AL FRANKEN totally ROCKS!! He's a TRUE DEMOCRAT!!

[NurseJackie]

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That was a thing of beauty! I love to listen to him speak... so calm and measured. He's focused and on-point.

He's friendly and disarming... but you know he means business. He doesn't need to SHOUT to be heard. His demeanor and sincerity are what command attention. He doesn't need to rely on distracting gimmicks.

Man, oh man! That was great!

We need more TRUE DEMOCRATS like Al Franken!

Honest tagod... he makes me PROUD to be a Democrat!

[Sculpin Beauregard]

1. It's what true integrity

And high intelligence and wit looks like. Go Al! America needs a hero (or an army of them) right now!

[Ninga]

2. Completely awesome! Nt

[Vinca]

3. I'm starting to think Al in 2020.

[Odoreida]

58. I'd vote for him n/t

[Runningdawg]

59. I hope I get the chance

[Amaryllis]

79. FRanken/Schiff or Schiff/FRanken 2020

[calimary]

151. Now THAT'S something I could definitely get behind.

I was thinking Schiff would be a good candidate to replace Dianne Feinstein if she decides she doesn't want another term.

But he's REALLY outdone himself, proven himself an extremely knowledgeable, dedicated, and sympathetic political character. He's played it SO clean. REALLY proud of him! He's built his public profile so well! Done a FABULOUS job for us Democrats! And he's young enough still to have lots of tread left on his tires. He's a gift that can keep on giving.

Bench strength! Because we HAVE TO look ahead to 2020 as well as to 2018.

MAN would I love to see him, OR Franken, in the White House. OMG!!!! That would be so much fun!!!

[Amaryllis]

155. Schiff for SCOTUS! ALthough I think i'd rather have him in Senate or Pres or VP. He would

be exceptional in any of those while there are many judges who would be good on SCOTUS.

[MBS]

128. I'd vote for him, too. n/t

[Wellstone ruled]

4. The Facial expression on Gorsuch's

face was priceless.

[sheshe2]

5. Al Franken

Thank you.

[Cosmocat]

6. Yep - he's the sharpest guy in the room

nm

[Cha]

7. Wish I could have seen it..

Mahalo, Jackie!

[SticksnStones]

12. Hey Cha it's all over YouTube

Here's one clip

[NurseJackie]

14. Thank you! That's a great clip!!

[lapucelle]

81. Witnesses and nominees routinely underestimate him.

He's disarming and his folksy demeanor make them think that he's a lightweight. And then the hammer comes down, and the moral bankruptcy is exposed for all to see.

I'm proud to have him as a fellow Democrat and think that Schumer should give him a leadership role.

[George II]

132. "I had a career in identifying absurdity, and I know it when I see it"! That is ONE GREAT line!!!!

[NurseJackie]

133. Franken DELIVERS!! He knows how to land a punch!!

His overall demeanor and his propensity toward deadpan zingers keep the focus on the TARGET of the inquisition.

Franken avoids making a total spectacle of himself, he knows how to be aggressive without being a total asshole *.

Franken cornered him, backed him into a corner, then grabbed Gorsuch's reigns and led him right where he wanted. I've never seen him do anything that distracts from his message or his goal. Franken is a pro! He's a complete master at this!

* Remember the Benghazi hearings?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

145. ❤ it's pretty cool knowing him since his SNL days.

What a bright light! Love that mind!

Franken/Obama 2020!!!! 😄❤

[Cha]

15. Great! thank you, SticksnStones.. I've

been in and out all day.. can't settle yet but looking forward to seeing this!

[SticksnStones]

138. Please don't think me rude for taking so long to say, you're welcome

I posted and then ran errands all day yesterday.

[Cha]

139. No, I don't think you're rude.. just the opposite!

Thank you, again

[wryter2000]

16. Marking for later

Love me some Al Franken. I wish he was still on the radio.

[appal_jack]

62. This is incredibly insightful questioning by a knowledgable & dedicated Senator! nt

[bettyellen]

72. Thanks S and S!

[George II]

131. That man is brilliant. I just checked his biography, I see he doesn't have a law degree yet he's...

...almost fluent in law.

But he's a graduate from Harvard, finishing in the top 25% of his class.

Imagine if he'd gone into government when he was younger?

[SticksnStones]

137. Think of all the comedy and books we'd have missed!

I'm decidedly in the Franken 2020 camp BTW ~

I think he's got the gravitas now that he's served in the Senate...he's smart, prepared, and he seems to be able to read more than nine bullets points per a page unlike the current occupant of our WH.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

146. Thank you SticksnStones!

👍🏾

[SticksnStones]

147. A pleasure to be a part of this community

[BlancheSplanchnik]

168. I agree!

Definitely

[Lucky Luciano]

149. Excellent clip. nt

[mcar]

8. He got under Gorsuch's skin

After the fawning idiocy of the Rs, it was great to see.

[R B Garr]

28. Yes! He did rattle him. Gorsuch

definitely acted put upon.

[ismnotwasm]

9. He was excellent

And I do hope recent events put to rest the ever so annoying "What are Democrats doing about it" questions that seem to pop up now and again.

[NurseJackie]

13. Franken is a breath of fresh air... he makes me proud to be a Democrat.

[bunnies]

19. I like Franken too.

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But that doesn't prevent me from seeing what you're doing. It's not necessary.

[NurseJackie]

23. I'm singing the praises of a Al Franken (D) a Democratic Senator that I admire ...

... for his temperament and demeanor, for his steady and calm manner. He's a man that has earned my respect. His words and deeds give people a reason to be proud for being Democrats. He renews the spirit of Democrats in this difficult time. He's a beacon that will bring new voters and new supporters to our great Democratic Party.

He's very under-appreciated and it's about time that someone sings his praises. I think it's very necessary, thank you.

19. I like Frankenstein too.

Oh, good grief. How clever.

[JHan]

24. how dare you praise a democrat!

how very dare you!

(lol)

[NurseJackie]

25. I know, right? Weird, huh?

[JHan]

27. lol

[bunnies]

36. This is the kind of thing certain people do when they miss the point.

(lol)

[JHan]

39. that's what I type when I "lol".

it ain't that serious.

[lapucelle]

63. You must have hit a nerve, JHan.

You just got the newbie diss.

[JHan]

68. lol..

had to happen eventually I guess

[7962]

40. Obviously i'm missing a lot on this one......

[NastyRiffraff]

46. Oh please

Playing the victim doesn't become you. The only person who mentioned Sanders was you. You're the one who came in and shitted on a thread about a good Democrat.

[NastyRiffraff]

53. Did some research, eh?

You seem to have issues with how long people have been here. Really, you shouldn't shit on other people's carpet.

[beam me up scottie]

54. I think this is hilarious. Al and Bernie are both WONDERFUL PROGRESSIVES.

Those liberal lions are obviously still pissing off the right people. You should see them swarm on social media whenever Al or Bernie get their attention. Thank dog they're on our side.

Go Al! Go Bernie!

[R B Garr]

66. You desperately need some new material.

Did you see the liberal lion, Al Franken, question Gorsuch? This thread is about the liberal lion, Al Franken.

Edit, and speaking of current/relevant news, Rachel just did a segment about all the fake news sources that targeted Bernie supporters. Sounds like you may have been targeted by those perps since you have a lot of fake news references. You should watch Rachel's show.

[betsuni]

129. About the new material, that's for sure.

Same old generic insults, what a bore.

[beam me up scottie]

67. Personally I love ALL of our liberal lions - Al, Bernie, Elizabeth - the louder the better.

One would have to be petty and stupid to not appreciate ALL of our wonderful PROGRESSIVES in the Senate. Or to pretend that being a LOUD ANGRY PROGRESSIVE is a BAD thing.

Thank dog no actual liberal would ever make a spectacle out of themselves using praise for one to make another look bad.

LET'S HEAR IT FOR AL, ELIZABETH, BERNIE AND ALL OF OUR PROGRESSIVES!!!

[R B Garr]

69. Wow, wrong again. This happens a lot.

You do realize that many "actual liberals" (your words) were irrationally critical of our progressive nominee, Hillary Clinton. Rachel did a show tonight on how much fake news about Hillary was generated to damage her. It was quite a "spectacle", watching all that fake news knowing we were being trolled.

[George II]

134. The thing is that there is a VERY important hearing going on in the Senate Judiciary Committee....

...regarding the lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court of a conservative judge.

Al Franken has been doing an excellent job of questioning the candidate, and has been the standout Democrat during this hearing.

As much as we admire them, Elizabeth Warren and Bernard Sanders are not on that Committee and are not involved in any current hearings by the Senate.

[LiberalLovinLug]

153. +1000

Its time to stop crapping all over our allies. Especially now when we need to all stand together.

GO ELIZABETH
GO AL
GO BERNIE!

[R B Garr]

84. Hillary Clinton was a most progressive candidate,

though, and she was attacked by "actual liberals", or whatever category you put them in. I doubt that you attacked her, though, just to make Bernie look better. You said here you would never do that, so...

