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Mon Mar 13, 2017, 08:41 PM

2020 Democratic Ticket -Kander/Harris or Kander/Booker

Jason Kander-MO is the ideal Democratic challenger to Republican incumbent Donald Trump. He is under 40 years old- he is likely to do well with millennial voters. He is former Army Intelligence Officer-he has foreign policy/national security experience. He narrowly lose a US Senate Election 2016 in a red state-MO against a Republican incumbent-Roy Blunt-campaigning as a progressive.
Kander will need to select a black US Senator Kamala Harris-CA or Cory Booker-NJ to win battleground states in the Midwest that have a strong black electorate
OH-18 (250ev)
MI-16 (266ev)
WI-10 (276ev)

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Reply 2020 Democratic Ticket -Kander/Harris or Kander/Booker (Original post)
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 OP
Foamfollower Mar 2017 #1
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #3
RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #5
First Speaker Mar 2017 #2
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #4
BannonsLiver Mar 2017 #25
Chipper Chat Mar 2017 #6
La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #9
Chipper Chat Mar 2017 #11
La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #14
JHan Mar 2017 #16
Chipper Chat Mar 2017 #17
NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #19
Chipper Chat Mar 2017 #20
NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #32
Chipper Chat Mar 2017 #45
Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #21
Chipper Chat Mar 2017 #23
demosincebirth Mar 2017 #7
La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #10
Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #29
demosincebirth Mar 2017 #42
La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #46
Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #8
Kahuna7 Mar 2017 #27
TeamPooka Mar 2017 #36
JHan Mar 2017 #12
La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2017 #15
Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #30
Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #13
karynnj Mar 2017 #18
TeamPooka Mar 2017 #35
karynnj Mar 2017 #38
LisaL Mar 2017 #39
karynnj Mar 2017 #40
Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #22
Chipper Chat Mar 2017 #24
Lucinda Mar 2017 #33
BannonsLiver Mar 2017 #26
madinmaryland Mar 2017 #28
tinrobot Mar 2017 #31
TeamPooka Mar 2017 #34
LisaL Mar 2017 #37
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #44
TeamPooka Mar 2017 #47
WhiteTara Mar 2017 #41
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #43
TeamPooka Mar 2017 #48

Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Mon Mar 13, 2017, 08:43 PM

1. I dn't see Gillibrand in your list.

 

Kirsten Gillibrand 2020!

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Response to Foamfollower (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 13, 2017, 08:53 PM

3. Kirsten Gillibrand would also be an excellent VP runningmate to Jason Kander.

She served 2 years in the US House, and 12 years in the US Senate. She serves on the Senate Armed Services committeee.She could help Kander with white female voters.

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Response to Foamfollower (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 13, 2017, 09:21 PM

5. The tobacco lobbying won't help.

 

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Mon Mar 13, 2017, 08:46 PM

2. Sounds a little bit like Lincoln...

...in the sense that he, of course, lost his Senate race to Douglas in 1858...but became a national figure in so doing. He then pulled off the greatest upset in US political history by winning the 1860 GOP nomination...before the convention, Abe was the Dark Horse of Dark Horses. Kander sounds interesting, and I'm looking forward to learning more about him...

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Response to First Speaker (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 13, 2017, 09:07 PM

4. Jason Kander can do a big favor to the Democratic Party and campaign for Democratic US Senate

incumbents in Trump states up for re-election in 2018
FL-Nelson
IN-Donnelly
MI-Stabelow
MO-McCaskill
MT-Tester
ND-Heitkamp
OH-Brown
PA-Casey
WV-Manchin
WI-Baldwin

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:15 PM

25. In that scenario he'd be primarying MCCaskill. A fight he'd lose.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Mon Mar 13, 2017, 09:59 PM

6. The "old guard" may not allow it.

They will want Kaine again. Or Casey. Maybe even Hillary again. Kander, Buttigieg Harris, etc: will be ignored.
Unfortunate.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 12:01 AM

9. who is the mysterious 'they'? is it the democratic primary voter?

