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Solomon

(12,305 posts)
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:20 PM Mar 2017

Please. Just Stop With The Gorsuch is Okay Threads.

That he can't be stopped. He is NOT okay. Just because repubs can install him doesn't mean Democrats should bend over and vote for him. A message needs to be sent. Let him be the guy that got absolutely no votes from the Democrats if need be. He's a fascist asshole that deserves to be saddled with the tag that only republicans voted to approve him.

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Please. Just Stop With The Gorsuch is Okay Threads. (Original Post) Solomon Mar 2017 OP
I'll second that. MineralMan Mar 2017 #1
I will third that GeoWilliam750 Mar 2017 #36
I agree, and I will add... tomp Mar 2017 #49
Agreed! Gorsuch should be asked that question. LiberalFighter Mar 2017 #58
They can ask him specifics until they're blue in the face Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #69
I keep hearing from some of the Dem talking heads... SJMULE Mar 2017 #2
That position is idiocy. Giving in to a bully just energizes them. sharedvalues Mar 2017 #3
Filibuster, filibuster, filibuster! k&r, nt appal_jack Mar 2017 #7
Let them have nothing bekkilyn Mar 2017 #16
Joe Manchin likely will. LiberalFighter Mar 2017 #59
Such dry powder they will have. nt tblue37 Mar 2017 #22
These people never learn that if you "keep your powder dry"... JHB Mar 2017 #28
Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #34
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2017 #48
This is stupid Alpeduez21 Mar 2017 #51
No. Women's, POC and LGBT equality cannot afford to wait! Crash2Parties Mar 2017 #54
Which "Dem talking heads" are you talking about? A link would be welcome. nt fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #62
Peggy Noonan's column is the only place I've seen it... Hekate Mar 2017 #66
Yes, yes, I can see how Noonan could be confused as a Dem talking head. fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #84
Strange indeed. Hard to keep track sometimes. Hekate Mar 2017 #85
Agreed. Not OK Panich52 Mar 2017 #4
Call me suspicious. Or cynical. Or distrusting... I wonder what their motives may be. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #5
We should all be more questioning about information we consume. nt fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #64
I'm not sure, but they are all over the spectrum. My guess is they aren't being disingenuous or JCanete Mar 2017 #70
"oh hitler is not THAT bad. he's just talking to get elected. he will never DO those things" etc. so msongs Mar 2017 #6
K & R PA Democrat Mar 2017 #8
He ain't okay. He's very far from okay. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #9
AMEN!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Mar 2017 #10
Agreed matt819 Mar 2017 #11
I'm disappointed that anyone here would do that. lark Mar 2017 #12
K & R SunSeeker Mar 2017 #13
Geez. I haven't been keeping up. ananda Mar 2017 #14
Because they're apparently scared of Republican retaliation bekkilyn Mar 2017 #18
I haven't seen any "Gorsuch is okay" threads here either. thesquanderer Mar 2017 #47
He's illegitimate. Like Trump. Another asterisk in American History. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #15
He sucks. He blows. He's a an abomination. His ideas are antediluvian. He can't be stopped. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #17
No to Gorsuch. He is bad news irisblue Mar 2017 #19
Conciliatory positioning does not work with Orcs. byronius Mar 2017 #20
Not only should they not vote for him, dgibby Mar 2017 #21
The only way he is ok Soxfan58 Mar 2017 #23
+1000 bronxiteforever Mar 2017 #26
Make em go Nuclear! Cryptoad Mar 2017 #24
I agree. nt fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #65
Gorsuch is Okay if you don't give a flying fuck about women's rights milestogo Mar 2017 #25
right up there with "Dubya doesn't seem so bad now" Skittles Mar 2017 #27
He is a dark money boy going to do dark deeds to our rights. bronxiteforever Mar 2017 #29
But he's so dreamy! Renew Deal Mar 2017 #30
Democrats should take a stand on this nomination. democrank Mar 2017 #31
Thank you Solomon! I agree. And am I the only one who finds skylucy Mar 2017 #32
Pretty boy, full of himself, smooth talker. TOOOOOO smooth. TOOOOO Folksy. northoftheborder Mar 2017 #50
Nope orangecrush Mar 2017 #33
I would call him "Taint." Dustlawyer Mar 2017 #35
Gorsuch is a fascist and anyone who supports any fascist appointments elmac Mar 2017 #37
He's a right wing hater! Sissyk Mar 2017 #38
I don't care if the Republicans install him NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #39
I agree...ppl normalizing this who admin like they normalized the #TraitorTrump. GAH iluvtennis Mar 2017 #40
I don't find him okay. I've been watching. And I find him quite arrogant and pompous. calimary Mar 2017 #41
What you said. dchill Mar 2017 #53
My impression too: Gorsuch is a DICK. anneboleyn Mar 2017 #55
Dear Democrats Scalded Nun Mar 2017 #42
I think Gorsuch is horrible and should be stopped, but I think the Dem strategy Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #73
No Dem. votes NewRedDawn Mar 2017 #43
he is not Merrick Garland, joet67 Mar 2017 #44
R-E-S-I-S-T!!!! hamsterjill Mar 2017 #45
prolly/probably just the JackSquatFanaticals type! stonecutter357 Mar 2017 #46
I just saw a few excerpts of his testimony. Everything about him screams Squinch Mar 2017 #52
He needs to be indentified as a politician that stole Merrick Garland's spot on the court. LiberalFighter Mar 2017 #56
He may not be OK, but he will be confirmed oberliner Mar 2017 #57
Let them confirm him then. We want no parts of it. Solomon Mar 2017 #60
Sowhat are you saying here? KPN Mar 2017 #79
Learn as much as you can about him oberliner Mar 2017 #81
Thanks for the clarification. I already know enough to be repulsed by the thought of him KPN Mar 2017 #82
He will be worse than Scalia. We must oppose at all costs. Tatiana Mar 2017 #61
I agree with you you. Gorsuch is another Clarence Thomas. And to think he will be on akbacchus_BC Mar 2017 #63
Gorsuch is okay Bucky Mar 2017 #67
Bit odd some Conservatives PatrynXX Mar 2017 #68
He's ok if you're a corporation or if you hate women's reproductive choice Orrex Mar 2017 #71
Amen, wise Solomon! Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #72
I apologize for the one I started yesterday librechik Mar 2017 #74
After Al Franken liquid diamond Mar 2017 #75
He's a piece of shit! get the red out Mar 2017 #76
Yes. Any Dem willing to lie down (or bend over) for these cons is a traitor to our values. MatthewStLouis Mar 2017 #77
Agreed Nitram Mar 2017 #78
Kudos for this OP! Haven't watched a lot of the confirmation hearing, but the little I have KPN Mar 2017 #80
There is nothing "OK" BlueMTexpat Mar 2017 #83

