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H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:16 PM Mar 2017

Nunes

Devin Nunes's conversation with reporters is a good thing, no matter if he intended for it to be or not. The head of the House Intelligence Committee noted that he discussed reports he saw with House Speaker Paul Ryan this morning, although it is unclear of if Nunes shared information about the reports with Adam Schiff. Speaking to reporters about this may provide substance for the dwindling number of delusionals, who are outraged that President Obama wired Trump's phone ….but it also puts Trump on notice, very publicly.

Certainly, Trump and his carp will claim that this “breaking news” supports his wild lies. But the news does no such thing. Though I'm not a huge fan of mainstream news, I'd say that most of it has noted that Trump lied. That he changes the goal posts. And that his refusal to take ownership of his lies is not a positive character trait.

We all knew that Flynn was caught in discussions with the Russian ambassador the day that President Obama announced sanctions. We just had no idea of how many of the others were doing so. And the fact is that there are many, many connections being documented. It's still unknown how many times Trump was in contact with enemies of the United States. But the public may start finding out, sooner than expected.

So we can expect some blather from the alt-right. Rabid animals do foam at the mouth. But the average citizen knows that Trump is full of crap, that his presidency thus far is a failure, and that it is dangerous to allow him to continue. And Trump can be counted on to reinforce this in the next 24 hours. Big time.