 

because if people wanted they too could easily become part of the 'they'

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 04:36 PM

11. No, not the voters.

It's who controls the party. We saw the control of the Clinton machine had over Bernie. I was disappointed with the Kaine pick as VP.
I'm hoping Schumer will open the gates a little wider and allow some of the "youngies" and dems of color to have a say in support of future candidates

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Response to Chipper Chat (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 05:00 PM

14. yeah, the clinton machine picked 3 million more votes for her

 

it wasn't his inability to win anything else but caucuses that cost him

lol

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 05:05 PM

16. the great powerful DNC machine made me vote Hillary, they mind controlled me via microwaves.

Tru story.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 05:08 PM

17. That's not the point.

I'm looking forward to the future and don't want the party to become stodgy and restrict the ingress of new young voters. We'll see what the future holds.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 05:15 PM

19. I"ve not heard Kaine or Cinton discussed in regards to 2020

The only persons I've really heard have been Elizabeth Warren (writing a book & hiring a national security expert as an adviser) and Cory Booker, who was promptly bashed by progressives for a misleading article published in Jared Kushner's old paper, The NY Observer.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 05:45 PM

20. I've been around a looonnng time and although I like them

I don't feel Warren or Booker can be elected. We need a new dynamic fresh face that can stir the emotions of young democrats and soon-to-hopefully -be democrats. Maybe Gavin Newsom, Joe Kennedy, or Joaquin Castro.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:48 PM

32. Castro is a very good speaker

but, I think Booker is excellent as well and I think he has more gravitas than Castro, but that's just my opinion.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 08:20 PM

45. I think Booker is a bit pushy and overbearing.

Comes on a bit too strong. If he can modify that a little I say thumbs up. Would make an excellent VP.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 05:45 PM

21. Who is this "old guard?"

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 05:52 PM

23. It exists more in the republican party.

Like when they chose Dole in 1996 because it was "his turn." Then it was McCain in 2008 because it was "his turn" even though they could have picked much better candidates to run against Clinton and Obama. I think the democratic party has a potential problem if they go down this road in 2020. I don't want to elaborate because I would probably get alerted.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Mon Mar 13, 2017, 11:42 PM

7. Harris? Not enough fire in her belly

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 12:02 AM

10. lol. you're wrong.

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:30 PM

29. Yup. I've been following Kamala Harris since her days in San Francisco

she is definitely one to watch, along with Gavin.

Our party is long overdue for some national leadership that doesn't come exclusively from the East Coast bubble.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 07:36 PM

42. My opiinion

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #42)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 08:50 PM

46. She's a woman of color who is in the us senate

 

You don't get that without 'fire in the belly'

Opinions can be wrong too

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Mon Mar 13, 2017, 11:49 PM

8. Gavin Newsom.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:25 PM

27. I like Gavin Newsom too. nt

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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #27)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:55 PM

36. I like Gavin and want him as my next Gov but he's not Presidential material yet.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 04:42 PM

12. I can see it now.... idiots decrying Booker leading to a repeat of 2016.

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Response to JHan (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 05:02 PM

15. or kamala harris.

 

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Response to JHan (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:31 PM

30. I like Cory Booker.

His cosponsorship of the CARERS act alone proves that, unlike a lot of our other leaders on the East Coast, he gets it about the way the wind is blowing on the very important issue of marijuana legalization.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 04:44 PM

13. Democratic ticket...primary winner...

now lets talk about 18...with a 60 vote GOP Senate a possibility ...way more important.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 05:14 PM

18. It would make more sense if you made a case based on his accomplishments

I know he was in the military and I know he ran for Senate and lost - where the thing he got the most notice for was putting a gun together blind folded. He is young. Both Harris and Booker have far better resumes and they are not that old either -- and there is no reason if they were to run, that Kander could beat them in a primary. To say that Kander needs a "black" -- as the VP diminishes these two excellent Democrats - who are both more than the token black.

