiot in the White House.
What we have here is not a "failure to communicate" - it is a flat-out REFUSAL to compromise ONE GOD-DAMNED INCH with those who think deporting "illegal" mothers away from their children, taking food stamps away from hungry families, and taking affordable healthcare coverage away from the those who need it, is acceptable.
And BTW, I hope when the Deplorables are shoving the aforementioned up their asses, they leave room for the Republican party's dicks - because they're about to get an ass-fucking from the very people they voted for.
If you don't want to be called "a Deplorable", there's an easy way to do that: STOP ACTING LIKE ONE.
Talk Is Cheap
(389 posts)Eventually, Dems will realize that messaging to all people will allow America and the world
to rid ourselves of the republican/right-wing mindset. We had that in the FDR days.
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)... doesn't want to be labelled "deplorable" should stop acting deplorably.
This notion that Dems have failed to "message to all people" is ludicrous on its face. Our message has been clear: We stand for the betterment of ALL citizens via affordable healthcare for ALL, voting rights for ALL, tolerance for and acceptance of ALL, jobs for ALL, etc.
The Deplorables soundly rejected that message by voting for Trump/Republicans who consistently stand for exclusion, and the elimination of programs and initiatives that serve ALL rather than the few.
"We had that in the FDR days."
What we didn't have in the FDR days was FOX-News literally brainwashing the populace. We didn't have RW hate radio promoting the scapegoating of minorities, and convincing people to vote against their own best interests. We didn't have 24/7 news outlets giving airtime to politicians who outright LIE without challenging them, or presenting the facts that disprove those lies.
We didn't have an internet where utterly ridiculous stories are widely circulated within minutes, and become accepted as "fact" merely because they've been repeated thousands of times per hour.
In this last election, the Democrats spoke out loud and clear to EVERY voter, not just those of their own party. They were abundantly clear as to their position on issues that affect ALL Americans - and saying otherwise flies in the face of reality.
Talk Is Cheap
(389 posts)Dems message just fine (I disagree).
The reason we lost was the onslaught of right-wing propaganda (definitely a huge problem).
So, how do Dems win elections? This is a very important question. Your thoughts on this?
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)... is just fine - at least among those who think that affordable healthcare, raising the minimum wage, acceptance of those of all religions, cultures, and ethnicity, voting rights for ALL citizens without interference and obstacles, adherence to the Constitution and the law, supporting programs that assist the poor, the homeless, the unemployed, spending tax dollars on the betterment of our countrymen rather than spending it on a "wall" or tax-cuts for wealthy individuals and corporations are concerned.
I stand by the Democratic message being "just fine". You disagree.
So how do YOU think Dems can win elections? By taking the opposite stance? By"compromising" with bigots, racists, homophobes and xenophobes? By abandoning their long-held principles in order to win the votes of the unprincipled?
YOU are the one who thinks the Democratic message is faulty - I don't. So let's hear YOUR thoughts on where we've gone wrong.
It's easy to stand on the sidelines and yell "you're doing it all wrong!!!" So enlighten us all as to how YOU think it can be done right.
Talk Is Cheap
(389 posts)Most of the Democratic message is spot on - some of the message needs to be more progressive.
My original point was to have Dems speak to *all* people even thou we disagree with them and they disagree with us. The only way to win elections is to have more people vote for Dems.
I answered your question - now answer mine: You said the Dem's message is 'just fine' and you accurately pointed out the huge problem with right-wing hate media. So, how do Dems start winning more elections?
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)Thank you, Mr. Obvious.
Now enlighten us all with how we go about doing that.
We're all ears, awaiting your sage advice.
Talk Is Cheap
(389 posts)Are you just all talk?
Since I asked again - what are your ideas?
Talk Is Cheap
(389 posts)What are your ideas for Dems to win more elections?
lordsummerisle
(4,653 posts)airplaneman
(1,296 posts)And thanks Nance - you spelled it out well.
-Airplane
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Tapping into anger and demonizing anyone who opposes him. It's an ugly cultural representation also evident in both entertainment and news media. Following 45 into that intellectual cess pool is not going to win elections.
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NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)... for the "intellect" of those who voted for a man who has outsourced the manufacture of his every "brand-name" product, along with outsourcing the production of EVERY piece of furniture, every bed-linen, every towel, every tablecloth that furnish his own hotels, because they believed he was interested in bringing jobs to American workers.
"They heard little else?"? Maybe they should have opened their ears and heard the obvious.
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PatrickforO
(15,160 posts)with Howard Stern, and the horrible p***y grabbing comment, the stories of dozens of small businesses that he fleeced, how he doesn't pay his bills, the Russia issue and so on, then you're right Nance - no excuse. They are nothing but white supremacist, misogynistic, homophobic people who need to crawl back under their rocks.
However, some conservatives never heard these things because their only news outlets didn't report them, and they didn't check any other sources. Check out this Columbia Journalism Review article about how right wingers are less likely to access more mainstream media like CNN or the Hill - if they get their news from Fox or Breitbart, then that's where they go, period. This is probably why Trump won, this, the Russian hack, the traitor Comey and all the rest of the Republican hate-noise machine.
http://www.cjr.org/analysis/breitbart-media-trump-harvard-study.php
You guys know what America needs? A new Fairness Doctrine. News should not be subject to ratings, and the internet should be part of the publicly owned data channels.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)5 stars. Ratings by a fact checker, like Snoops? They will come up with their own fact checkers. It is a good idea. I just don't know how to make it work.
Gothmog
(157,859 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)That's pretty much me as well.
The idiots can tell me unity is more important than equality... and they'll simply validate their idiocy that much more.