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Nunes (Original Post) H2O Man Mar 2017 OP
It took 4 minutes for your amazing post to get to the Greatest Page, my dear H20 Man! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2017 #1
It's a struggle. H2O Man Mar 2017 #3
"although it is unclear of if Nunes shared information about the reports with Adam Schiff." dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #75
Right. H2O Man Mar 2017 #76
Allow Me Me. Mar 2017 #2
Well, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2017 #4
K&R... spanone Mar 2017 #5
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2017 #6
K & R malaise Mar 2017 #7
Right? H2O Man Mar 2017 #8
Things are getting interesting, quickly. And these are not ms liberty Mar 2017 #9
Exactly. H2O Man Mar 2017 #10
Here's my concern. Help me feel better, please. hamsterjill Mar 2017 #11
Thanks easy ..... H2O Man Mar 2017 #12
Even if Trump was not the intended subject of the wire tap and is considered illegally "unmasked"? hamsterjill Mar 2017 #15
Yes. H2O Man Mar 2017 #20
Good point! hamsterjill Mar 2017 #23
Things will get ugly H2O Man Mar 2017 #27
From your keyboard to God's ears! hamsterjill Mar 2017 #29
"...moving very fast..." dchill Mar 2017 #81
"The 'big mo'," H2O Man Mar 2017 #82
I've had a feeling for quite a while... dchill Mar 2017 #83
It is large H2O Man Mar 2017 #85
I now really know what Hunter Thompson meant... dchill Mar 2017 #86
Yeah. H2O Man Mar 2017 #87
Well, it is and it ain't. dchill Mar 2017 #88
Nunes said it was legally collected and no conclusions had been drawn yet wishstar Mar 2017 #13
I don't trust Nunes. hamsterjill Mar 2017 #16
The information H2O Man Mar 2017 #21
Correct me if I'm wrong Waterman, but ms liberty Mar 2017 #69
Right. H2O Man Mar 2017 #70
I'm with you madokie Mar 2017 #94
Information obtained after FISA court murielm99 Mar 2017 #14
Okay. Why do you think Nunes did this then? hamsterjill Mar 2017 #18
I don't know. murielm99 Mar 2017 #22
I understand. hamsterjill Mar 2017 #25
I wonder if Nunes, and perhaps some others, murielm99 Mar 2017 #35
You know...you just ever know about these idiots. hamsterjill Mar 2017 #36
It was the cold sweat of 2naSalit Mar 2017 #32
Nervous breakdown or an amateurish attempt at some cover story lostnfound Mar 2017 #37
Maybe he's one of the congressmen who were "influenced" by Manafort. They said Manafort got kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2017 #84
Good call. H2O Man Mar 2017 #95
My guess Peachhead22 Mar 2017 #104
Right. H2O Man Mar 2017 #24
but didnt Nunes say there was nothing related to russia? Or am I thinking of another person? 7962 Mar 2017 #44
♡ eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #17
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2017 #19
Replying to your posts usually requires that I'm on best behavior because you always "go high" democrank Mar 2017 #26
You are right. H2O Man Mar 2017 #30
I think he was childish. He saw something and like a kid (or Trump) Jarqui Mar 2017 #89
The information he received was in conjunction with his Committee's investigation.... George II Mar 2017 #28
Rep. Schiff is H2O Man Mar 2017 #31
He's saying an independent commission is now imperative! hamsterjill Mar 2017 #34
Like watching UFC HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #33
Right. H2O Man Mar 2017 #55
Hannity is all over this. "Everybody was WRONG. Trump was RIGHT." OMG. WinkyDink Mar 2017 #38
yes, that was the purpose and that's what 1200 radio stations will say certainot Mar 2017 #39
You nailed it. WinkyDink Mar 2017 #42
Solid proof H2O Man Mar 2017 #56
I am not sure this is a reliable source, but I'm throwing it out because it makes sense. japple Mar 2017 #40
I'm not familiar H2O Man Mar 2017 #57
Apart from a confession, it's hard to think of many better gifts than Nunes just gave us Kentonio Mar 2017 #41
I expect that H2O Man Mar 2017 #58
Nunes had two major goals today, I'm thinking... Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #43
This makes a lot of sense!! Chemisse Mar 2017 #52
Well said. H2O Man Mar 2017 #59
K & R with thanks. ancianita Mar 2017 #45
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2017 #60
Does anyone here remember Trump saying democrank Mar 2017 #46
He always breaks the story ahead of time when he is told something... kentuck Mar 2017 #47
Good point. H2O Man Mar 2017 #62
YES, I remember that. janx Mar 2017 #53
Sure do. H2O Man Mar 2017 #61
Ok. Calms me down. zentrum Mar 2017 #48
Nunes got spooked. H2O Man Mar 2017 #63
Hmmm. Quite a theory. zentrum Mar 2017 #68
It doesn't require H2O Man Mar 2017 #72
Notice the statement from Rep. Nunes duncang Mar 2017 #49
Huge point. H2O Man Mar 2017 #64
Excellent post NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #50
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2017 #65
K&R! gademocrat7 Mar 2017 #51
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2017 #66
It is legal for the NSA to listen to any foreigners communications. Bush and the GOP made it so. McCamy Taylor Mar 2017 #54
By late spring, H2O Man Mar 2017 #67
At this point... AntiFascist Mar 2017 #73
Remember when Trump said, a week ago, that news would be coming out soon vindicating him? mchill Mar 2017 #71
Yes. H2O Man Mar 2017 #74
Was Nunes info what Trump was talking about last week? I had the sense that Nunes was LuckyLib Mar 2017 #92
K&R. dchill Mar 2017 #77
Thanks. H2O Man Mar 2017 #78
Nunes is making a solid case for a special prosecutor... Sancho Mar 2017 #79
Yes. H2O Man Mar 2017 #80
K & R and thank you! Vilis Veritas Mar 2017 #90
Thanks. H2O Man Mar 2017 #96
Strange Days indeed my friend. Vilis Veritas Mar 2017 #101
Great song, H2O Man Mar 2017 #102
So tell me the truth coeur_de_lion Mar 2017 #91
Nunes is in H2O Man Mar 2017 #97
What the President DIDN'T know..... creoledna Mar 2017 #93
Interesting. H2O Man Mar 2017 #98
Succinct and spot on. suffragette Mar 2017 #99
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2017 #100
Why did Nunes go to the WH? Peachhead22 Mar 2017 #103

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,297 posts)
1. It took 4 minutes for your amazing post to get to the Greatest Page, my dear H20 Man!
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:22 PM
Mar 2017

Wow!

Well said and definitely worthy.

Trump's really REALLY good at undermining himself, so I expect your last sentences to be prophetic.



H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
3. It's a struggle.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:25 PM
Mar 2017

Kind of reminds me of the work my boy was doing, training for the finals next month. We discussed how a hurt opponent will throw a series of desperate punches. You just cover up, slip the shots, and then punish him when he's out of breath.

Things are good now. Nunes erred.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
75. "although it is unclear of if Nunes shared information about the reports with Adam Schiff."
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:48 PM
Mar 2017

Schiff said Nunes did not.
he specifically said Nunes provided info. that not even the Committee had yet.