GeoWilliam750

(2,519 posts)
36. I will third that
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:58 PM
Mar 2017

Now that we officially know that members of the Trump team have been working with the Russians to deconstruct the US democracy, NOT ONE MORE Trump appointee should be confirmed.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
49. I agree, and I will add...
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 05:57 PM
Mar 2017

...SOMEONE should ask Grouch SPECIFICALLY what his position is on the rules for "advise and consent" per the constitution. I believe McConnell and co. were derelict in their constitutional duty to give a hearing to the President's nominee. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who would accept the nomination before giving a hearing to Garland is not fit to sit on the court. What does Gorsuch think?

LiberalFighter

(50,504 posts)
58. Agreed! Gorsuch should be asked that question.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 11:18 PM
Mar 2017

Then someone should postulate that he will not be considered the legitimate nominee to hold the position.

Rhiannon12866

(203,041 posts)
69. They can ask him specifics until they're blue in the face
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:28 AM
Mar 2017

Chuck Grassley told him to answer nothing and so that's exactly what he's doing. These hearings are a farce - and Merrick Garland is the elephant in the room which they should be addressing, but they refuse to go there.

 

SJMULE

(193 posts)
2. I keep hearing from some of the Dem talking heads...
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:24 PM
Mar 2017

let them have Gorsuch, we will filibuster the next one. Mitch will just go Nuclear on that one from the start and get a second RW nutjob on the bench with no super majority. We are screwed either way, fight now.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
3. That position is idiocy. Giving in to a bully just energizes them.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:27 PM
Mar 2017

When you get screwed like the Dems did with Garland, either you fight tooth and nail, or you let everyone know you can be walked all over.


So far the D senators are sending invitations to walk all over them.

bekkilyn

(454 posts)
16. Let them have nothing
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:20 PM
Mar 2017

I'll be very disappointed if even a *single* Dem votes to confirm Gorsuch. I haven't seen any posts here from anyone saying stuff like what's in the OP about confirming Gorsuch, but if any of them are in this thread, please, please, PLEASE grow a spine! Fighting for even a losing cause is still fighting for something.