You should rec this thread for the liberal lion, Al Franken.

[BainsBane]

93. That's interesting

because you seem to be put out over this thread. Most people simply responded positively about Al, but somehow you found the thread objectionable. If the point were merely to express support for Al Franken as a progressive lion of the Senate, there would be no need to insult those who speak favorably of him as "right wing trolls." To pretend to care about unity while insulting Democrats on this board strains credulity.

There is another site (unified by the goal of keeping the Democratic nominee from becoming president) where people actively defend Trump day in and day out, yet I don't see you criticizing them, despite being an active member there for a year. Instead you are now implying that support for the Democratic Party makes someone a "right-wing Trump troll." It reminds me of a recent article I read where the author insisted that being "progressive" meant defending Trump against allegations of collusion with Russia. They went on to insist that shielding Trump would deal yet another blow to the "establishment," which for them means the Democratic Party but not the GOP. What they call "progressive" is in fact Republican.

The salient point--the ONLY point that matters--is whether someone voted for Hillary and other Democrats in the 2016 general election and whether they will continue to vote for Democrats. Anything else is collaboration with fascism. Anyone who failed to stand up to Trump by not voting for Clinton in the GE chose fascism. What they call themselves is irrelevant. Their actions define them. Being a loyal Democratic voter who respects a Democratic Senator does not make someone a "right wing troll," anymore than continued defense of the fascist in the White House can be anything other than extreme right-wing hate mongering.

[BainsBane]

103. Ah, that's not what you said here:

You really ought to take care of the evidence before calling people liars.

beam me up scottie (55,191 posts)
54. Jack's place is a great refuge!

No bigotry, no trash talking about DU, no whining - just a positive place where Bernie supporters can hang without having to watch their backs.

Why if I were a member I might just feel like a refugee who found sanctuary.

I'll keep posting here because I still think of this as my home too, DU got me through the Bush years and I've made a lot of great friends.

from Refugee!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=87453

(Don't worry. I took a screenshot in case that post should suddenly get self-deleted.)

[R B Garr]

109. Interesting! Looks like the reference to annoying

"conservatives" at some mysterious website got edited out, too. That was quite a phony disguise.

[George II]

123. Ouch.

[betsuni]

125. Heh

[NastyRiffraff]

154. Oopsie! :D

[JustAnotherGen]

185. Oops

[sheshe2]

191. Yowser!!!!!!

[Cha]

110. All I see from you are personal attacks and insults. If you think that

is the way to advocate for anyone.. you are mistaken.

[beam me up scottie]

89. Everyone should support ALL of our progressives in the Senate - like AL and BERNIE.

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I support ALL of our WONDERFUL PROGRESSIVES like AL and BERNIE and ELIZABETH.

[R B Garr]

92. So back to reality.....

Hillary Clinton was attacked by "actual liberals" (your words). Did you call those folks swine? Or smelly, warty trolls (your words)? Rachel did a whole show tonight on how Hillary was savaged online by Russian bots targeting Bernie supporters to influence our election. That's where "actual liberals" should be targeting their rage.

This is a great thread to rec for the liberal lion, Al Franken,btw.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

96. I don't know why you are seeing disagreement here. Let's support all our liberal heroes.

Al Franken really opened my eyes with his books and later his radio show.

I've been a Democrat my whole life. And I've known the republicans have been fucking us my entire life.

But Lies And The Lying Liars really opened my eyes. That and the Franken radio show.

From there, Thom Hartmann and subsequently Bernie Sanders' Brunch With Bernie.

So let's support all our liberal heros currently working every day calling out republican bullshit.

Here's to Al Franken and Bernie Sanders!!!!!!

[R B Garr]

99. Nothing you say matches what I wrote.

How strange, but it looks like a way to type Bernie's name. You should watch Rachel's show from tonight! It's an excellent analysis into the fake news generated by Russian bots to negatively influence Bernie supporters.

Next you need to stop watching Russian TV! That is a negative influence. There is a reason Thom Hartmann is not on prime time.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

104. I saw it. I don't twitter or Facebook (until very recently) and have never seen Rt except the few ..

... clips posted here.

Hopefully Thom will ditch RT. I doubt he needs it. I've been listening to Thom on radio for ever.

I'm sure he can do just fine with his nationaliy syndicated radio show. And keep on pushing a true progressive agenda with people like Bernie Sanders on his show once a week.

[R B Garr]

122. Bernie should be pushing for ways to actually get elected.

Sitting on the sidelines criticizing others' efforts is just pointless and self-defeating. I certainly wouldn't hang my hat on empty rhetoric anymore. It's clear that getting elected is the main goal. Purity standards is just time-wasting, navel-gazing.

Speaking of pointless navel-gazing, Thom is not a very good presenter. He relies on too many assumptions and not enough linear thought and conclusions to really be effective. I have tried to listen to him, but he makes leaps to conclusions that can only make sense if you know the emotional shorthand he is promoting. Others who rely on more realistic info like a more linear presentation, which is why Rachel Maddow is so good.

Certainly, not listening to Thom on Russian radio hardly is a way to pass judgment on other Democrats. It's just more pointless and tiresome preening over who has the most liberal creds, and that is at the core of the divisiveness that the Russians exploited to keep Democrats divided. Back to reality!

[BainsBane]

165. I must say I have trouble understanding

why so many want their elected representatives to serve as media entertainers rather than doing their jobs in congress.
Surely we need Bernie in the Senate more than on TV and radio. Some is fine, but he's got to have time to do the job he's paid for.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

176. I agree with you. I'm sure you have a problem understanding how a representative can...

... spend an hour a week calling in to a nationally syndicated radio show to push liberal ideals and programs to millions of listeners.

We wouldn't want our representatives spreading progressive ideals to actual voters.

[BainsBane]

189. You're talking about entertainment

Not interfacing with voters. His constituents are in VT, and he already does several television appearances a week. Are you suggesting he give up television for radio or that he give up legislating for media?

ICE is conducting raids in VT. I have a friend, who supported him in the primary and continues to support him, who was on FB imploring people around the country to call him to get him to act on behalf of his constituents. She said Leahy was starting to slowly act but Sanders hadn't, as of this morning. Was his lack of attention to the matter due to other commitments? If so, he already appears to be strapped for time.

[Cary]

130. True, and I don't get it

You have smears that clearly have been generated by "conservatives" for 30 years, nonstop. And we have acknowledged over and over and over that "conservatives" are liars, and we rightfully condemn them for this. And then we add Russian oligarchs and trolls to the mix and the same people who condemned "conservatives" over and over resurrect the same lies and smears and dust them off a little and offer them up to us as if those lies and smears were gospel.

I don't get it. I don't get it.

And then these people use that cognitive dissonance to gaslight us.

[sheshe2]

192. They said all that???

OMG!

[R B Garr]

95. Three (3) edits to remove all that name calling, lol

You should watch Rachel's show from tonight where she clearly lays out how manipulated Bernie supporters were by Russian propaganda (fake news). You will recognize some of your irrational rage in her work, as well as a lot of the methods you engage in. Supporting Democrats does not make one evil or all the other nasty names you hurled. Watch Rachel's show.

[BainsBane]

100. That's removing the name calling?

Gosh. Glad I didn't see the original version.

[R B Garr]

102. Yeah, the original and second are true specimens.

Kinda scary, actually.

[ismnotwasm]

121. Omg!

[Cha]

111. I support those who aren't divisive like Senators Warren, Franken,

Amy Klobuchar, Tammy Baldwin, Tammy Duckworth, Patty Murray, Debbie Stabenow.. etc etc..

Oh and the Reps.. Adam Schiff, Denny Heck, John Lewis, James Clyburn.. etc etc..

[NurseJackie]

120. All of those are GREAT Democrats. What sets them apart from other ORDINARY politicians is...

... that they know WHO the real enemy is. They're LOYAL Democrats who respect and value the Democratic Party. They understand that the GOP must be the target of our attacks and that it's FOOLISH and SHORT SIGHTED to attack our own.

Thanks for pointing them out and reminding us all of these talented and patriotic and loyal members of the Democratic Party.

Individuals like this are shining examples of why the Democratic Party is an honorable institution... and through their tireless efforts, through the examples they set... they are bringing in new members and new voters that will support the Democratic Party.

All of these individuals are heads and shoulders above those who smear and attack the Democratic Party, and who insinuate that our party is morally bankrupt (and other lies). Those are the types of public smears that divide our members, and that drive away potential new members, new voters, new donors. It perpetuates the myth that "both-parties-are-the-same", when anyone can see the obvious truth.

We've got a great line-up! When it comes to national politics and elections, have a wealth of amazing talent to choose from in the coming years.

It's true that 2018 and 2020 are "right around the corner" ... it's fun to imagine and fantasize about who it may be. I like to think of the possibilities as well. But I'm not going to let that be a distraction for me.

Between now and then, I'll continue to SING MY PRAISES of the politicians that I ADMIRE THE MOST. For the politicians who represent the BEST of what the Democratic Party has to offer, I'll shower them with compliments and adoration.