It was in a Schiff Tweet a few minutes ago...I will try to find it..been reading Twitter a lot today and absorbed much.

ms liberty

(8,478 posts)
9. Things are getting interesting, quickly. And these are not
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:33 PM
Mar 2017

The smartest kids in the class. K&R. So good to have you back and posting!

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
11. Here's my concern. Help me feel better, please.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:35 PM
Mar 2017

What if the "incidental" information about Trump was collected in a way that it cannot be used against him? Trump is a treasonous bastard. There is no doubt in my mind that he's in bed with Putin. But what if Feinstein's (and others') frustration and anger stem from knowing that they have proof of Trump being in bed with Putin, yet it won't be able to be used to impeach him because of the way that proof was collected?

Thoughts, please????

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
12. Thanks easy .....
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:38 PM
Mar 2017

The information already gathered can be used -- both in a civil action (impeachment), and a criminal trial in federal court. I expected things to take more time, but they seem to be moving very fast at this point.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
15. Even if Trump was not the intended subject of the wire tap and is considered illegally "unmasked"?
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:47 PM
Mar 2017

The Repukes were making a BIG deal of "unmasked" at the hearing.

Please understand. I want Trump behind bars! I just don't want to get my hopes up and have them dashed.

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
20. Yes.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:56 PM
Mar 2017

Especially if they have one of Trump thanking the Russians for their assistance in electing him.

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
27. Things will get ugly
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:01 PM
Mar 2017

for the next few days. The administration is being seriously damaged. They will attempt to go on the attack. But they are getting tired, and more prone to making mistakes. This will continue to damage the administration.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
29. From your keyboard to God's ears!
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:05 PM
Mar 2017

You don't know (or maybe you really do!) how much getting rid of Trump means to me. I want it to be swift. I want it to be legal. Not advocating any violence whatsoever. I want it to be airtight, and I want that SOB out of office and in jail.

dchill

(38,320 posts)
81. "...moving very fast..."
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:59 PM
Mar 2017

Yes. It seems to me that some on the (R) side must have realized that this country doesn't have a lot of time to repair the damage done, and the imminent damage that probably will be done under the "deconstruction of the administrative state."

dchill

(38,320 posts)
83. I've had a feeling for quite a while...
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:05 PM
Mar 2017

that the evidence indicates a situation of a scope that no one is sure how to deal with it. Can you spell President Hatch?

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
85. It is large
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:07 PM
Mar 2017

and very ugly. And extremely dangerous.

I'm glads that the intelligence community has been encouraging Congress to do their job. This needs to be resolved by way of the Constitution.

dchill

(38,320 posts)
86. I now really know what Hunter Thompson meant...
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:13 PM
Mar 2017

by "fear and loathing." Incompetent party over country, ruling from a majority position with minority support. It burns.

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
87. Yeah.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:15 PM
Mar 2017

All my friends and associates my age who are still alive keep shaking our heads, and saying, "This ain't the country we grew up in."

dchill

(38,320 posts)
88. Well, it is and it ain't.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:23 PM
Mar 2017

In 1969, I was 18 and therefore in the first Draft Lottery. It's the only lottery I ever won; my number was 300, which virtually guaranteed that I'd never be drafted. The relief that I felt was intense, but no more intense than the dread I felt for my friends who drew single digits.

These days I fear that the insanity of the Draft could be returning. That's a country I really don't want to live in again.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
16. I don't trust Nunes.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:51 PM
Mar 2017

He may have referred to "legally" collected with respect to the intended target. Trump was "incidental". And if they can prove that Trump was unmasked in a way that isn't legal to do, therein lies my concern.

I want them to roast his orange ass!!!

ms liberty

(8,478 posts)
69. Correct me if I'm wrong Waterman, but
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:14 PM
Mar 2017

If he, orange man, were caught on a wiretap or other recording with someone who was being legally investigated and it was due to surveillance of the other person, and he, orange man, made statements that showed knowledge of or participation in criminal acts, serious ones that included potential treason (not to mention high crimes and misdemeanors) then that would almost certainly be something that would be legal to use in prosecution of said orange man.
In other words, as long as the person he was speaking to was being legally surveilled, anything orange man says fair game. Generally. I'm sure there would be some caveats.

