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Mon Mar 20, 2017, 11:48 AM

FBI has FISA warrant for Trump secret server connected to Russia.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512604434

Time to reflect back on who reacted how to this news, posted on DU just a few hours before the hackers took down DU.

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Reply FBI has FISA warrant for Trump secret server connected to Russia. (Original post)
L. Coyote Mar 2017 OP
malaise Mar 2017 #1
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #3
malaise Mar 2017 #4
SummerSnow Mar 2017 #8
lpbk2713 Mar 2017 #2
KPN Mar 2017 #5
Moostache Mar 2017 #14
barbtries Mar 2017 #17
murielm99 Mar 2017 #19
barbtries Mar 2017 #30
murielm99 Mar 2017 #32
barbtries Mar 2017 #33
yodermon Mar 2017 #6
furtheradu Mar 2017 #7
JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #9
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #10
Pachamama Mar 2017 #11
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #12
Orrex Mar 2017 #13
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #15
Orrex Mar 2017 #28
Amaryllis Mar 2017 #23
Orrex Mar 2017 #27
barbtries Mar 2017 #16
Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #25
barbtries Mar 2017 #31
GliderGuider Mar 2017 #45
Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #50
ffr Mar 2017 #18
Generic Brad Mar 2017 #54
keepthemhonestO Mar 2017 #20
murielm99 Mar 2017 #21
NCTraveler Mar 2017 #22
JPZenger Mar 2017 #24
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #35
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #39
furtheradu Mar 2017 #26
tiptonic Mar 2017 #29
Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2017 #34
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #36
Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2017 #40
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #42
Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2017 #43
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #46
MedusaX Mar 2017 #51
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #52
pnwmom Mar 2017 #37
Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2017 #41
GliderGuider Mar 2017 #48
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #49
GliderGuider Mar 2017 #47
pnwmom Mar 2017 #38
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #44
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #53
L. Coyote Mar 2017 #55

Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 11:50 AM

1. Freaking wow!

Makes sense now

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 11:55 AM

3. Indeed. Election morning, bright and early.

No way were they going to allow Trump's theft to be soiled. Note the view count on that page!!! it was starting to go viral.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 11:56 AM

4. I've been watching view counts

for some time - some serious shit was and is going on

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:04 PM

8. EXACTLY!!!!

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 11:52 AM

2. The other shoe is starting to fall.




Trump will look good in an orange jump suit.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 11:58 AM

5. I wanna see horizontal stripes!

and what his hair looks like without access to a spendy hair magician.

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Response to KPN (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:30 PM

14. Lex Luthor?


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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:37 PM

17. and bald.

no make up. no mussolini. he actually deserves it, too.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:42 PM

19. They shave traitors' heads, too. n/t

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:39 PM

30. even in 2017?

the vision puts a smile on my face.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #30)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:41 PM

32. It is a tradition.

Why fight tradition?

I know it was done more to women to humiliate them, but it would work with trump. He is so proud of that mess on his head.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:42 PM

33. yeah.

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 11:59 AM

6. very interesting. Thanks. n/t

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:03 PM

7. KICK!


Spread the Word, Y'all

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:04 PM

9. Thanks

Bookmarked the thread at the link.

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:37 PM

10. THIS is the kind of headline that should be splashed across every news outlet

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:12 PM

11. I have been reflecting on this since you posted the discussion & the hack on DU on election night

There are many of us who have suspected this possible link and the deliberate hacking attack on DU and who did it and why...I still believe eventually DU administrators will have the answer and be able to share...

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:22 PM

12. I suspect there is an investigation still in progress. Anyway, oddly we haven't heard much

about what went down technically and how it happened. Can anyone link a thread where Admins discuss this?

It is suspicious that the site was taken down just as the #TrumpRussia thread was about to explode on the web. It was really spreading .....

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:29 PM

13. Holy shit--how did I not see that original thread?!?

Edited to add: And some of those posts date all the way back to 1969!

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Response to Orrex (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:32 PM

15. Because hackers took down the entire domain! Otherwise, the whole country might have seen it.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:17 PM

28. Oh, yeah. Dammit.

Still, great post.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:55 PM

23. NOt following; what posts go back to 1969? Where are you seeing that?

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Response to Amaryllis (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:15 PM

27. At the very bottom of the thread

They're an artifact of the hack, alas. You can't click on any posts from that date--you can only see the "dates."