Why? Because Americans need to know, and need to be PROUD of all the great talent that our party has to offer.

[Cha]

126. "It perpetuates the myth that "both-parties-are-the-same", when anyone can see the obvious truth"

Nailed it as we say, Jackie. Right to the heart of the matter..

Our strong Democratic Principles.. for those who are scratching their heads..

Raise Incomes and Restore Economic Security for the Middle Class
□ Raising Workers’ Wages
□ Protecting Workers’ Fundamental Rights
□ Supporting Working Families
□ Helping More Workers Share in Near-Record Corporate Profits
□ Expanding Access to Affordable Housing and Homeownership
□ Protecting and Expanding Social Security
□ Ensuring a Secure and Dignified Retirement
□ Revitalizing Our Nation’s Postal Service

Much More to the story~ https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

And, of course, Net Neutrality!

[NurseJackie]

141. Thanks for posting that, Cha! We've got to ACCENTUATE the positive and ELIMINATE the negative!

[Cha]

142. And, Don't Mess with Mr In-Between!

That was always one of my faves..

[Lordquinton]

170. Seconded

We need to support all the voices we have in the Senate. They are all valuable.

[mcar]

82. Are you seriously being criticized for praising a Democrat?

Here, on Democratic Underground?

[NastyRiffraff]

45. So we're not allowed to praise a good Democrat?

Good grief.

[bunnies]

50. Another one misses the point.

The complement is wrapped in an insult. Ffs.

[NastyRiffraff]

56. The POINT of the OP and this thread until you inserted your sad into it

is and was admiration of Al Franken. I have no idea why you're so offended by that.

[Beartracks]

85. I saw it: Noting that Franken doesn't shout...

... is not in praise of Franken, but rather is a swipe at Sanders.

Thought that was fairly obvious.



But then, the OP would probably be the first to point out that Sanders is also not a Democrat who shouts.



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[NastyRiffraff]

98. Suddenly no Democrat can be praised here?

I've seen many OPs praising Sanders. Is he the only Dem.. liberal who can be praised?

And how did this thread become about Sanders anyway? It wasn't the OP, or people adding their admiration of Al Franken. I wonder how? Hmmmmmmmmmm

[Beartracks]

197. I'm just observing. Of course people can praise Democrats here.

Who's saying that can't be done? I haven't seen a post like that.



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[Cha]

75. What's with calling Senator Al Franken "Frankenstein"?

That doesn't speak well that you.. ".. like" him

[NurseJackie]

127. That whole thing was strange.

Are people totally unaware that previous versions (edits) can be viewed? Saying outrageous things, then editing, then feigning innocence is about as sophisticated a deception as the adolescent who sits in class reading a comic book that's "hidden" inside a propped-up history book.

[pangaia]

159. Touche...

Thank you for stating the obvious..

[bunnies]

38. No wagging fingers and no damn raised voice.

Trumps not bad enough to be truly angry over! Besides, I don't know if you know this, but Bernies NOT A DEMOCRAT! Hopefully, he aspires to be more like Joe Manchin in the future. THEN "democrats" could finally accept him.

[beam me up scottie]

43. I like Al and Bernie.

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I proudly supported the loud, angry independent senator from Vermont and even voted for Jim Jeffords who was *GASP* a Republican at the time.


*note to jury: false alarm, I was referring to previous votes for Bernie - I didn't write his name in or vote third party in the General, I did whatever I could keep Trump out of office, both in and out of the voting booth.

[beam me up scottie]

49. Self flagellation.

We committed an unforgivable sin. And we still haven't repented.

Hair shirts all around.

Shame on us. SHAME!

[mountain grammy]

60. Will a fiddle do?

Franken was great and often dismissive of Gorsuch,which was well deserved. As much a I appreciate Al Franken, I have no problem with any Democrat showing some passion here, and maybe even waving their finger in the air.. gasp!
I'm not fucking calm and I don't expect anyone in my party to be, and I'm sure Franken isn't... like I said before, if Democrats don't filibuster this prick, I'll have to wonder why I'm still a Democrat.

[beam me up scottie]

61. Why, that's kind of you, mountain grammy! It'll do just fine.

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My dad was a feisty liberal New Yawker too, when he got worked up about politics he would shout, point fingers and get red in the face, I loved it and him for being so passionate.

Being a loud proud liberal is a GOOD thing.

Hell I catch myself shouting at Twitler on television, this is not the time for our leaders to be calm. And there is never a good time to be polite about injustice.

Thankfully our progressive senators like Al and Bernie aren't worried about their tone. In fact Bernie was attacked by the media last week for calling Trump a liar. That's the kind of fighter we need right now. No holds barred!

[mountain grammy]

64. No problem..

You've always been one of my favorites on this board, BMUS!

My mom was a New York (don't call me a 'progressive') liberal too. A fighter of fascists and racists. She would have been 105 on the day the American fascist was sworn in.. glad she wasn't here to see it.

[beam me up scottie]

65. Back atcha!

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I'm glad my mom who escaped Nazi Germany and loved Bernie wasn't alive to see what happened in November either.

It would have broken her heart.

***

How odd. I post about my mother escaping Nazi Germany and it's used as an opportunity to post excerpts from someone at another website who isn't me. Someone with an aversion to punctuation whose posting style doesn't even remotely resemble mine.

I only use 'beam me up scottie' here, apparently there is another member who posts elsewhere using the handle BeamMeUp. I also go by Refugee but I haven't used that name for over a year.

Thanks for the attention, though. I love my fans.

And I forgive you for disrespecting my mother. She would want me to.

[Hortensis]

164. "Jack's place is a great refuge...just a positive place?"

BeamMeUp, inspired by that amazing statement, I just went over, opened one thread ("Party leaders worry the Bernie Sanders wing will apply ideological purity tests&quot , and chose this from close to the top:

"If I wanted to vote for a corporate whore theres always one available with an R next to his/her name. Dont confuse me by running one with a D, I don’t want to have to think. I’ll just vote for the R where I know what I’m getting instead of having to guess."

Admittedly, it's a little...plainspoken, but not more than some others, and it is certainly in sympathy with the bizarrely twisted general attitude of that thread. Democrats are as corrupt as Republicans. Would what these supposed Sanders supporters have come to have broken her heart also?

[trotsky]

166. WTF?

What does that have to do with anything?

[BainsBane]

195. one of the posts removed above

commented on another reference to JPR (by me), insisting anyone who suggested she posted there was a liar.
It's understandably difficult to follow the train of conversation with posts removed and edited so many times.

[NurseJackie]

167. Wow! That's really something!

It doesn't seem very positive to me.

[LostOne4Ever]

173. Really? You use a post about deceased mothers to attack another poster? -.-

Using a post the poster you are replying to never made or commented on at that...

[Act_of_Reparation]

178. What. The. Actual. Fuck.

Someone posts about their dead mother and you take it as an opportunity to dredge up primary bullshit? What an astonishing lack of class.

[BainsBane]

194. Look to the original version of BMUS' post

before it was edited to create the impression you came away with.

[Goblinmonger]

179. Stay classy, San Diego

How about you don't use a post about someone's relative dying to bring up bullshit? Just a thought.

[Curmudgeoness]

183. I think that you just tripped on your shoelaces.

BMUS posts about her deceased mother, and you answer her with this drivel? This is uncalled for, and I hope that you are ashamed of what you just did here.

An apology should be forthcoming.

[Hortensis]

184. Oh! You didn't know, but my own mother died

just 5 minutes ago and I'm devastated. But, back eagerly engaging in factional infighting on DU--because that's where I want to be and what I want to be doing when my mother's just died.

[Curmudgeoness]

186. I am terribly sorry about your mother.

That doesn't excuse attacking another poster for her post about missing her mom though.

It may not seem like it now, but it does get better with time. The hurt is unbearable when you lose your mother, and I wish you peace.

[Hortensis]

187. Oh, you should know I was answering her EARLIER,

deleted post higher up on this thread -- before my mother died but after hers, and not at all about either of them.

Are you SURE you know what you're supporting, Cur?

[EvolveOrConvolve]

190. That is absolutely and dreadfully disgusting

"Stronger Together" my fat white ass.

You used a post about someone's dead mother who escaped the Nazis in WW2 to continue some primary battle that only still exists in your head.

You can't have a "Stronger Together" badge and also violate decorum in such a mean spirited way. I don't know you, but your preference for one-up-man-ship over basic human decency and civility tells me all I need to know.

If you had even a modicum of shame, you'd have deleted the post and moved on to something more productive like battling Trump.

[R B Garr]

199. You have it backwards. She used her deceased mother

to shame the OP. Who does that.

[LostOne4Ever]

200. Bull. The posts are there for all to read including the original versions.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]They were celebrating the firebrand nature of their parents![/font]

[R B Garr]

201. Calling people "swinehunds" because it

was her mother's favorite insult. Yeah, it's all there for people to read.