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
14. Information obtained after FISA court
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:41 PM
Mar 2017

rulings can be used. I think Feinstein's frustration came from knowing that she could not discuss the damaging things she knew about trump. That may change now. Nunes went public with things about which he should have remained quiet. His actions may speed up any legal decisions against trump and his fellow conspirators.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
18. Okay. Why do you think Nunes did this then?
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:53 PM
Mar 2017

That dude was sweating like a pig when he was talking to the reporters, too. Could he have been threatened in some way? I mean, what he did is pretty unbelieveable.

I sincerely hope that things DO speed up. Tomorrow would not be too soon to see that orange ass impeached and in jail!

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
22. I don't know.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:57 PM
Mar 2017

I am doing the same thing you are doing: reading and listening to what others are saying about it. It is confusing.

Schiff his having a news conference in a few minutes. We may get some insight from him.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
25. I understand.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:00 PM
Mar 2017

I'm just "discussing" and I like others' viewpoints on things.

Yes, I'll be very interested in what Schiff has to say. I read his statement. Hopefully, he will have more information at the time he is on with Blitzer.

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
35. I wonder if Nunes, and perhaps some others,
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:19 PM
Mar 2017

were looking for a distraction from the disaster that the health care repeal is becoming. And of course, they may need a distraction from the Gorsuch hearings. The distraction, if that is what it is, has backfired.

2naSalit

(86,048 posts)
32. It was the cold sweat of
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:09 PM
Mar 2017

a culprit caught in the act. I bet he doesn't even know that what he just did could hang him. But I wonder if he was "fed" some "news" so he would go running to the boss, and maybe he was also threatened.

Either way, he's in big, deep doodoo. Maybe he was "informed" in order to push this thing a little harder for expediency since it's getting close to a "point of no return" with the damage being done to this nation. If you can get one scared rat to slit his own throat...

And I am wondering that, even as he (Comey) is not the most favorable FBI director we could want, he may be patriotic enough to go after these guys hard. And maybe letting them usurp the election had to be done to make the rest of the nation understand what happened and why whatever the result is had to come about... maybe.

lostnfound

(16,138 posts)
37. Nervous breakdown or an amateurish attempt at some cover story
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:29 PM
Mar 2017

Or he wanted to go whine to The Great Potumpkin about all the trouble Nunes was gonna be in.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
84. Maybe he's one of the congressmen who were "influenced" by Manafort. They said Manafort got
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:05 PM
Mar 2017

paid $10 million to influence people in Congress, etc. I'm betting he was one of the people who was "influenced."

Peachhead22

(1,077 posts)
104. My guess
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 03:50 PM
Mar 2017

Nunes said it was incidental collections that got members of the transition. Probably not Trump himself is the way I understood it.

Guess who was a member of Trump's transition team? Nunes was! I'm guessing Nunes got wind of an intercept that included himself (possibly talking to someone he shouldn't have or saying something he shouldn't have) and it totally freaked him out.

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
24. Right.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:59 PM
Mar 2017

There is some dispute regarding if Trump actually declassified information in some of his rants. Nunes either made a serious mistake, or he is sending Trump a clear message.

democrank

(11,052 posts)
26. Replying to your posts usually requires that I'm on best behavior because you always "go high"
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:01 PM
Mar 2017

but I'm kind of outraged right now. This Nunes fella is a regular slimeball. I just listened to his CNN interview with Jake Tapper and all I could think of was....weasel.

Why would Nunes have briefed Paul Ryan today, but not Adam Schiff? Why would he hold a press conference before speaking with other House Intelligence Committee members?

Doesn't it seem a bit suspicious that Chairman Nunes, former member of the Trump transition team, would run over to the White House faster than you can say "aid and abet", even before contacting Adam Schiff?




H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
30. You are right.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:05 PM
Mar 2017

Those are extremely important points. Nunes is a human weasel. But, neither he nor Ryan will sacrifice their "reputations" by defending Trump beyond a certain point. They are both panicked right now. Taking major steps while panicked is not a wise thing.

Jarqui

(10,110 posts)
89. I think he was childish. He saw something and like a kid (or Trump)
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:36 PM
Mar 2017

had a rush to judgement before deliberating, having all the facts and getting several inputs of advice.