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:36 PM

16. was it vanity fair? Slate, Mother Jones, DU itself?

I would swear that i read about this server during the campaign, not while the election was going on. but i can't source the information.

at any rate, speaking of the hack of DU (which left me bereft alone in Philly in a hotel room while the sky was falling - i was frantic and distraught and all alone!): has anyone been identified, arrested, prosecuted?

i would bet that the FISA warrant has been around for quite awhile.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:10 PM

25. yes, David Corn (Mother Jones) reported on it like a week before the election

 

I'm not sure why Mensch's piece got so much more attention.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:40 PM

31. thank you!

obviously the story never got the kind of traction it should have. the trump show was just so engrossing i guess.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:22 PM

45. Corn never mentioned a FISA warrant in his Oct. 31 piece.

 

That was Louise's scoop, which she published on Nov. 7. If you can find an article talking about a FISA warrant in this case before Nov. 7, I'd like to know!

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Response to GliderGuider (Reply #45)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 07:33 PM

50. OK, I looked back at the article. It doesn't mention surveillance of Trump tower.

 

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:40 PM

18. DU should build a backup site on another platform for just such emergencies

Post a link or just redirect to the new site to keep the information flowing.

These turn-coat cronies need to go to jail. And I'd like to have their dunce shouting 'lock her up' cronies dumped in a stupid pit as well. There should be penalties for repeating stupidity.

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Response to ffr (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 08:30 PM

54. Or DU could build a massive firewall and ask another web site to pay for it

IT WOULD BE BIGLY HUGE!!!!

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:43 PM

20. I wondered

if there was some big thing they were keeping away by hacking us at a crucial time.

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:44 PM

21. It was good to revisit that thread.

The responses were about what I would expect from some of those posters.

Let's hope this goes somewhere. Thanks for posting.

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:45 PM

22. Well done and well played.

"How many business hours" until I realize I was simply acting a clown.




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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:03 PM

24. I wish someone would do some research on the Russian trolls and bots

I wish someone had some time to research some of the Russian trolls and automated bots on social media. If you find an usual combination of words, you can often trace an individual to numerous account names across various platforms.

Some Breitbart associates seem to keep a stable of facebook profiles that they bring out on special occasions.

The Ruskies also use some automated bots to post comments in many online conversations when a controversy arises.

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Response to JPZenger (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:54 PM

35. Classic case: Man with "Republicans Against Trump" sign beaten at Trump rally, Trump incited fight

Trump incites a beating, watches it silently, aides rush him off stage, story becomes assassination attempt, victim held away from press in a bathroom for hours. Meanwhile, the bot army was so active on Twitter it was near impossible to get to the real story until the media had moved on to the next clever distraction.

Man with "Republicans Against Trump" sign beaten at Trump rally, Trump incited fight

This screen capture illustrates how the fake people have half faces, weird names, and are all tweeted by a computer--they all forget to attach the same link (image below). Their purpose was to push the hashtag #Reno to the top and to move a specific news story to the top. As you can see, it matters not if they are evidently fake, the Twitter algorithm doesn't know the difference. It was amazing how many came out to obfuscate the story of trump causing the beating. His being rushed off the stage was even alikely staged action to divert attention from what was really the story, the guy getting beaten, kicked, and his nuts grabbed while on the floor as Trump watched in silence after saying, "Get him out of here.".



Trump's inner circle even started the assassination fake news. It was a well-coordinated action that happened very quickly, illustrating how much narrative control they had by interjecting lies and bullshit to keep us from the truth..

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #35)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:07 PM

39. It wasn't Secret Service rushing trump off stage. Recognize this guy?

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:11 PM

26. KICK! Again!

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:36 PM

29. Commie/Comey

I hope, Comey goes to the same jail, as the rest of them

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:46 PM

34. Wow, first posted in November,

still no corroboration.