[NurseJackie]

202. Oh, I get it... I GET IT!! Editing and re-editing CIRCUMVENTS the LOCK-OUT penalty!

It's a "clever" (but not so subtle) way to circumvent the "lock-out" penalty that someone gets whenever they've had a "Post Removed" within a thread.

Anyone who's ever had a post hidden in a thread (and then tried to continue posting in that thread) is familiar with this error message:

You cannot post in this thread because you have had a post hidden within this thread.

Circumventing the rules by taking advantage of a "software glitch" doesn't seem very fair to me.

[R B Garr]

203. Exactly! I thought editing was to correct spelling or

grammar, not to insult people or change content to alert on response posts.

[NurseJackie]

205. Since I'm not a mind-reader, I can't speak about this person's intent or motivations... HOWEVER...

... I can tell you that such a practice does have the appearance of impropriety. Anyone who intentionally does such a thing (with malice and forethought) would risk being accused by others of being dishonest and deceptive. (But again... I don't know what this poster specifically had in mind, all I'm commenting on is the risk of negative appearance and how people are likely to interpret it.)

I wonder if the administrators of this website know that this "work-around" bug exists and that it can be used to circumvent the lock-out penalty that all others must adhere to.

[R B Garr]

209. It happens all the time. It was well known that you

couldn't respond to that one within the initial lock-out time before an edit time stamp appears so that she couldn't alter content without an Edit stamp.

[NurseJackie]

210. It's really a shame when people EXPLOIT weaknesses in the system to CIRCUMVENT rules.

[NurseJackie]

211. I'm surprised all the pearl-clutching responses aren't aware of this...

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... unless it's an off-site coordinated response. I'll have to look and see if these "oh-dear" and "my goodness" and "how dare you" replies are from people who are already participating within this thread, or if they are "newcomers" who just happened to zero-in on that one particular sub-sub-thread (buried deep within an already long thread.) That would help to put things into context. (I don't have time to do a detailed examination and "forensics" right now, but I have my suspicions on what might be found.)


Edit: Correcting a spelling typo in subject line. (Using the edit function as intended.)

[betsuni]

204. Yes, I remember this from people with insult addictions.

I assume such behavior won't be tolerated now.

[LostOne4Ever]

214. Please link to the post in the exchange about parents where she did that to call someone swine:

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]was it this one?[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8828617

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Nope don't see it there. Lets try the previous one:[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8828522

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Nope not there either.

How about here?[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8828261

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Nope.

Or maybe you are referring to the edit where she is defending herself against this attack on her post about her mother. Oh how horrible, to edit a post to respond to someone taking advantage of a lockout to such a meanspirited attack.

This type of stuff is why I rarely post on DU anymore. And I am not going to sit by and be silent as someone attacks one of my friends here, now that she has decided to start posting again.[/font]

[NurseJackie]

215. I made no such claim.* But out of curiosity, I searched for about 10 seconds and ...

... it looks like post #89 ("view all edits" mode) mentions something about swine and oink-oink. Is that what you're looking for? Apparently, there was a removed post, but at this late hour it would be impossible to know for certain what it contained.

This type of stuff is why I rarely post on DU anymore.

Well, that's your choice.

And I am not going to sit by and be silent as someone attacks one of my friends here, now that she has decided to start posting again.

I'm not seeing the same thing you're seeing.





* ... perhaps you're confusing me with someone else in this very long and fast-paced thread.

[LostOne4Ever]

217. No but in that post you replied to a person who made such a claim

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8836472

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]And in post 89, which is in no way part of the exchange we are discussing (we are discussing subthread starting at post #38), she is calling republican and those who would cause harm to the liberal cause swine. Which is par for course on DU.[/font]

I'm not seeing the same thing you're seeing.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Allow me to help you this subthread and current discussion about attacks began with:[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8832274

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Which was a reply to:[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8828617

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Which BMUS was talking about her mother.

Now you can see what we are talking about too.[/font]

[NurseJackie]

218. It's probably in the deleted post.

217. No but in that post you replied to a person who made such a claim

Oh well.

Now you can see what we are talking about too.

Actually, no I don't.

[LostOne4Ever]

221. Then the person you replied to is the one working around the rules

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Trying to reply to a removed post.[/font]

Actually, no I don't.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]A pity, that.[/font]

[NurseJackie]

223. I'm unaware of such a rule. I can't help ya there. You'll have to take your grievance to the admins.

A pity, that.

For you, perhaps. I'm just not caring about this as much as you'd like me to.

[LostOne4Ever]

225. No rule about editing posts either

For you, perhaps. I'm just not caring about this as much as you'd like me to.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]People not caring seems to be a theme in life lately.

I am glad I am not like that.[/font]

[NurseJackie]

226. I suppose it depends...

225. No rule about editing posts either

I suppose it depends on if the intent is to actually edit and make corrections, or if the intent is to continue participating in the thread and circumvent the penalty of being locked-out.

The admins must have had a good reason for implementing that penalty. I wonder what that reason may have been.

People not caring seems to be a theme in life lately.

I'm uncertain what it is you're referring to, but I am certain that this thread is not real life, and not deserving of so much emotional investment from me. But, do as you please. Respond, or don't. Stay, or go. It's really not a big deal to me either way.

I am glad I am not like that.

Judging me? Okay. Whatever.

[LostOne4Ever]

227. And if they wanted people to be able to respond to removed threads, we could.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]The admins have a good reason for not letting us respond to removed threads.

I wonder what that reason may have been?[/font] <looks over this sub-thread> [font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Strike that. I know exactly why they don't let people respond to deleted posts.[/font]

I'm uncertain what it is you're referring to, but I am certain that this thread is not real life, and not deserving of so much emotional investment from me. But, do as you please. Respond, or don't. Stay, or go. It's really not a big deal to me either way.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]All things that happen in real life are real life. That includes computer message board posts. But yes, we will both do as we please.[/font]

Judging me? Okay. Whatever.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Putting words I never said in my mouth (again). But, as you say, whatever. [/font]

[NurseJackie]

230. Again, it's pretty clear that the issue you're having is with the admins. Good luck!

All things that happen in real life are real life. That includes computer message board posts.

Of course they're "real" ... the trick is being able to discern which things in life are important, and which ones aren't. Message board posts rank at the very bottom of things that I obsess about.

Chit-chatting and bickering on a message board is a harmless pass time, but some of us clearly have a much larger emotional investment it it that others do. Not that there's anything wrong or unnatural about that. But I can assure you that there are many more important things that deserve my attention and emotions.

Putting words I never said in my mouth (again).

Nope. Never have, actually. You must be confusing me with someone else.

[LostOne4Ever]

231. Your the one who started complaining about peeps getting around the rules

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]And defending a friend (online or offline type),who can't defend themself, from unfair and mean spirited attack is important to me.

And yeah, you did twice. First time when you claimed I was upset that you didn't care as much as (according to your post) I thought you should. Second time when you claimed I was judging you.

That said, for a person who doesn't care you are sure putting a lot of effort into this [/font]

[NurseJackie]

232. I'm not buying it....

(blah-blah-blah...) from unfair and mean spirited attack is important to me.

Ha! I'm not buying it. She's a "big-girl" ... I get the feeling she can handle things on her own. But I am curious why she's not "editing" any more (since, as you say, there are no rules to prevent "editing".) Interesting.

And yeah, you did twice. First time when you claimed I was upset that you didn't care as much as (according to your post) I thought you should. Second time when you claimed I was judging you.

No I didn't. Why does it matter so much to you? Who cares? But, facts are facts. She did what she did. No amount of word play will change it.

That said, for a person who doesn't care you are sure putting a lot of effort into this

That's not what I said. I said that I didn't care as much as some obsessive people. It's a pass time, but it's not the most important thing to me, and I don't get emotional about it.

Anyway... Bye! Have fun storming the castle!

[LostOne4Ever]

236. I don't care if you buy it

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]She probably not editing anymore because she got what she wanted to say out earlier.[/font]

No I didn't. Why does it matter so much to you? Who cares? But, facts are facts. She did what she did. No amount of word play will change it.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Yes you did, and it matters to me because I don't like people misrepresenting me. She did what she did, and so did the posters who couldn't stand not being able to continue the fight. And you did what you did in singling her out while ignoring the others doing the exact same thing.

If I didn't know better, I would suspect that you don't really care about the edits you just want to distract.[/font]

That's not what I said. I said that I didn't care as much as some obsessive people. It's a pass time, but it's not the most important thing to me, and I don't get emotional about it.

Anyway... Bye! Have fun storming the castle!

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Yet, you are putting in just as much effort if not more, in fighting this than I am. Strange.

Stranger still, your gif is a reference to the princess bride. Do you remember how storming the Castle went for Westley and Company?



