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liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:40 PM Jun 2012

How Much Is the ACA ‘Tax’?

Q: How much will the “tax” penalty be for going without health insurance?


A: The minimum assessment will be $695 per person (but no more than $2,085 per family) in 2016, when fully phased in. The amount can be higher depending on income. But there are exemptions for low-income persons and others.




But it will be less to start. The minimum penalty per person will start at $95 in 2014, the first year that the law will require individuals to obtain coverage. And it will rise to $325 the following year.

Starting in 2017, the minimum tax per person will rise each year with inflation. And for children 18 and under, the minimum per-person tax is half of that for adults.


http://factcheck.org/2012/06/how-much-is-the-obamacare-tax/

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How Much Is the ACA ‘Tax’? (Original Post) liberal N proud Jun 2012 OP
So if you're making $28,000 a year you now lose an extra $695 a year on this in 2016. Minimum loss. Zalatix Jun 2012 #1
Fifty bucks a month for the year from 28,000 salary??? cliffordu Jun 2012 #4
An EXTRA fifty bucks a month. And at $28,000 a year you likely cannot afford that extra expense. Zalatix Jun 2012 #10
Ah... cliffordu Jun 2012 #13
If you make $28,000/yr for a family of 4 you are eligible for Medicaid FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #17
My understanding is there is a subsidie per income...the Obama admin is STILL doing a horrible job uponit7771 Jun 2012 #5
No... then you would be give subsidies to purchase insurance Fawke Em Jun 2012 #6
$28,000 a year is too high for that. You MIGHT get a subsidy. Zalatix Jun 2012 #7
No, 28000/yr is not too high for medicaid, depending on how many family members FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #18
Depends on the cut off for EC Jun 2012 #15
People who are of low income nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #21
Why the quotation marks? derby378 Jun 2012 #2
Bcause that wasn't the intent, there's no IRS enforcement of the "tax" so it's still uponit7771 Jun 2012 #8
There WILL be IRS enforcement B2G Jun 2012 #11
No there is no enforcement remedies. EC Jun 2012 #16
Then it's a toothless tax B2G Jun 2012 #19
K, this is the thing...2100 for my family of five is better than what I'm getting now uponit7771 Jun 2012 #3
It is 2.5% of your income or the flat rate of $695 B2G Jun 2012 #9
And the definition of the word 'family' is? Biblical? Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #12
Just some general thought here: Ship of Fools Jun 2012 #14
And it's only going to apply to a small fraction of the population. backscatter712 Jun 2012 #20
The generosity of Roselma Jun 2012 #22
Thanks for posting that liberal N proud Jun 2012 #23
 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
1. So if you're making $28,000 a year you now lose an extra $695 a year on this in 2016. Minimum loss.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:53 PM
Jun 2012

Nope, that won't hurt anyone's budget. Just get a second job to cover it, they're plentiful!

People in this tax bracket whose employers don't offer health insurance, or who have unemployed spouses, fuck them, they gotta pay, dammit.

I see the soup lines getting longer...

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
10. An EXTRA fifty bucks a month. And at $28,000 a year you likely cannot afford that extra expense.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:03 PM
Jun 2012

Where I live, rent is likely to be more than HALF that per year. If your household is making $28,000 you are likely behind on something unless you ride a bike, are single AND are living in a roach trap. Of course it might go further in Le Traileur Parque, Alabammer.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
5. My understanding is there is a subsidie per income...the Obama admin is STILL doing a horrible job
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:57 PM
Jun 2012

...at explaining these simple questions.

There should be an easy start app or website for ACA

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
6. No... then you would be give subsidies to purchase insurance
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:57 PM
Jun 2012

OR you'd qualify for Medicare's extensions, depending upon the number of your dependents.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
7. $28,000 a year is too high for that. You MIGHT get a subsidy.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:59 PM
Jun 2012

Those who do get a subsidy have to pay for the insurance FIRST and then get the subsidy. Kind of a case of too little, too late.

FarLeftFist

(6,161 posts)
18. No, 28000/yr is not too high for medicaid, depending on how many family members
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:47 PM
Jun 2012

A family of 4 IS qualified for medicaid.