Louise Mensch is a RW hack.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #34)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:59 PM

36. Obviously, you are not listening to the hearing today.

I have to agree with Kellyanne today:







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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #36)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:08 PM

40. I was listening.

They mentioned no FISA warrant. They are investigating 45's administration's ties to Russia, however.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #40)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:12 PM

42. I'm still watching. The DNC hack details are now being discussed.

And, if you listened you know why the FISA warrant isn't going to be mentioned.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:14 PM

43. Well, the only person who has mentioned the FISA warrant

happens to be a useless RW hack from Britain, who founded a news outlet that is owned by Murdoch's News Corp.

I believe Trump colluded with Russia, based on the information I have seen.
I do not believe Louise Mensch's claims, based on the information I have seen.

She was a liar before she was anti-Trump. I'm betting she's still a liar.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #43)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:27 PM

46. Pay closer attention, instead of creating fake facts, disinformation, and character assassination

Pay attention to what is happening in real time instead of listening to your own prejudices.
Remember, it was the Republicans who got Nixon to go home and quit fucking us all over.








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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #40)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 07:49 PM

51. FISA

From today's hearing:


SCHIFF: Mr. Trump also asserted in the tweet that the application was turned down by a court. Was there any request made by the FBI or the Justice Department to wiretap Donald Trump turned down by a court?

COMEY: That is one of the subjects that I canít comment on one way or another, and please don't interpret that, but I cannot respond to anything that relates to the FISA process in an open setting.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-read-what-comey-said-today

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Response to MedusaX (Reply #51)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 07:55 PM

52. Exactly. Plus, the server wasn't in Trump Tower, it was in another state.

So, when you parse any denials about "Trump Tower" remember they do not deny the server or the warrant.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #34)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:00 PM

37. The Guardian and the BBC corroborated. Have you been napping? n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #37)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:09 PM

41. I only see links to Heat St.

Haven't seen the Guardian or BBC corroborate her claims of a FISA warrant.

Keeping in mind, if there WAS a FISA warrant, then Trump would be correct in his claims that the Obama administration tapped Trump Tower.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #41)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:33 PM

48. Check my post right below this. I give the BBC link. nt

 

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #41)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:38 PM

49. There is more to this than what you see. Do some research and find something interesting for us

instead of saying there is nothing to see.

I guess this applies to some people here also:





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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #34)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:31 PM

47. They can't officially confirm a FISA warrant in an ongoing investigation

 

So, they haven't. But it has been leaked. The BBC has confirmed that.

Here's the Beeb:

Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here?

Last April, the CIA director was shown intelligence that worried him. It was - allegedly - a tape recording of a conversation about money from the Kremlin going into the US presidential campaign.

It was passed to the US by an intelligence agency of one of the Baltic States. The CIA cannot act domestically against American citizens so a joint counter-intelligence taskforce was created.

The taskforce included six agencies or departments of government. Dealing with the domestic, US, side of the inquiry, were the FBI, the Department of the Treasury, and the Department of Justice. For the foreign and intelligence aspects of the investigation, there were another three agencies: the CIA, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Security Agency, responsible for electronic spying.

Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.

And from the Guardian:

Why James Clapper's Trump comments may not conflict with reports of secret court order

The News Corp-owned Heat Street news site and later the BBC published reports in November and January respectively that a secret surveillance order had been issued by a special court allowing the justice department to investigate two Russian banks suspected of being part of the Kremlinís efforts to hurt Hillary Clintonís campaign and aid Trumpís.

The BBC said the justice department request had originally been based on a tip-off from an intelligence agency in one of the Baltic states, saying that the banks were being used to channel Kremlin money into the US presidential campaign.

Both reports said the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa) court gave permission in mid-October for monitoring of the activities of the two banks that also covered Trump associates.


Louise reported it on Nov. 7, 2016. The BBC followed on Jan. 27, 2017.

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:03 PM

38. Have you read her blog, Patribotics? She has some interesting work there. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:21 PM

44. I recommend folllowing Louise Mensch on Twitter and following the #TrumpRussia hashtag.

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 08:19 PM

53. Just now, Roger stone is trending #1 on my Twitter feed.

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Response to L. Coyote (Original post)

Tue Mar 21, 2017, 09:28 AM

55. Is Trump the Swiftboat Admiral?

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