Anyway:

[/font]

[NurseJackie]

240. Fiddledeedee! I think you do care more than you're letting on. :-)

Besides, if she actually did "get what she wanted to say" then that should be the end of it, yet here you are keeping the exchange going. That tells me you do care, at least a little. C'mon now, admit it. Nobody is "misrepresenting" you and nobody is being "singled out". The fact is, she was having a battle of wits with other anonymous participants on an internet forum. As near as I can tell she's perfectly capable of holding her own, and isn't the delicate little flower you're now trying to portray her as being. She probably got over-excited and perhaps lost her temper... made a mistake... and was penalized for it. BFD & WTFC? Tomorrow is another day. None of this is nearly as earth-shattering or important as you're trying to make it appear to be. Someone made a tactical error and lost a skirmish, and their feelings are hurt. OMG, it's an internet discussion forum. Try to keep it in perspective. She'll just have to get over it and move on. I've had deleted posts and been "kicked-out" of an ongoing thread, but since I'm a reasonable adult, I can keep things in perspective and I'm able to just roll with it, brush off the dirt and move on. I didn't call in "reinforcements" to put out an "all hands" notice. I didn't need a proxy to continue the battle I'd already been kicked out of. I got over it and moved on, it's not that hard to do.

[LostOne4Ever]

249. Not worth responding to nt

[NurseJackie]

250. Smart move. nt

[R B Garr]

229. Circumvent rules and so much more! Then there

were requests for links to what she had just posted but edited. Circumvent is a kind word for it.

[LostOne4Ever]

234. Still no links to support your claims. All Edits are at the post's bottom. Just give a link. nt

[R B Garr]

235. Just admit you came too late to the thread

and don't have a clue.

Or you could email your friend and ask her about "swinehund".

Or you could go bother the admin to reinstate the removed posts.

You seem to be the only one unaware of what others were discussing.

[LostOne4Ever]

237. The post I was discussing and the one prior to it are still there. How am I late? nt

[R B Garr]

238. If you even have to ask why you are late,

then you obviously didn't see enough to be trying to shame others about anything. The quantious post edits alone show the irrationality. You can message her about "swinehund", and her reminiscing about her mother. It's not worth spending more time on.

[LostOne4Ever]

239. The edits are there for all to see. Link the offending edited post.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Unless, despite you being here on time, can't because they don't exist.[/font]

[R B Garr]

242. Again.

LOL.

This is obviously not an honest endeavor on your part. There are enough insults in the edited posts to get the gist, and there are removed posts. There were others talking about it, but you come late and insist no one saw what they saw. Not honest.

Sorry no hidden posts out of this for you.........

[LostOne4Ever]

244. You are the one not being honest.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8835568

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]You directly mention her mother, but she didn't bring up either parents till this post:[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8828522

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Not one bad thing in her edits.

Then she made this post about her mom:[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8828617

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Again, edits are public. Not one nasty thing.

Your evidence? Zilch. Not a screenshot, not a link, not anything. Burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Where is your evidence? [/font]

[R B Garr]

251. No, you are not being honest. You can't keep

your story straight. You chastise others about using her mother in a hurtful manner, but then you say her mother was never mentioned. LOL. So why were you pestering other posters for something you insist never happened.

You should mail your friend and ask her to explain the "swinehund" reference to her mother. You are very concerned about people saying bad things about her mother, although you also say it never happened.

[LostOne4Ever]

252. So you don't have a single shred of evidence. Thought as much. nt

[R B Garr]

255. What is evident is that this is not an honest

endeavor on your part. Just admit you came late to the thread and have no clue.

I see you finally admit she got posts deleted, so that's a start. You can email and ask her for the admin notices.

[LostOne4Ever]

258. Your the one not being honest, putting words I didn't say in my mouth, and still no links. nt

[R B Garr]

260. Your words are upthread where you admitted you

are only here because your friend got posts removed and you are speaking for her. So at least you finally admit that you know she got post removed.

You should mail your friend and work this out between you both.

[LostOne4Ever]

262. Never said I was speaking for her, I speak just for me, and still no links from You

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[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Despite you saying it was there for all to see.

Why is that, because you know full well if you link to it, they will see that you are making false claims. That the post you are alluding to has nothing to do with the exchange, and that you are putting words in her mouth. That she never called the OP or the poster who responded to post #65 swine.

You know that because I already showed all of that to a different and honest poster who linked to the post you are lying about.

So link to the post. Why is that so hard? Just link to it. [/font]

[R B Garr]

263. You should talk to admin about the removed posts

You are the one making false claims and you stated yourself the reason is because your friend got posts removed and she can't reply in this thread.

First you chastise others for speaking poor of her deceased mother, but then you tell me it never happened. I can read what you wrote others, LOL

[LostOne4Ever]

264. Again putting words in my mouth I didn't say and no evidence

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]You are not being honest or serious about this. You said it was there for others to see, either post your proof or I am done w/ you.[/font]

[R B Garr]

265. I can see what you wrote others about your

motives here. I saw the removed posts, but you didn't because you came late to the thread. Your friend can send you copies of the notices for the removed posts, and there is enough in the edited posts to see the gist of the name calling. Your friend could get you everything you need, so be honest about why you are done here, too, lol.

[LostOne4Ever]

213. Other than the fact that she didn't call anyone that in those posts:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8828261

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Nope not there in the final or original post[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8828522

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Not here either.[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8828617

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]AND NOT HERE EITHER.[/font]

[R B Garr]

228. You wouldn't have any idea what was posted

because you got here a day later.

LOL.

[LostOne4Ever]

233. The part about mothers is still right there for all to see. Not one word about swine. Try again NT

[betsuni]

241. Swine comments are in the first edit of #89

Swine, "smelly warty old troll" "trolls SQUEAL like pigs ... OINK OINK OINK."

[LostOne4Ever]

246. Post 89 is not a part of this subthread nor the post that was replied to

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Further post 89 refers to Republicans and those who want to cause infighting amoung liberals.

If this was in response to post 89 that is the one that should have been replied to.

This is said post:[/font]

Anyone who doesn't support ALL of our progressives like AL and BERNIE is probably a Trump troll.
Imo anyone who would attack ANY of our WONDERFUL PROGRESSIVES like AL or BERNIE is a smelly warty old troll who should be outed and banned.

I hope they read my posts and out themselves.

COME ON TROLLS, TELL ME I'M WRONG TO SUPPORT BOTH AL AND BERNIE!!!

SHOW YOURSELVES, YOU SWINE!!!

* no offense to pigs who are cute and smart, I probably should have used my mother's word for them - schweinhund. I just know that trolls SQUEAL like pigs whenever BERNIE's name comes up.

OINK OINK OINK!

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]This is the first attack:[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8832274

"Jack's place is a great refuge...just a positive place?"

BeamMeUp, inspired by that amazing statement, I just went over, opened one thread ("Party leaders worry the Bernie Sanders wing will apply ideological purity tests&quot , and chose this from close to the top:

"If I wanted to vote for a corporate whore theres always one available with an R next to his/her name. Dont confuse me by running one with a D, I don’t want to have to think. I’ll just vote for the R where I know what I’m getting instead of having to guess."


Admittedly, it's a little...plainspoken, but not more than some others, and it is certainly in sympathy with the bizarrely twisted general attitude of that thread. Democrats are as corrupt as Republicans. Would what these supposed Sanders supporters have come to have broken her heart also?

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Has absolutely nothing to do with post 89.

The attack by the poster who made the swine claim part 1:[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8835568

You have it backwards. She used her deceased mother

to shame the OP. Who does that.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Doesn't in any shape or form refer to that reply (#65). Further, in post 89 she mentioned that her mother referred to pigs as schweinhund, not one word about it being an insult.

Next post by the same poster as above:[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8836472

Calling people "swinehunds" because it

was her mother's favorite insult. Yeah, it's all there for people to read.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Again that post has nothing to do with the post replied to. [/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8828617

Back atcha!

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I'm glad my mom who escaped Nazi Germany and loved Bernie wasn't alive to see what happened in November either.

It would have broken her heart.

***

How odd. I post about my mother escaping Nazi Germany and it's used as an opportunity to post excerpts from someone at another website who isn't me. Someone with an aversion to punctuation whose posting style doesn't even remotely resemble mine.

I only use 'beam me up scottie' here, apparently there is another member who posts elsewhere using the handle BeamMeUp. I also go by Refugee but I haven't used that name for over a year.

Thanks for the attention, though. I love my fans.

And I forgive you for disrespecting my mother. She would want me to.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Where in either post did she ever use her mother to attack the OP? Why, if #89 was the offending post, did they not reply to it, but to a thread in a completely different subthread?

Post 89 is just being used as an excuse for attacking a completely innocent post.[/font]

Edit: Note the words used in #89, trump troll, attack progressives. Neither of which describe the OP.

Edit2: The subthreads aren't even close to each other, so you can't even claim they clicked on the wrong thread to reply to by accident.

[betsuni]

247. Well, this is too long and complicated; I'll wait for the movie version to come out.

Unreliable narrator.

[LostOne4Ever]

248. Agree with that :) nt

[kdmorris]

171. So sorry about your mother

And about people doing anything for attention that they would use this post to make a [completely incorrect] point.

Some people will stop at nothing to forward an agenda, I guess.

[LostOne4Ever]

174. My Grandfather escaped Germany before the Nazis came to power

I am sure he would be horrified at what is happening to our country now if he was still alive.