JHB

(37,133 posts)
28. These people never learn that if you "keep your powder dry"...
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:35 PM
Mar 2017

...you actually have to use it.

Especially when the other side keeps throwing matches your way so that your carefully-hoarded powder blows up in your face.

Response to JHB (Reply #28)

Alpeduez21

(1,739 posts)
51. This is stupid
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 06:06 PM
Mar 2017

Losing now just so you can lose later is an abysmal approach.

Filibuster everything. All the time. I have not heard one good idea from this republican administration. It is not up to us to accommodate the white male majority agenda. Fuck them. It is up to them to either keep acting against the country's interests or they can reach across the aisle.

If that lying pompous scumbag McConnell chooses to force the nuclear option them better for Democrats when we retake the House and Senate.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
54. No. Women's, POC and LGBT equality cannot afford to wait!
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 10:52 PM
Mar 2017

One more conservative Christian-leaning Justice and all the progress we've made over my life time will be stripped from our laws. "Religious Liberty" laws will become the backbone of our society & discrimination will be sanctified.

We will become a de facto theocracy.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
66. Peggy Noonan's column is the only place I've seen it...
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 12:32 AM
Mar 2017

She's, you know, a Reagan speechwriter and Republican pundit.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
84. Yes, yes, I can see how Noonan could be confused as a Dem talking head.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:18 PM
Mar 2017

I try to be conscious of the diversity here and sometimes will ask if English is a posters second language. It's weird though, the account is sometimes removed.

Strange eh?

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
4. Agreed. Not OK
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:28 PM
Mar 2017

He's been nothing but evasive. And that's on top of the facts that it should be Garland in his chair answering questions and that a Russian cabal's leader nominated him from a list put together by the Heritage Foundation.

Despite evasion, he's made clear he supports Citizens United in his answer to questions by Repub senator about Hobby Lobby—that he thinks corporations are people.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
70. I'm not sure, but they are all over the spectrum. My guess is they aren't being disingenuous or
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:45 AM
Mar 2017

nefarious...they're just afraid of the consequences of fighting.

I just don't know why they wouldn't insist our Democrats stop literally the only thing we have the power to stop. I get that we might get somebody worse, but bad is bad already. Where it counts, that damage is going to be catastrophic and long enduring. Might as well make the Republicans own the nuclear option. No point in having the filibuster if we don't use it now anyhow.

msongs

(67,199 posts)
6. "oh hitler is not THAT bad. he's just talking to get elected. he will never DO those things" etc. so
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:29 PM
Mar 2017

how did that strategy work in those days?

matt819

(10,749 posts)
11. Agreed
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:09 PM
Mar 2017

Roberts and Alito were okay also, until they showed their true colors (the ACA decision was an aberration).

lark

(23,005 posts)
12. I'm disappointed that anyone here would do that.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:09 PM
Mar 2017

Gorsuch is a heartless extremely RW worker hating tool of the 1%. We can filibuster until they eliminate the filibuster, then when we win, we stop filibuster for anything and everything and push through an agenda to reverse the killing, heartless rules installed by Hair Furor and team anti-America.

ananda

(28,783 posts)
14. Geez. I haven't been keeping up.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:18 PM
Mar 2017

Some here think Gorsuch is OK?

I can't even compute that.

He is a horrible person. He's the one who tried
to rule that a truck driver be allowed to freeze
to death.

And he will always rule against women's rights,
along with workers' rights.

bekkilyn

(454 posts)
18. Because they're apparently scared of Republican retaliation
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:22 PM
Mar 2017

(Based on what I've seen in other sites...haven't actually seen the threads here.)

They're terrified that if they filibuster Gorsuch, then they'll make the Republicans upset and we can't have that.

thesquanderer

(11,955 posts)
47. I haven't seen any "Gorsuch is okay" threads here either.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 05:46 PM
Mar 2017

Maybe I missed them. But yeah, I was surprised to see the OP.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
17. He sucks. He blows. He's a an abomination. His ideas are antediluvian. He can't be stopped.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:21 PM
Mar 2017

None of those observations are mutually exclusive.

byronius

(7,369 posts)
20. Conciliatory positioning does not work with Orcs.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:25 PM
Mar 2017

And this guy's an Uruk-hai.