I think it is way to early to choose who we want for 2020. Now is the time to fight against losing everything that people worked so hard for for years. THAT effort might show us who the new faces and superstars are. If Kander leads on various efforts on healthcare, climate change or foreign policy ... he will gain recognition and he could become someone people want to follow. Being from MO, being young and having been a vet needs a lot more to be the nominee. Every nominee in my lifetime in the Democratic party has had more ... and until a year ago, I could even have said that for the Republicans.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:54 PM

35. everyone called that ad of his the best one of our party last cycle, except me. I thought it sucked

A good ad is one with a liberal message that can be used by candidates all around the country.
That was not it. There was no progressive message at all in that ad.
Bernie's "America" ad was the best ad of the cycle in 2016 because it could be transported to others, even Hillary.
I thought he was running in the wrong party when I saw his gun assembly ad.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #35)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 07:04 PM

38. I agree that the America ad was the best - and not just of this year!

Another Bernie ad was nearly as good. It had a Vermont dairy farmer speaking of his life, his farm and Bernie. It was beautiful and the farmer (though likely reading a script) sounded like he was speaking from who he was and of a politician who listened to him as well as spoke to him.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 07:06 PM

39. I can put a gun together blind folded. That doesn't really mean I am qualified to run for president.

I don't think that qualifies him either. He didn't win his election (gun or no gun).

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Response to LisaL (Reply #39)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 07:11 PM

40. My point as well -- it is a skill completely irrelevant to the job of being President

Guns are foreign objects to me. I don't get why the person who started this thread and others is so convinced that this guy is a surprise superstar -- the only thing that would justify even putting him on the list for President given that he has no real credientials.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 05:47 PM

22. God damn it the hell fuck shit piss tits balls CONCENTRATE ON 2018 FIRST!!!!!!

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 05:53 PM

24. AMEN

AMEN

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:49 PM

33. I definitely am!

Though a little thinking ahead wouldn't go amiss, I am much more concerned with flipping as many congressional seats as possible from now, through 2018.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:19 PM

26. He's a nice future "prospect" to use a sports analogy

But he has no real bonafides. Sec of State and Missouri House Rep. just don't matter much on a national stage even with his military service.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:28 PM

28. He still has no national experience. At least Martin O'Malley has been a governor for eight

years and has run for President before.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:46 PM

31. He needs to get elected to something first.

I'm sure he's a great guy, but I'm sick of candidates jumping directly into the presidential race with zero experience as an elected official. Nader, Stein, Drumpf...

I want a candidate who has proof that he/she can win an election and also has a track record/voting record.

He needs to run for something and win - mayor, governor, congress, etc. After that, we can talk about higher office.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:50 PM

34. No 2016 Senate loser will be this party's nominee in 2020. Pick a winner, not a loser.

I'm sorry to be so blunt but no.
Gillibrand, Booker and Harris are all better 2020 potential candidates than Kander.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 07:04 PM

37. Well, exactly.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 08:17 PM

44. Gillibrand,Booker,and Harris represent strong blue states. They would need to select Kander as VP

runningmate in order to win the battleground Midwestern states IA,MN,WI,MI,and OH.
Between Gillibrand, Booker, and Harris, Gillibrand is the candidate that represented a Republican leaning Congressional district from 2007-2009 before getting appointed to the US Senate.
Gillibrand/Kander is the winning ticket for Democrats in 2020.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Reply #44)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 10:01 PM

47. We should pick him..if we want to lose MO. Again, make a case for a winner, not a guy who could not

win a state wide election.
Only Republicans vote for candidates with no elected experience for President
At this point you sound like Josh or Mrs Kander.
Let it go.


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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 07:31 PM

41. He couldn't win in his state. Why

would you think he can win in the nation?

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #41)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 08:06 PM

43. Do you think Donald Trump can win a US Senate or Governors Race in New York or New Jersey?

He would lose to either Schumer,Gillibrand,Cuomo,Booker,or Menendez by a high single to low double digit margin.
NY/NJ are strong Democratic States.
MO is a lean/likely Republican state at the federal level. Kander-D performance in 2016 against Blunt-R was better than Robin Carnahan's performance in 2010 against Blunt.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 10:04 PM

48. Your argument is "my guy lost better than the other guy lost." hahahaha Still a,loser though. :)

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