Sorry about both your mothers.

[Curmudgeoness]

182. {{{BMUS}}}

I am so sorry that someone is dredging up comments about your mom to attack you. That is about as low as a snake's ass.

I lost my mother 16 years ago, and I still miss her. I miss her more than even when I wonder what she would say about the condition of the country today. She was always so wise, and her words would mean so much to me. Then again, I am glad that she has not had to see what is happening now. Conflicting feelings.

Don't let anyone hurt you.

On a different topic, it is so good to see you back on DU and I hope that the haters don't succeed in chasing you away. You have always fought hard for liberals and it is appreciated by many more than have a problem with it. Keep it up.

[BainsBane]

101. No one gives a shit who anyone supported in the primary

I live in a state that went overwhelmingly for Bernie in the primary. The great majority of those people then turned around to vote for our nominee, many even volunteering.

To pretend you're persecuted over that choice is ridiculous.

[Gothmog]

52. Senator Franken is an actual member of the Democratic Party and supports the party

Senator Franken is a TRUE, LOYAL Democrat

[beam me up scottie]

55. ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

[Cha]

73. I admire him because he's a brilliant fighter

and not divisive.. he actually knows who the enemy is.

[BainsBane]

71. It's nice to see criticism directed at the GOP

but then I guess I'm biased in that I don't see the Democratic Party as the greater ill.

[Cha]

76. Senator Al Franken is a brilliant fighter who knows

who the real enemy is.

[Cha]

83. Senator Al Franken knows who the real

enemy is and he's a brilliant fighter.

He's not divisive.. it's really refreshing. Neither is Senator Elizabeth Warren... so many awesome fighters who aren't.

[lpbk2713]

11. He follows DU too.

So he must be good.

[NurseJackie]

144. He does?? ... In that case ... HI, SENATOR FRANKEN!! WE LOVE YOU!!!

[Hekate]

17. knr

[stonecutter357]

18. K&R!

[Paladin]

20. Franken for Prez, 2020 (or as soon as possible before then). (nt)

[furtheradu]

21. He is just AWWWSOME

He has a great aura of sweeetness, and integrity.
Beauti-ous to behold! 💖
Seeing & hearing him, he radiates gooodness, reassurance, comfort.. that WE, AMERICANS, are not going to lose our values & Way of Life, he's fighting for it, & for US.
THANK YOU, Sen. Franken! You're there for us, we're here for YOU!

[RoccoRyg]

22. Read his books

Franken's books are what got me into politics in the first place. I highly recommend you read them and see learn his vision for the future.

I actually encountered Al twice. My flight attendent mother had him on her airplane and knew I liked him, so she called me and he talked to me for a minute. Then, when he was Senator, I snuck up on him at a fundraiser and he signed my copy of Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them. It's still my prized possession.

[gademocrat7]

26. Senator Al Franken is wonderful!

[gopiscrap]

29. absolutely

[applegrove]

30. He reminds me of Edward Kennedy.

[NurseJackie]

32. He commands respect because he gives respect. He attacks our FOES and he UNITES our party...

... indeed, he's becoming this generation's Liberal Lion.

[applegrove]

33. Well said.

[rock]

31. I agree

He clearly believes in The Constitution. And that makes me glad that there is such a clear-cut litmus test for Democrats versus Republications. Thanks Al!

[superpatriotman]

37. Bravo, Senator Franken

Big business sees regulations as a burden.

May I say waaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

[Kath2]

41. Thank you.

I love him and we need his kind now.

[Kahuna7]

42. I love him. nt

[NastyRiffraff]

51. He IS a true Democrat

and from what I hear, a good human being. I loved when he said, "I had a career in identifying absurdity. And I know it when I see it"

[DesertRat]

57. He's smart, funny and a strong Democratic voice

What's not to love?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

70. Agree! Al and Bernie are some of the best progressive voices we have!!!

True liberals!!

They speak truth to power and push Democratic ideals - 24/7. And not just around election time when it come time to feather their nests.

Kudos to Al!!

[beam me up scottie]

77. They really really are. Al and Bernie are REAL and TRUE PROGRESSIVES!

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We need more LOUD ANGRY FINGER POINTING progressives in Washington.

It's all hands on deck now and we shouldn't shove ANY of our LOUD PROGRESSIVE SENATORS off the warship. Even when we don't always agree with them. We're DEMOCRATS, we ALLOW different opinions, we're not lockstep Republicans!

We're in a WAR against the trump administration and when it comes to progressive senators the LOUDER and more ANGRIER they are the better!

So keep SHOUTING, Al and Bernie! And POINTING FINGERS! And being DISRESPECTFUL!

[R B Garr]

88. Not when they are attacking Democrats, though.

Attacking Democrats seems like a stupid thing to do under your scenario.

[JCanete]

113. That's your definition though. Holding our own side accountable IS important. We should be doing it.

We aren't doing it it we can't make critical observations.

But I don't think we need to turn this thread into another one of those, and I'm pretty sure the Bernie pushing has a lot to do with who the OP is and what some of the undercurrent of previous post on Franken was saying. I appreciate that that innuendo was toned down in this thread, and we all seem to like Franken, so cool! Hopefully we will see this over and over, from each and every one of our Democratic and progressive senators.

[R B Garr]

118. No. That was most definitely Bernie's definition. That poster used

"feeding at the trough," but it's clear that was a reference to one of Bernie's catch-all campaign slogans about purity and campaign finance. That is not holding anyone accountable. He certainly didn't worry about accountability when he put off answering the FEC about his questionable donor entries. Criticizing Democrats for operating in the system as we know it is just damaging and pointless. What makes more sense is to actually get elected, and then be in the position to effect changes.

Anyway, this thread was not about Bernie. There are other senators, and sometimes they get talked about and congratulated on great work. That shouldn't be seen as an opportunity to try and alert on posts. How would you have survived last year if you had to tolerate the irrational criticism that Hillary endured. Rachel did a great show on that last night about how Bernie supporters and sites were targeted by Russian bots to keep the divisiveness going with negative fake news stories about Hillary. You should watch that show. Highly recommended.

[JCanete]

169. I'll just say, no it is not damaging and pointless. The public has to demand something different

than that, otherwise there is no reason for our politicians to fight to change the system as we know it. I know this thread was mostly about Franken, with a little tiny bit of shade thrown in. The last one was a lot of fucking shade at Sanders. Yes there are other Senators, and I think I addressed that we should just embrace being on the same side when it comes to Franken. Maybe we shouldn't get caught up in the criticizing and defending of Sanders, at least in this thread, but nobody, you and me included, seems to be able to entirely help ourselves.

[R B Garr]

175. Sorry, but no. Just because a politician has a schtick doesn't mean everyone has

to fall for it. It is extremely damaging to try and hamper electability because of someone's ability to convince a certain segment of gullible voters that they should follow his biased view of politics. It is the system we have, and that's the system used. Trying to force people to adopt your distorted world views is more cultish and is just not realistic in the long run. Republicans would love to see Democrats unable to raise funds to run proper campaigns.

And you have no idea what or how I can help myself, but that is another tainted world view that is forced on people. If you are so worried about Sanders' reputation that you can't handle some comments or observations on a message board, no need to draw me into it. Speak for yourself.

[JCanete]

177. fuck that. It is the system we have because people are propping it up. Corporate interests love it

the it the way it is too. It ties our hands, makes us unable to tear republicans a new one on issues of corporate financing because our hands aren't clean. and in the end, the corps use their media to destroy us anyway...except that we can never call the media out for its corporate bias because we are tied to that corporatism. We depend on those companies and that funding, and that undercuts us. Yet depending on it does not get us elected. It gets us 45 percent of the available seats, from which we can moan and groan about the horrors republicans are doing.

Yes, occasionally, our softballing team gets two years to entirely change the direction of our country, but even then they can't make it happen because we always have manchin's and Lieberman's that our establishment has propped up, ready to scuttle our ship.

By the way, you couldn't handle letting the comment go that put Sander's name in with Warren and Franken, now could you? You literally said in your last post that there are other Senators than Sanders, but you are still railing against him here, so don't pretend you aren't rolling around in the mud.

[R B Garr]

180. Bullshit. Just because a politician has a schtick

and you buy it, doesn't mean you get to abuse people who see through the bullshit. Just look at this election and you see how the Sanders' supporters were targeted because of their gullibility and the ease in which they are manipulated. It's all over the news now. Trump was using propaganda from Russia to completely con you with your own purity mantras.**

Getting elected is the only way to change anything you are talking about. Holding browbeating purity tests isn't the way. Corporations, lol! More of the naive Sanders schtick. In the meantime, Trump is busy manipulating you with your own propaganda and installing the true oligarchs into power to rob you blind! Wake up!

I see you are desperate to make this personal, which is a tiresome tactic.

**this is about current news of Russia meddling in our elections, thank you.

[JCanete]

181. So I'm not going to, but I could say the same about what you buy into. I could reduce it down to

something like that for my own satisfaction, but I don't need you to be a dumbass so that I feel good about myself.

