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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPlease. Just Stop With The Gorsuch is Okay Threads.
That he can't be stopped. He is NOT okay. Just because repubs can install him doesn't mean Democrats should bend over and vote for him. A message needs to be sent. Let him be the guy that got absolutely no votes from the Democrats if need be. He's a fascist asshole that deserves to be saddled with the tag that only republicans voted to approve him.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)GeoWilliam750
(2,519 posts)Now that we officially know that members of the Trump team have been working with the Russians to deconstruct the US democracy, NOT ONE MORE Trump appointee should be confirmed.
tomp
(9,512 posts)...SOMEONE should ask Grouch SPECIFICALLY what his position is on the rules for "advise and consent" per the constitution. I believe McConnell and co. were derelict in their constitutional duty to give a hearing to the President's nominee. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who would accept the nomination before giving a hearing to Garland is not fit to sit on the court. What does Gorsuch think?
LiberalFighter
(50,504 posts)Then someone should postulate that he will not be considered the legitimate nominee to hold the position.
Rhiannon12866
(203,041 posts)Chuck Grassley told him to answer nothing and so that's exactly what he's doing. These hearings are a farce - and Merrick Garland is the elephant in the room which they should be addressing, but they refuse to go there.
SJMULE
(193 posts)let them have Gorsuch, we will filibuster the next one. Mitch will just go Nuclear on that one from the start and get a second RW nutjob on the bench with no super majority. We are screwed either way, fight now.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)When you get screwed like the Dems did with Garland, either you fight tooth and nail, or you let everyone know you can be walked all over.
So far the D senators are sending invitations to walk all over them.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)bekkilyn
(454 posts)I'll be very disappointed if even a *single* Dem votes to confirm Gorsuch. I haven't seen any posts here from anyone saying stuff like what's in the OP about confirming Gorsuch, but if any of them are in this thread, please, please, PLEASE grow a spine! Fighting for even a losing cause is still fighting for something.
LiberalFighter
(50,504 posts)tblue37
(64,982 posts)JHB
(37,133 posts)...you actually have to use it.
Especially when the other side keeps throwing matches your way so that your carefully-hoarded powder blows up in your face.
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Alpeduez21
(1,739 posts)Losing now just so you can lose later is an abysmal approach.
Filibuster everything. All the time. I have not heard one good idea from this republican administration. It is not up to us to accommodate the white male majority agenda. Fuck them. It is up to them to either keep acting against the country's interests or they can reach across the aisle.
If that lying pompous scumbag McConnell chooses to force the nuclear option them better for Democrats when we retake the House and Senate.
Crash2Parties
(6,017 posts)One more conservative Christian-leaning Justice and all the progress we've made over my life time will be stripped from our laws. "Religious Liberty" laws will become the backbone of our society & discrimination will be sanctified.
We will become a de facto theocracy.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)She's, you know, a Reagan speechwriter and Republican pundit.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)I try to be conscious of the diversity here and sometimes will ask if English is a posters second language. It's weird though, the account is sometimes removed.
Strange eh?
Hekate
(90,202 posts)Panich52
(5,829 posts)He's been nothing but evasive. And that's on top of the facts that it should be Garland in his chair answering questions and that a Russian cabal's leader nominated him from a list put together by the Heritage Foundation.
Despite evasion, he's made clear he supports Citizens United in his answer to questions by Repub senator about Hobby Lobbythat he thinks corporations are people.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)nefarious...they're just afraid of the consequences of fighting.
I just don't know why they wouldn't insist our Democrats stop literally the only thing we have the power to stop. I get that we might get somebody worse, but bad is bad already. Where it counts, that damage is going to be catastrophic and long enduring. Might as well make the Republicans own the nuclear option. No point in having the filibuster if we don't use it now anyhow.
msongs
(67,199 posts)how did that strategy work in those days?
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(9,777 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)Roberts and Alito were okay also, until they showed their true colors (the ACA decision was an aberration).
lark
(23,005 posts)Gorsuch is a heartless extremely RW worker hating tool of the 1%. We can filibuster until they eliminate the filibuster, then when we win, we stop filibuster for anything and everything and push through an agenda to reverse the killing, heartless rules installed by Hair Furor and team anti-America.
SunSeeker
(51,378 posts)ananda
(28,783 posts)Some here think Gorsuch is OK?
I can't even compute that.