We should learn to fight more fiercely. They intend to exterminate our political beliefs.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
21. Not only should they not vote for him,
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:26 PM
Mar 2017

they should go on record at the hearing and state categorically that Trump shouldn't be allowed to nominate anyone to SCOTUS until or unless he is no longer under criminal investigation.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
25. Gorsuch is Okay if you don't give a flying fuck about women's rights
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:33 PM
Mar 2017

or anybody else's rights, for that matter.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
29. He is a dark money boy going to do dark deeds to our rights.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:36 PM
Mar 2017

Stolen seat and not mainstream-not ever ever Supreme Court material.

democrank

(11,052 posts)
31. Democrats should take a stand on this nomination.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:42 PM
Mar 2017

Republicans treated President Obama and his Supreme Court nomination, Merrick Garland, with such disrespect. Why on earth should Democrats reward them for it?

skylucy

(3,734 posts)
32. Thank you Solomon! I agree. And am I the only one who finds
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:44 PM
Mar 2017

"Pretty Boy" Gorsuch to be arrogant and totally full of himself?

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
35. I would call him "Taint."
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:51 PM
Mar 2017

He will be so pro corporate it will prevent any individual from being able to sue a corporation for damages. They are already changing the laws to that effect and he will uphold them.

This is what we get for ranking our politicians by how much money they have raised in legal bribes!

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
37. Gorsuch is a fascist and anyone who supports any fascist appointments
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 05:01 PM
Mar 2017

are fascist themselves and should be kicked off of DU

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
38. He's a right wing hater!
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 05:06 PM
Mar 2017

Of course, it's not okay. Our Dem Leaders are not laying down on the job. They've been very tough today.

My whole point in my post (and it may not have come across the way I wanted) was, that I am still fucking pissed off beyond belief that I think there are plenty here...on DU..that did not vote for our nominee. They helped vote in THE DEPLORABLES.

What the hell did they expect??? Oh, I know. Do-overs!!

I hope Gorsuch doesn't get the nod. But, I see the reality.

I'm much more positive about saving the ACA, knocking down the ban, and Russian ties. Hey, maybe we will get extremely lucky, and he won't make it.

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
39. I don't care if the Republicans install him
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 05:06 PM
Mar 2017

I want the Democrats to filibuster and make the Republicans change the rules for SCOTUS nominees. Then, when Democrats get the majority, they can ram through whoever they damn please.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
41. I don't find him okay. I've been watching. And I find him quite arrogant and pompous.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 05:21 PM
Mar 2017

Last edited Tue Mar 21, 2017, 08:01 PM - Edit history (1)

Maybe that's why they say he's so much like Scalia.

I find him off-putting.

But that's just me.

Why I would not support him has a LOT more to do with the fact that he should not even be in this position now. He's been nominated by a Vladimir Putin puppet, who was installed in OUR White House by a HOSTILE FOREIGN POWER.

As such, donald trump has NO business being there, in OUR White House and in OUR Oval Office.
He has no business nominating anybody to anything.
He has no business signing any fancy pieces of paper.
He has no business addressing Congress or the American People or anybody from that lectern.
He has no business striding across OUR White House lawn to climb aboard Marine One.
He has no business riding Marine One to Andrews to climb aboard Air Force One.
He has no business stopping to salute that honor guard that stands alert and whose job it is to protect him.
And I could go on.

AND THEN... there's that OTHER matter of the FBI investigation that he is now under.

I'm not a lawyer but, when Comey announced the investigations, adding that one of the things they were investigating was whether a crime had been committed - does that mean it's a criminal investigation?

Scalded Nun

(1,231 posts)
42. Dear Democrats
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 05:26 PM
Mar 2017

Read your recent confirmation history. He will just lie and tell you whatever is needed to make you happy. Then he will do whatever he wants to and you will have no recourse. Did you not learn that playbook after the Roberts and Alito hearings? Plus, this should not even an issue as you should be filibustering the nomination when it reaches that point. No vote on any justice nominated by Trump until Obama's nominee is seated. If you roll over for this you will continue to roll over for anything and everything.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
73. I think Gorsuch is horrible and should be stopped, but I think the Dem strategy
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:50 AM
Mar 2017

is that Gorsuch doesn't really change the court from when they had Scalia, and they think if they let the Rethugs have Gorsuch, and they may not be able to block him anyway if McConnell pulls the nuclear option, then they can block the next appt who will really tip the balance.

I think the Dems need to hold the line NOW, for several reasons, but that is their strategy, for at least some of them, FWIW.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
52. I just saw a few excerpts of his testimony. Everything about him screams
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 06:12 PM
Mar 2017

fake, self-satisfied, shitty man to me. He really gave me the creeps.