To me:
1. His partisan actions brought us one step closer to an independent prosecutor
2. His evidence suggests the net of info they're tracking goes beyond Russia
3. Schiff followed up with comments to the effect that they now have evidence to establish Trump-Russia beyond circumstantial
4. His actions seem to be by a group who is on edge and covering up

Like the "Obama wiretapped me" allegations, I suspect this is going to blow up in their faces.

George II

(67,782 posts)
28. The information he received was in conjunction with his Committee's investigation....
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:02 PM
Mar 2017

....but he spoke about that information with both Ryan and trump BEFORE he spoke to anyone else on the Committee itself.

Schiff is livid, and is excoriating Nunes right now (5:01 PM EST)

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
55. Right.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 07:51 PM
Mar 2017

Again today, training my son for next month's Golden Gloves finals, we reviewed how wounded opponents will try to fight back. Ride with it with your hands up, and let him shoot his wad. Then destroy him.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
39. yes, that was the purpose and that's what 1200 radio stations will say
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:38 PM
Mar 2017

all week. and that's the real purpose of the whole thing, along with feeding increasing attacks on obama.

while the left /dems ignore talk radio it will make this kind of shit real to 10s of million

these assholes will get the teeabggers screaming about obama and the gop will use it to threaten an investigation on obama and they will use it as leverage to get deals and compromises.

all because dems and the left ignore talk radio.

japple

(9,773 posts)
40. I am not sure this is a reliable source, but I'm throwing it out because it makes sense.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:54 PM
Mar 2017

If it's the Palmer Report isn't a reliable or acceptable source, please let me know.


According to the Los Angeles Times he has $50,000 of his own money tied up in the winery, which is remarkable considering that the same report lists his total net worth at just $51,002. In other words, the winery is all Nunes has.


https://www.palmerreport.com/news/russia-devin-nunes-donald-trump/2019/

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
57. I'm not familiar
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 07:54 PM
Mar 2017

with the Palmer Report, but on face value, it's interesting. Certainly, something spooked Nunes.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
41. Apart from a confession, it's hard to think of many better gifts than Nunes just gave us
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:59 PM
Mar 2017

The levels of stupid are quite remarkable.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
43. Nunes had two major goals today, I'm thinking...
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 06:15 PM
Mar 2017

1. To taint his own investigation before it could pick up momentum

2. To tell the WH just how heavy the evidence is against them so they can be prepared, and more likely to warn them that this scandal will be too big for containment


But ironically by doing this, Nunes made the ice under Trump's feet that much thinner...

democrank

(11,052 posts)
46. Does anyone here remember Trump saying
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 06:31 PM
Mar 2017

a few days ago that some interesting information would be coming in a week or two about his Obama/ surveillance claim? I can't remember where I heard it but I know I did.

Just like magic and pretty much right on schedule, Nunes produces such information.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
47. He always breaks the story ahead of time when he is told something...
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 06:33 PM
Mar 2017

Just as when he told Russia to make Hillary's emails public.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
48. Ok. Calms me down.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 06:46 PM
Mar 2017

My impression was that Nunes was trying to help the cover up in any way he could and was giving a life raft to the Repugs and their media.

But your words make sense.

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
63. Nunes got spooked.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 08:45 PM
Mar 2017

It is very possible that he was shown evidence that his name came up during the transition. (Actually, it's more than likely.)

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
68. Hmmm. Quite a theory.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 08:58 PM
Mar 2017

So they're all in on it?

Shades of Rosemary's Baby---"It's all of them! All of them!"

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
72. It doesn't require
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:44 PM
Mar 2017

Nunes to have been an informed part. For example, if the Russuan ambassador called Boris Badenov and said, "I just spoke with Flynn about those sanctions. He assured me not to worry. He said that in time, he can count on an idiot named (masked), from the House, who is assisting on the transition, to help us on future deals," it would spook him. Nunes was freaked by "masked" names that he easily identified.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
49. Notice the statement from Rep. Nunes
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 06:53 PM
Mar 2017

This is a quote from the Hill.

"Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) criticized Nunes for his surprise announcement earlier in the day that he had seen intelligence intercepts that showed authorities had incidentally gathered information on members of the Trump transition team during investigations that the chairman said were not related to Russia."