And Sanders has been my favorite Senator since he entered the Senate. Previously he was among my favorite congresspeople. I didn't just discover him, nor can I think of any Russian bullshit that influenced my preference. I have said here many times that on too many things Clinton has been unfairly vilified by the right-wing. I understand why her record is complicated because of that, but given the choice, which I had, I preferred Sanders in the primary. I voted for Clinton in the GE.

But I agree with you about electability to a large extent, and I don't think outsiders are very likely to get elected given the culture of Washington and the influence of money. But it is the outsider's job to push on the insiders so that they have cover to do the right thing when it would be hard if nobody was at the gates, demanding it.

I'm not desperate to make it personal, I just think you aren't being entirely genuine. You responded to a thread about more than just Sanders, thought it was important to criticize him, and I responded disagreeing with your criticism, and saying basically "Hey, but we both like Franken," to which you came back to continue to talk about Sanders(understandable if you can't let or don't think what I said should be left alone) and tell me there are other Senators than him, which, I think I kind of said already. But it was hardly a swipe at you to say that you weren't letting it go. It was a recognition of the state of things that we are bickering over it because we both think it has to be addressed for whatever reasons. I'm not sure why you thought that was a personal attack.

As to Russia meddling in our elections, I hope we nail Trump to the wall on that.

[R B Garr]

188. Lol, your observations about me personally

don't even begin to hit the mark, but it's a tactic from the primaries to vilify a person personally to absurd levels so that their comments about Sanders can be dismissed and ridiculed. You are not the first to try it; it's a very recognizable tactic.

But back to my original comment in this subthread, insinuating that Democrats are corrupt as part of an overall smear disguised as "rebuilding" the party is a stupid thing to do. Getting elected is the only hope you have of really getting results. This is just common sense, especially in light of how much Donald has humiliated you all. What a shame.

[JCanete]

196. what are you talking about? I'm not vilifying you. I have no interest in doing so. I have plenty of

reasonable conversations with people on these boards who I disagree with, and I have no interest in anything other than proposing my view of things and having my own assumptions challenged even while I challenge the perspectives of others. How about you point out the nasty things I said about you so that I can see where you are coming from?

You are however making up a whole lot of nonsense about how Donald has been at all a factor in my thinking. You ARE actually attempting to characterize me, my reasoning and how I arrived at it. I will not return that favor.

[R B Garr]

198. Now you've gone fully personal.

It was obvious where this was going.

Btw, Sanders and the divisive primary are back in the news because of current Russian investigations. It's all over the news, so don't make it to be anything more than that. There is proof that the divisiveness was used to help Trump. That's where you should direct your concern.

[riderinthestorm]

162. If Bernie's style is good enough for Chuck Schumer to put him in Dem leadership

Then I can't disagree.

Welcome back BMUS!

We need Al and Elizabeth and Bernie and Aaron Schiff - we need all of them now.

Every "style" is necessary so we keep reaching as many as possible in these terrible days.

[beam me up scottie]

90. Kudos to Al and Elizabeth and Bernie for not being afraid to criticize those who feed at the trough.

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Criticism isn't traitorous, it's a sign that LOUD PROGRESSIVE senators work for the PEOPLE and that's where their loyalty is.

I agree with ELIZABETH and BERNIE - we need to get big MONEY out of politics. They are TRUE PROGRESSIVES and their opinions aren't popular with trough feeders. But that's what makes them even more BRAVE.

So let's hear it for AL, BERNIE and ELIZABETH - three LOUD FINGER POINTING senators who are known for speaking TRUTH TO POWER - no matter how many conservatives clutch their pearls and squeal.

[R B Garr]

97. Falsely accusing Democrats of "feeding at the trough"

is a stupid thing to do, though. That's not criticism, that's just straight up propaganda, aka fake news. You must have meant others besides Democrats. It would make no sense to falsely accuse Democrats. Your analysis is a bit flawed, as well. Conservatives would love to foster infighting between Democrats, as it works to their advantage as seen in the election.

[KPN]

105. Well said. Hear, hear!

[Cha]

107. BS Not being able to "definitively say what Democrats stand for.. "

is divisive and not valid criticism.

That's why Senators like Franken, Warren and Reps like Schiff, Denny Heck, and Maxine Waters are the Fighters we're fortunate to have in our Democratic Party. Under the brilliant leadership of Tom Perez and Keith Ellison.

[Demsrule86]

140. You know what ...at the moment...the most important thing any Democrat stands for

is "not Trump" or any GOP would be murderer. I will vote for the person with a 'D' after his name. I am sick of ranking Democrats whether they support some 'pure' ideology...ours is a big tent party and we better get back that before there is nothing left of the progressive policies attained since Roosevelt. You want a liberal agenda ...vote Democratic- many have expressed admiration for Tim Ryan on this website...and he is a good guy...done a good job in Ohio. But I bet many of you don't know he was pro-life up to 2015. He change his position after much though and sould searching.I am virulently pro-choice after almost dying in Georgie during a miscarriage that left me infertile, but I still voted for the guy...why? He was the only Democrat running...voting Democratic is the only game in town...as spoilers like the Greens only elect the GOP...I noticed a picture go around with Stein sitting next to Flynn and Putin...hmm

[Arazi]

158. Agreed 100%. We need them all. Bernie's been on fire @ Trump

And in his new role as Democratic Outreach Chair so even Dem leadership recognize that we need him and his style too.

Recognizing this takes nothing from other Dems like the wonderful Al Franken, Elizabeth Warren, Aaron Schiff etc.

#resist!!

[Alice11111]

78. Rockin Al...We thank you. Go get him.

Even if Gorsuch is confirmed, very likely, you are pointing out his Achilles Hills. Very important.

[Cha]

80. Yes, Senator Al Franken, Senator Elizabeth Warren,

Rep, Maxine Waters, Rep Adam Schiff, etc etc.. all of these brilliant Fighters know who the real enemy is.

They don't have an agenda except to fight the fascist trump regime.

Not divisive.. how refreshing!

I am so grateful we have them, Jackie.. Our Firewalls!

[smirkymonkey]

86. I am in love

[bdamomma]

87. Whew Senator Franken

whopped his ass!!! Got to admire him.

[catbyte]

91. I remember his "Al Franken Decade" bit on SNL years ago, but this has been the REAL

Al Franken Decade. He is true Democrat and one of the greatest Senators we have.

[MasonDreams]

106. This is the Al Franken Millennium !!!

[cwydro]

94. K and r.

I'm actually amazed that some responses on this thread are still there.

Smh.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

108. K&R

[betsuni]

112. K&R

[Starry Messenger]

114. K&R

[UCmeNdc]

115. K&R

[dewsgirl]

116. He is wonderful

[sellitman]

117. Warren/Franken or Franken/Warren 2020

Imagine

[liquid diamond]

119. I would not want to face this guy in a debate.

Thank you Mr. Franken. A true democrat who talks the talk and WALKS THE WALK!

He was one of the first true progressives to support Hillary's campaign!!

[BainsBane]

124. St. Louis Park, MN, representing!

[ehrnst]

135. He's way too 'establishment' for many. He's not shouting enough,

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He's not demanding single payer or nothing, he endorse Hillary in the primaries, he wrote ads for HILLARY's health care reform plan in 1993....

That will make him the target of some groups like #allofus who demand absolute conformity to their checklist, or they will primary him.

[betsuni]

136. I just read Franken's novel "Why Not Me?"

"The article also quoted an unnamed bystander who described Mr. Frankerl's platform as 'a bizarre admixture of vacuous catchphrases and vague, formless attacks on some imagined status quo by an obscure political parvenu.' The reporter should have identified the bystander as Times columnist William Safire ... .

"A good offensive strategy assumes that all your potential opponents ... have taken money from large corporate interests and super-wealthy individuals, none of whom can be expected to donate anything to you. These big donors don't do this out of the goodness of their hearts. They do it because they expect something in return. Hopefully, these corporate interests will include banks, which as you are so fond of pointing out collect the fees charged at ATMs.

"The Gore campaign hit another snag today ... . Dranken taunted Gore ... by shouting, 'Tell the truth, ATM stooge,' 'Gore's a whore,' and 'Eat me.'

"N made me watch tape of MSNBC appearance five times in a row. Very depressing. N says not to worry. Fewer than fifty households watching MSNBC yesterday. ... Splurged on hooker.

"Universal agreement that I will win Iowa caucuses tomorrow. ... Now, on verge of victory, I am wondering if I really want to be president after all. I have seen more of America and Americans in past year than in entire previous lifetime and am not so sure I like what I see. If Iowa and New Hampshire are any indicator, country is riddled with S.P.*

*Stupid People

Then Franken wins the election, immediately gets depressed and spends all his time watching TV, is soon impeached.

[Nitram]

143. He is also very smart, he does his homework, and he has a wry sense of humor.

I hope Al Franken will be president some day.

