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Kellyanne: "Of course I don't have any evidence..." (Original Post) ProudLib72 Mar 2017 OP
There are none. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #1
But there is the issue of libel ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #2
President Obama is a public figure. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #3
Maybe wishful thinking ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #4
Any credibility standard seems to have disappeared as the M$M keeps giving her more chances to lie! FreeStateDemocrat Mar 2017 #5
That protection is not all encompassing LanternWaste Mar 2017 #10
An interesting argument. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #11
When the GOP controls everything? Absolutely ZERO. Atman Mar 2017 #6
She's a fact contortionist BSdetect Mar 2017 #7
Ok, I know very well that ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #8
no chance Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #9

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. President Obama is a public figure.
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 01:14 PM
Mar 2017

I believe that the standard for libel is much higher for public figures.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
4. Maybe wishful thinking
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 01:19 PM
Mar 2017

If her credibility is shot, she could resign or be fired. (Yes, her credibility is already shot, but accusation of libel could be the clincher).

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. That protection is not all encompassing
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 03:14 PM
Mar 2017

That protection is not all encompassing. And because of the way Trump has leveled unsubstantiated accusations at Obama, he may have libeled his predecessor. He's basically stating that Mr. Obama committed crimes, and to state that somebody has committed a crime when it's false is clearly defamatory.

It comes down to a jury answering two questions: Was the statement false? and Did the person know it was false or was he reckless about whether it was false?

Is there enough evidence of serious reckless disregard to send that case to a jury? I don't know what a court would decide on that, but there is some evidence of recklessness. In addition, it seems that Trump did not try to ask his own administration whether the scenario was true.

And though a president is provided absolute immunity from civil damages and liability while conducting presidential acts, it is not clear that potential judges would view tweeting a defamatory conspiracy theory, without evidence, as a president carrying out his official duties.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
8. Ok, I know very well that
Mon Mar 13, 2017, 02:05 PM
Mar 2017

nothing legal will happen. What about those congress people? Do you think they will continue to do tRump's bidding? There will be backlash. There has got to be backlash. I cannot believe that everyone in the GOP will continue to agree with (or allow) tRump to make these absurdist accusations. It looks horrible for tRump, and it will reflect on the GOP as well.

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