And there is no way Dems should OK him even if none of that were true.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
81. Learn as much as you can about him
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 01:05 PM
Mar 2017

He will be on the SC for probably the next 30+ years. Will have a huge role in shaping this country moving forward, whether we like it or not. Hopefully he will drift leftward as some previous SC justices nominated by Republicans have done.

KPN

(15,587 posts)
82. Thanks for the clarification. I already know enough to be repulsed by the thought of him
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 02:11 PM
Mar 2017

being appointed. It's pretty frigging frustrating. We gotta start playing hardball right back -- if that means the nuclear option, so be it. Maybe we can retake the Senate in 2018 and avoid another GOP appointment down the road.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
61. He will be worse than Scalia. We must oppose at all costs.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 11:54 PM
Mar 2017

Even if they use the nuclear option -- so be it! We have to stand for something. This is one of the defining issues of our time. Any Democrat who votes in favor of this snake oil salesman deserves to be primaried. This pick has the potential to shape the court for the next 20 years.

And yes, I know Manchin is a lost cause.

akbacchus_BC

(5,700 posts)
63. I agree with you you. Gorsuch is another Clarence Thomas. And to think he will be on
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 12:17 AM
Mar 2017

the SC for life is unimaginable. What were those fuckers thinking when they did not vote for Mrs. Clinton.
Thing is, only poor people will suffer under this administration.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
68. Bit odd some Conservatives
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 01:13 AM
Mar 2017

have called him a Liberal because he goes to a supposedly Liberal Church that supposedly supports abortion (supports doubt it but not #1 priority) Plenty of Justices have ended up being more left than people thought they'd be (John Roberts can never tell. Still have the ACA thanks to him. now Clarence. can't get any more ultra xtreme right as him, much farther to the right an Anthony)

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
71. He's ok if you're a corporation or if you hate women's reproductive choice
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 07:11 AM
Mar 2017

Otherwise? Not so much.

librechik

(30,663 posts)
74. I apologize for the one I started yesterday
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:54 AM
Mar 2017

I was momentarily looking at him through Colorful Colorado-tinted glasses.

Thanks to the links in the thread, I changed my mind and am back to 100% obstruction on EVERYTHING GOP

MatthewStLouis

(904 posts)
77. Yes. Any Dem willing to lie down (or bend over) for these cons is a traitor to our values.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:37 AM
Mar 2017

He can be the next nominee after Merrick Garland! If Trump in any way wanted to be President of all the people, he could start by nominating OUR rightful pick. Instead of their right-wing prick. Of course, Trump is solidly in the pocket of the alt-right neocons. He is not in any way "different" or "refreshing" like I have heard some people say in the past.

If I were in a position to ask a question of this "so-called nominee." I'd ask him 2 questions.

1) Why should we consider you over Merrick Garland, an exceptional pick, who the republicans were too chicken to even hold a vote on?

2) If we believe in no taxation without representation: how about representation without taxation? Many corporations are free to spend unlimited funds to lobby congress and influence our elections, yet rarely, if ever, pay any taxes. Billionaires get these same extraordinary "rights" as well, many of them never pay any taxes. Why are corporations and the wealthy afforded more rights than ordinary citizens? Is this FAIR?! How would you remedy this?


KPN

(15,587 posts)
80. Kudos for this OP! Haven't watched a lot of the confirmation hearing, but the little I have
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 12:09 PM
Mar 2017

shows me that Gorsuch is a very smart conniver, charlatan, confidence man. His answers all hide behind the duty of his position -- to impartially interpret and make judgements regarding the law. His record says otherwise, but his answers all seemed to go along the lines "I just do what a good judge does", i.e., he has just and only carried out the duty of his position without entertaining any moral qualms or thinking for himself. Believe that and I have a bridge you may be interested in buying. Gorsuch is just another fascist, bigoted hypocrite who would have us believe he is a saint. Don't buy it!

In the face of what happened with Garland, the illegitimacy of 45s presidency, and Gorsuch's clear and oppressive record, the Senate Democrats damned well better filibuster and then maintain it. All hell will be paid by the party if they don't -- not just because of Gorsuch but because of Democrats' relative lack of backbone especially over the past 15-20 years and the distrust that has sown among party members past (now I's, Greens or other) and present.

OBSTRUCT GORSUCH, TRUMP and the GOP!

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