He is a horrible person. He's the one who tried
to rule that a truck driver be allowed to freeze
to death.
And he will always rule against women's rights,
along with workers' rights.
bekkilyn
(454 posts)(Based on what I've seen in other sites...haven't actually seen the threads here.)
They're terrified that if they filibuster Gorsuch, then they'll make the Republicans upset and we can't have that.
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)Maybe I missed them. But yeah, I was surprised to see the OP.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,705 posts)None of those observations are mutually exclusive.
irisblue
(32,829 posts)byronius
(7,369 posts)And this guy's an Uruk-hai.
We should learn to fight more fiercely. They intend to exterminate our political beliefs.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)they should go on record at the hearing and state categorically that Trump shouldn't be allowed to nominate anyone to SCOTUS until or unless he is no longer under criminal investigation.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Is if he is Merrick Garland.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)or anybody else's rights, for that matter.
Skittles
(152,967 posts)you are correct, GORSUCH SUCKS
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Stolen seat and not mainstream-not ever ever Supreme Court material.
Renew Deal
(81,803 posts)democrank
(11,052 posts)Republicans treated President Obama and his Supreme Court nomination, Merrick Garland, with such disrespect. Why on earth should Democrats reward them for it?
skylucy
(3,734 posts)"Pretty Boy" Gorsuch to be arrogant and totally full of himself?
northoftheborder
(7,566 posts)orangecrush
(19,237 posts)Calling Bob Casey now.
Dustlawyer
(10,493 posts)He will be so pro corporate it will prevent any individual from being able to sue a corporation for damages. They are already changing the laws to that effect and he will uphold them.
This is what we get for ranking our politicians by how much money they have raised in legal bribes!
elmac
(4,642 posts)are fascist themselves and should be kicked off of DU
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Of course, it's not okay. Our Dem Leaders are not laying down on the job. They've been very tough today.
My whole point in my post (and it may not have come across the way I wanted) was, that I am still fucking pissed off beyond belief that I think there are plenty here...on DU..that did not vote for our nominee. They helped vote in THE DEPLORABLES.
What the hell did they expect??? Oh, I know. Do-overs!!
I hope Gorsuch doesn't get the nod. But, I see the reality.
I'm much more positive about saving the ACA, knocking down the ban, and Russian ties. Hey, maybe we will get extremely lucky, and he won't make it.
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)I want the Democrats to filibuster and make the Republicans change the rules for SCOTUS nominees. Then, when Democrats get the majority, they can ram through whoever they damn please.
iluvtennis
(19,758 posts)calimary
(80,700 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 21, 2017, 08:01 PM - Edit history (1)
Maybe that's why they say he's so much like Scalia.
I find him off-putting.
But that's just me.
Why I would not support him has a LOT more to do with the fact that he should not even be in this position now. He's been nominated by a Vladimir Putin puppet, who was installed in OUR White House by a HOSTILE FOREIGN POWER.
As such, donald trump has NO business being there, in OUR White House and in OUR Oval Office.
He has no business nominating anybody to anything.
He has no business signing any fancy pieces of paper.
He has no business addressing Congress or the American People or anybody from that lectern.
He has no business striding across OUR White House lawn to climb aboard Marine One.
He has no business riding Marine One to Andrews to climb aboard Air Force One.
He has no business stopping to salute that honor guard that stands alert and whose job it is to protect him.
And I could go on.
AND THEN... there's that OTHER matter of the FBI investigation that he is now under.
I'm not a lawyer but, when Comey announced the investigations, adding that one of the things they were investigating was whether a crime had been committed - does that mean it's a criminal investigation?
dchill
(38,324 posts)And it's not just you.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Scalded Nun
(1,231 posts)Read your recent confirmation history. He will just lie and tell you whatever is needed to make you happy. Then he will do whatever he wants to and you will have no recourse. Did you not learn that playbook after the Roberts and Alito hearings? Plus, this should not even an issue as you should be filibustering the nomination when it reaches that point. No vote on any justice nominated by Trump until Obama's nominee is seated. If you roll over for this you will continue to roll over for anything and everything.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)is that Gorsuch doesn't really change the court from when they had Scalia, and they think if they let the Rethugs have Gorsuch, and they may not be able to block him anyway if McConnell pulls the nuclear option, then they can block the next appt who will really tip the balance.