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/325298-schiff-i-have-grave-concerns-over-nunes-surveillance-claims

One of the things I have wondered about through out the talk of ties to russia was there other things going on with dipshit and or his group. With this group it seems no chance of furthering themselves with power or money would be left behind. If they saw a child with a quarter and no one around I think it would be in their pocket fast. Illegal finances? Influence peddling? Mob ties? Ties to other governments? (Such as Flynn and Turkey.) A lot of possibilities.

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
64. Huge point.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 08:47 PM
Mar 2017

And you are on target with Flynn and Turkey.

I'm amused that some folks still believe Flynn was fired for lying to Pence. The only "evidence" of that came from the White House. As always, it was a lie.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
50. Excellent post
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 06:57 PM
Mar 2017

Slowly but inexorably the enormity of the Russian interference is coming out.

Good to see you, H2O Man.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
54. It is legal for the NSA to listen to any foreigners communications. Bush and the GOP made it so.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 07:23 PM
Mar 2017

Foreigners do not have any right to privacy. Which means that any American communicating with a foreigner has to know that the NSA is almost certainly listening in.

The fact that Trump and Co. seemingly did not know that U.S. intelligence had a legal right--no, make that a duty under the law--to keep track of foreigners, their actions are worse than treasonous. They reveal a level of ignorance that is disturbing. No one as dumb as Trump should have his finger anywhere near the red button.

So, is Trump gonna plead ignorance with his ignorant base? Will they buy it? Probably. But they still won't buy losing their health insurance so health insurance companies can get a bailout. That violates the outlaw code.

mchill

(1,015 posts)
71. Remember when Trump said, a week ago, that news would be coming out soon vindicating him?
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:40 PM
Mar 2017
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-claim-idUSKBN16M2YQ

So was this dog and pony show by Nunes the news? If so, they are conspiring together.

LuckyLib

(6,814 posts)
92. Was Nunes info what Trump was talking about last week? I had the sense that Nunes was
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 01:54 AM
Mar 2017

rushing over to deliver this important new information. So Trump was already in on the theater.

coeur_de_lion

(3,663 posts)
91. So tell me the truth
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:10 AM
Mar 2017

Is Nunes really that f-ing stupid?

How the hell did he think making his little speech was going to help Cheetoh?

I want to ring him up and ask him -- what color is the sky in your world?

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
97. Nunes is in
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 01:05 PM
Mar 2017

way over his head. He lacks any background in actual intelligence issues. That shows.

It would be almost funny, if this wasn't so serious.

creoledna

(40 posts)
93. What the President DIDN'T know.....
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 06:52 AM
Mar 2017

I'd be interested in your (everyone's) opinion on
the thought that the antics we have seen with the "wires tapped" are simply attempts by Trump's lawyers to flesh out what the intelligence services (including foreign)
actually know. I think Nunes agreed to having Comey we come before the intelligence committee for just that purpose. The entire unmasking line of questioning was simply to find out how wide spread is the knowledge.

Comey threw an off speed curve ball by confirming to the public there is enough evidence to pursue and expanding the universe to include The Entire Campaign Apparatus. The investigation would necessarily include the post election time period since anyone's actions to cover up what was done would be included as all conspiracies do.

I am also of the opinion that Friday night in Florida is when he was advised by his "real" lawyers and the results are the Saturday morning "fishing" excursion.

(I know the Nunes prank yesterday was lifted straight out of a Professional Wrestling script)

H2O Man

(73,319 posts)
98. Interesting.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 01:18 PM
Mar 2017

I think that a number of people -- including Trump -- thought they had pulled it off without detection. But that confidence has been shaken, starting most obviously when Trump cut Flynn. That wasn't due to Flynn's "lying" to the white worm.

Trump's outburst wasn't simply to focus the alt-right's hatred on President Obama.

Peachhead22

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103. Why did Nunes go to the WH?
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 03:35 PM
Mar 2017

Another question that @EricGarland on Twitter brought up that I hadn't thought about:

Why did Nunes personally go to the WH to see Trump? If he needed to talk to Trump that bad why didn't he just pick up the phone? I'm sure there must be secure phones between the Capitol Building and the WH to discuss classified stuff in a hurry.

Is Nunes that paranoid that he or Trump is currently under surveillance? If by any chances Nunes is correct and they are being surveilled. Then they are surpremely screwed. A FISA or criminal judge wouldn't approve it, especially against them, unless they were already profoundly screwed.

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