[WinkyDink]

148. And doggone it, I like him!

[NurseJackie]

152. I do too! I love that Franken doesn't shy-away from his comedic past...

... I'm convinced that this is part of what makes him so successful today. Not only does he have a charming and folksy demeanor, but he's got excellent timing. His sharp wit lets him deliver "knock-out" blows without making an absurd spectacle of himself, and without being a total asshole.

[NastyRiffraff]

156. Kick for exposure

This thread has been "enlightening" on many levels. Brought back some bad memories, but it's wonderful to salute Al Franken, even if some don't like it!

[LiberalLovinLug]

157. Al Franken is willing to work with anyone that helps in the fight

Why is that so difficult to imagine for some puritans in here I'll never understand.
The primaries are behind us, its time to work together whether one has the hallowed D in front of their name or not.

[NurseJackie]

160. Great photos ... thanks for sharing them! :-D

I especially like the last one.

[WinkyDink]

161. "Purists"? If the "D" is meaningless, why, then, does Bernie eschew it? Where's the harm, eh?

[LiberalLovinLug]

172. ...

[Demsrule86]

206. It matters.

[LiberalLovinLug]

212. A letter or symbol on a person is more important than who a person is or what they believe in?

Or how much they can help? It makes no difference if they have the 99% the same views, the same goals for their families, the same hope for the country? Some may be more enthusiastic about social change and want to take advantage of an openness to change, some may be more conservative and believe you cannot do too much too soon, but most of all the end goals are the same. There will always be policy debate with the more liberal and conservative folks that make up the left of center. Its a big big colourful tent. But this is not the time to stoke our differences, its a time to come together.

[Demsrule86]

216. Absolutely, a message is sent to others by the refusal to join the Democratic Party...it matters.

[LiberalLovinLug]

253. You see, I think its more important to woo people into the party with new, better, policy

or even just re-embracing its traditional values more, than give ultimatums to those standing on the edge. Some folks just are different, more independent, or it works better for them. Even though there seems no good reason from some points of view for one to remain stoic.

It is more important what is inside a person.

And lets face it, we are talking about one little old man who has always worked from outside the party. Its not some kind of leaking bucket.

And perhaps it would be better all around if Bernie did join full time. But its not going to happen. So we have a choice, embrace our odd ruffled ally, or continue to whisper insults behind his back and refuse to have respect for him until he gets his star.

He'll keep working for us his own way regardless. I just wish it were at least "if you can't say anything nice...."

[NurseJackie]

220. It's how we keep (or become) the majority party. I'd rather vote for a DEMOCRAT who I

agreed with only 75% of the time instead of a Republican who happened to agreed with me 95% of the time. Having (or keeping) the majority in the two houses of Congress is important. It's important nationally, and it's important in State Houses as well.

This is how it works in a two-party system. I can't believe you don't know that, or that you didn't honestly understand the importance of political party. It's more complex than the Seussian Sneech analogy you were aiming for. (Or were you just waxing philosophical?)

[LiberalLovinLug]

254. But no Republican would ever agree with 95% of what you believe in or vica versa

Its a false analogy. But I'll indulge. How low would you go to vote for a candidate with the proper letter, but that doesn't fully support your values? 60%? 40%? (if the other option is a politician that had some kind of epiphany of conscience between elections and flipped 95% his positions and was now voting almost entirely with the Democratic party)

I'd rather voter for an Independent that works 95% with Democrats, and my personal values, than a D stamped politician like Joe Manchin, Heidi Heitkamp or, Joe Donnelly who work against it.

[NurseJackie]

256. I'd rather have those "imperfect" Democrats you mentioned instead of a Republican.

I promise you that if you replaced Manchin on the WV ballot and instead used your ideally pure-and-perfect Democrat, then the Republican would win. (Same thing would happen with whatever you consider to be a 95% acceptable Independent.) So, yep... I'd much prefer to have Manchin instead of a Republican.

Its a false analogy.

No it's not. You asserted that party affiliation didn't matter. I told you that it does matter and I provided you an example with exaggerated variables so that you could easily understand WHY it matters. Now, you want to quibble about the percentage points. Sure, whatever. It changes nothing.

Party affiliation matters. Having the majority matters.

[LiberalLovinLug]

257. Put it this way Nurse Jackie

If I were severely injured, and I had a choice of someone running to my aid who was dressed up in nurses costume heading for a costume party, or a real nurse that was off duty who happened to be there to help me, I'd choose the latter.

I guess I have more faith in, if you build it they will come. Sanders proved and still is proving with his poll numbers, how even what would be regarded as a radical leftist by many on the right a few years ago, can move the conversation forward, if that message is given a chance, and presented by the right candidate.

The problem of running a small r Republican against a big R Republican is that it gets you nowhere in the long run. Its treading water. And sometimes its worse, with important legislation not being passed (Lieberman on the public option). I know its what we've done for decades now, but especially in this new era of an openness to unconventionality, its time to shoot for more than that. Believe.

[NurseJackie]

259. This is a very myopic view.

Sanders proved and still is proving with his poll numbers...

What's he proving? I'm sure HE is very pleased with HIS poll numbers. But at what cost? Pity he has to attack and smear and mischaracterize the Democratic Party in the process. How do his popularity polls benefit the party?

I guess I have more faith in, if you build it they will come.

Nonsense. What's he building? He's saying a lot of things that tear-down the party, but I'm not seeing this "building" you speak of.

The Democratic Party isn't corrupt. We aren't intellectually bankrupt. We aren't feeble. We aren't lazy. We aren't doing nothing. We aren't "the same as" or "just as bad as" the Republicans. Where's the "Outreach"? Where's the building of a unified and stronger party? Smearing the party leaders and hurling insults is divisive ... and a divided party is a weak party.

Saying things like "at least he's trying" (and implying that nobody else is doing anything) is wrong.

Re: Costume party... talk about BAD analogies! GMAB! TOTAL FAIL

(But amusing anyway. You made me laugh.)

[LiberalLovinLug]

261. You are reading into a lot of what I said

Its not that Sanders is proving HE is great with the poll numbers. It is that populism can work both ways. He is proving that even single payer or $15 min wage, accepting climate change, or other progressive Democratic positions can be successful. Its about ending the defeatism of doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. And I also disagree with being rightfully critical of some of the decisions or non-decisions of the Democratic party are "mischaracterizations". We evolve. Both Hillary and Obama evolved on gay marriage. Only the GOP seems to believe they are perfect all the time. Or worse that there is some fantasy era in the past that was perfect and they want to go back to that.

"Nonsense. What's he building?"

Once again...its not about Sanders! That time I was speaking specifically about the party itself. If the Democratic Party stops being afraid of Red States, goes there, talks to them not in DINO language, but with a positive message from a charismatic speaker about the possibilities, they will come. Deans 50 state strategy worked better than anyone expected as well. Too bad the DLC and Debbie Downer dismantled that idea.

I never meant to imply that nobody else wearing a D is not helping. I would like to see him get even more support.


I guess it just seems ludicrous at how much space is spent on DU trying to disparage such an ally. An ally that also is gives his opinion on what we may have been doing wrong. The Democratic party would be foolish to ignore the advice of someone that not only shares their values, but helps to popularize those values. I just don't get it.

I would welcome Hillary to be more visible now as well. Maybe if they both appeared together again it would dissuade the animosity in here.

[Angry Dragon]

163. kick

[George II]

207. Great post - and every word of it was original and from the heart, not "copied/pasted".

[NurseJackie]

208. Thanks!

I'll revisit themes and often reuse the same phrases, but strict "copy/paste" to sing someone's praises seems to be a very shallow exercise.

Doing something like what you describe suggests to me that someone is insincere, or maybe they just lack the conviction of their words, or it could be just plain old laziness. I'm reminded, somewhat, of the things that float around on Facebook (ie: "share if you agree" or "copy and paste for your status update if you agree".

In the past, I'd seen examples of what seemed to be duplicate "copy/paste" OP messages and duplicate "copy/paste" replies... but I automatically assumed that I was being forgetful and forgetting who-said-what-when-and-where. (I assumed it was just my old brain that couldn't keep up with the fast pace of this website, and the flurry of activity.)

Maybe it's happening more often than I realize. I'll have to pay closer attention to see if I can detect a pattern.

Everyone's looking for a shortcut these days, I suppose. Whether it's a call-to-arms to swarm a clicky-clicky poll, or to flood the inbox of political rivals with identical emails and faxes.

Anyway, thanks again for your kind words. I appreciate that.

[bettyellen]

219. I made him laugh once! We were in an elevator with an actress who had been in All That Glitters....

and I fan girled out and sang a bit of the theme song for her. I smiled at Franken, too. I love him but it was cool to see that actress.

[NurseJackie]

222. Okay... that reply is among my top-three favorites in this thread. LOVE IT!!!

Thanks for sharing!

[bettyellen]

224. Do you remember that show- was a Norman Lear comedy where the women ran the world and their husbands

took care of the babies, cried on the phones to their Dads, and got chased around the desk at work. Really good cast.
"She worked, he played! While she administered the government- he crocheted!"


You're welcome as always, dear Nurse!