I think the Dems need to hold the line NOW, for several reasons, but that is their strategy, for at least some of them, FWIW.
NewRedDawn
(790 posts)None! zero! Stolen pick. Let Moscow Mitch change the rules & hang him with it!
joet67
(624 posts)so he's not OK with me
hamsterjill
(15,214 posts)n/t
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)Squinch
(50,774 posts)fake, self-satisfied, shitty man to me. He really gave me the creeps.
And there is no way Dems should OK him even if none of that were true.
LiberalFighter
(50,504 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's important to recognize that reality.
Solomon
(12,305 posts)None.
KPN
(15,587 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)He will be on the SC for probably the next 30+ years. Will have a huge role in shaping this country moving forward, whether we like it or not. Hopefully he will drift leftward as some previous SC justices nominated by Republicans have done.
KPN
(15,587 posts)being appointed. It's pretty frigging frustrating. We gotta start playing hardball right back -- if that means the nuclear option, so be it. Maybe we can retake the Senate in 2018 and avoid another GOP appointment down the road.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Even if they use the nuclear option -- so be it! We have to stand for something. This is one of the defining issues of our time. Any Democrat who votes in favor of this snake oil salesman deserves to be primaried. This pick has the potential to shape the court for the next 20 years.
And yes, I know Manchin is a lost cause.
akbacchus_BC
(5,700 posts)the SC for life is unimaginable. What were those fuckers thinking when they did not vote for Mrs. Clinton.
Thing is, only poor people will suffer under this administration.
Bucky
(53,804 posts)nyah nyah!
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)have called him a Liberal because he goes to a supposedly Liberal Church that supposedly supports abortion (supports doubt it but not #1 priority) Plenty of Justices have ended up being more left than people thought they'd be (John Roberts can never tell. Still have the ACA thanks to him. now Clarence. can't get any more ultra xtreme right as him, much farther to the right an Anthony)
Orrex
(63,086 posts)Otherwise? Not so much.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)librechik
(30,663 posts)I was momentarily looking at him through Colorful Colorado-tinted glasses.
Thanks to the links in the thread, I changed my mind and am back to 100% obstruction on EVERYTHING GOP
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)exposed him, I don't see how any DU member could consider Gorsuch to be OK.
get the red out
(13,459 posts)Anti-women's reproductive rights. He can go to hell.
MatthewStLouis
(904 posts)He can be the next nominee after Merrick Garland! If Trump in any way wanted to be President of all the people, he could start by nominating OUR rightful pick. Instead of their right-wing prick. Of course, Trump is solidly in the pocket of the alt-right neocons. He is not in any way "different" or "refreshing" like I have heard some people say in the past.
If I were in a position to ask a question of this "so-called nominee." I'd ask him 2 questions.
1) Why should we consider you over Merrick Garland, an exceptional pick, who the republicans were too chicken to even hold a vote on?
2) If we believe in no taxation without representation: how about representation without taxation? Many corporations are free to spend unlimited funds to lobby congress and influence our elections, yet rarely, if ever, pay any taxes. Billionaires get these same extraordinary "rights" as well, many of them never pay any taxes. Why are corporations and the wealthy afforded more rights than ordinary citizens? Is this FAIR?! How would you remedy this?
Nitram
(22,671 posts)KPN
(15,587 posts)shows me that Gorsuch is a very smart conniver, charlatan, confidence man. His answers all hide behind the duty of his position -- to impartially interpret and make judgements regarding the law. His record says otherwise, but his answers all seemed to go along the lines "I just do what a good judge does", i.e., he has just and only carried out the duty of his position without entertaining any moral qualms or thinking for himself. Believe that and I have a bridge you may be interested in buying. Gorsuch is just another fascist, bigoted hypocrite who would have us believe he is a saint. Don't buy it!
In the face of what happened with Garland, the illegitimacy of 45s presidency, and Gorsuch's clear and oppressive record, the Senate Democrats damned well better filibuster and then maintain it. All hell will be paid by the party if they don't -- not just because of Gorsuch but because of Democrats' relative lack of backbone especially over the past 15-20 years and the distrust that has sown among party members past (now I's, Greens or other) and present.
OBSTRUCT GORSUCH, TRUMP and the GOP!
BlueMTexpat
(15,349 posts)about Gorsuch or his nomination.
He is an illegitimate nominee. Period.