EC

(12,287 posts)
15. Depends on the cut off for
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:42 PM
Jun 2012

the considered poverty group who won't be taxed. There is no penalty or enforcement remedies for not paying so you're not forced to pay.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
21. People who are of low income
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:56 PM
Jun 2012

Will get subsidies. Under the exchanges 133% of poverty, they qualify for...free healthcare.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
2. Why the quotation marks?
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:54 PM
Jun 2012

It's a tax. The Supreme Court automagically converted the penalty into a tax yesterday.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
11. There WILL be IRS enforcement
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:04 PM
Jun 2012

How do you think they're going to collect that tax? Via your federal income tax returns, that's how.

EC

(12,287 posts)
16. No there is no enforcement remedies.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:43 PM
Jun 2012

The law itself spells out that the IRS cannot use remedies to collect.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
19. Then it's a toothless tax
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:53 PM
Jun 2012

Want to wager on how quickly this will change upon implementation? All of the pertinent info will be on your W2.

And even if it remains as is, the penalty will be deducted from your return. So the only way they won't get it is if you owe money when you file. If you think they won't just add the HC tax to that amount, you're nuts.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
3. K, this is the thing...2100 for my family of five is better than what I'm getting now
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:55 PM
Jun 2012

...through HCI...why not just risk the tax and get on the spot HCI?

unless they're not going to offer on the spot HCI...

Regards

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
9. It is 2.5% of your income or the flat rate of $695
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:02 PM
Jun 2012
Whichever is more.

The penalty for people who forego insurance is the greatest of two amounts: a specified percentage of income or a specified dollar amount. The percentages of income are phased in over time at 1% in 2014, 2% in 2015, and 2.5% starting in 2016. The dollar amounts are also phased in at $95 in 2014, $325 in 2015, and $695 beginning in 2016 (with annual increases after that). The Congressional Budget Office projects that 3.9 million people will pay the penalty in 2016. The total penalty for the taxable year will not exceed the national average of the annual premiums of a bronze level health insurance plan offered through the health insurance Exchanges.

http://healthreform.kff.org/faq/will-everyone-have-to-buy-health-insurance.aspx
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
12. And the definition of the word 'family' is? Biblical?
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jun 2012

Some of us will not be treated fairly, as the tax code is bigoted. It would be nice to see that addressed. But it won't be unless a huge stink is endlessly raised.

Ship of Fools

(1,453 posts)
14. Just some general thought here:
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:34 PM
Jun 2012

I'm totally a visual person. At www.healthcare.gov, the homepage
has a *little button* at the top: "Health Care Law & You."

It's orange, so it stands out FAIRLY well, but imo the homepage
should begin with a large print, bulleted list of the benefits
of ACA. Simple, easy-to-read. Defined straight out of the chute.

It's been my observation that if the good and really smart
folks here at DU find themselves scratching their heads about
some of these issues, I can't imagine what the average Joe 6-Pack
is doing (and I'm your average Joe 6-Pack, fwiw.)

And how about some bumperstickers from HQ with
the site name/address? Along the lines of

ACA: Got Questions? Go to blahblahhblah

Just some thoughts.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
20. And it's only going to apply to a small fraction of the population.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:56 PM
Jun 2012

Namely the people who can afford insurance, but choose not to get it.

If you're too poor to afford it, either you get a subsidy, which may very well cover most of the cost for you, or if you're below 133% of the poverty line, you get on Medicaid, or if somehow you slip through those two scenarios, you can simply explain that you can't afford to buy insurance and get an exemption.

Really, if you're in a situation where you have to pay the individual mandate penalty, you deserve it.

Roselma

(540 posts)
22. The generosity of
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:05 PM
Jun 2012

subsidies cannot be minimized. Who on earth would rather do without insurance than have it provided for nearly nothing? That's just stupid. Take 10 seconds, play with this calculator, and see if it would ever be worth turning down Medicaid or turning down federal subsidies.

http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
23. Thanks for posting that
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jun 2012

The dumbest questions of the day comes from those who think it would be smart to drop your insurance and pay the penalty.

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