Can we maybe stop using the expression "LOCK THEM UP"...

[orangecrush]

Or "LOCK HIM UP"?

In my humble opinion, we should never under any circumstances reflect their lockstep thought processes.

" They should be facing charges, or ought to be incarcerated because", or something along those lines, at least shows there is some thought involved, instead of a knee jerk, purely emotional "Seig Heil!" typical Trumpster outburst.

This has been a public service announcement from orangecrush.

Your mileage may vary.

[JTFrog]

1. Ok.

Lock Him The Fuck Up!

Better?

[orangecrush]

2. Not really.

Thanks for trying, though.

Are you saying you disagree with the point I am trying to make?

I can't see the thought process.

[JTFrog]

3. Too bad. nt

[orangecrush]

4. I edited my post

For further clarification.

Hope that is helpful!

[gopiscrap]

18. I disagree sadly we live in a sound bite nation

most fucking morons with basement IQ's (who always vote republican) wouldn't understand a more nuanced message

[Doreen]

20. Hey!! I do not have a huge IQ and I flippin voted for Hillary.

[gopiscrap]

21. you have a bigger IQ than you think

most trump voters have an IQ in negative territory

[Doreen]

23. Yeah, then explain why every single IQ test I take I am always 1 point below average.

[gopiscrap]

24. I'm talking these folks are way below average

[Doreen]

25. OK, I guess one measly point does not matter.

I must admit though that there are smart repukes and they scare me the most because they should know better.

[orangecrush]

49. Not to worry

The smart repukes are too smart for their own good.

And an I.Q. score doesn't show the beauty and wisdom in your heart.

[Doreen]

50. Aww, thanks.

[orangecrush]

69. Nothing but

The facts, maam.

[orangecrush]

51. If they don't understand

We are communicating poorly.

Bill Clinton was a master of the art.

[FarPoint]

106. Ahhhhh

No...Lock him and his crime family Mafia thugs up..

Lock them ALL UP.

[AgadorSparticus]

8. Snort!

[sheshe2]

84. +1000

[Submariner]

5. Lock the republican c********r up

How's that for ya!

[elehhhhna]

83. The original posters user name checks out

[NCTraveler]

6. Lock that piece of shit up.

[rock]

7. Don't appreciate irony?

Well, I do. So, "No".

[Ms. Toad]

9. Thanks for trying.

Far too many around here (and in the Democratic party, generally) have decided that if it worked for the Republicans, we should adopt it and give them a taste of their own medicine - not recognizing that their medicine is a part of who they are; a part of what makes them so cruel that we won on AHCA because more than 22 of them believed the AHCA was not cruel enough.

We can't adopt their tactics without becoming them, becaue the means are not distinct from the goal, they are part and parcel of the goal.

[orangecrush]

35. Thank you

For understanding exactly what I was getting at with my post.

[cwydro]

10. A lot of DU seems to have espoused the Repub way of talking.

"Lock him up" is just one example.

The puerile name-calling, generalizing, and disdain are right out of the Shitgibbon's playbook.

A shame.

[orangecrush]

37. Exactly

Thank you.

[loyalsister]

11. Thanks!

Given what I have heard about prison, I don't think I could take any kind of delight in someone having to live that horror.

[tavernier]

12. Free country

but we are the party of imagination and originality, so borrowing from the dolts is, IMO, lazy, and we can do much better.

[orangecrush]

47. Thank you

We are smarter than that.

[liquid diamond]

88. We tried going high and it got us president trump.

Fuck being classy. This is war. Lives are on the line.

[LOL Lib]

99. You post fact.

This is war. This is not going to go away just because we ask pretty please. The scum of the earth has risen to the top and replaced the cream that was Barack Obama.

[tblue37]

13. I believe the intention is to shove the GOP's hypocrisy in their faces. nt

[frogmarch]

15. Agreed. nt

[orangecrush]

45. I believe

Falling into their way of thinking is a trap.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. It's hyperbole.

[Kahuna7]

16. I have no plan to stop using that expression. Sue me. nt

[LakeArenal]

17. I will agree with you....

As I wanted to stop using the term "nasty woman ". That is a gop term that I find offensive and want never to "stick". As a matter of fact, they have a whole vocabulary I wish would disappear. We can start with "republican".

[orangecrush]

44. Thank you

Right on point.

[LOL Lib]

113. I'm proud of the fact that I'm a nasty woman and it

Ruffles the repuke feathers. I embrace their evil and it can no longer be used as a weapon to minimize me or any other woman who does the same. Does it offend me if someone calls me a bitch? Nope! C word? NOPE! Once someone goes there I take pride in knowing that I occupy space in their head that they will never get back without serious introspection. Most are incapable of such a turnaround. They will waste their lives obsessed by thoughts of nasty women, while I forge a path littered with obstacles laid by old men long dead. I only fail when I allow one of those obstacles to halt my progress. Please do not give my enemies power by empowering their words.

[LakeArenal]

145. I'm not giving any of your Power to anyone.

I just find it unnecessary to use many pejoratives in an exchange of ideas. Quite frankly I'm not a bitch or nasty. Whether some gop thinks I am is irrelevant to me. I know what space I take up in the universe. If they or you choose to use words as weapons that's up to you. You must feel their words have power. So you use them. I find them unessecarily negative. I wish it would go away. You don't. There you go.

[NightWatcher]

19. We lose the average 'Murican when we get into policy wonk talk. We need to keep it simple.

Bumper sticker phrasing is short and to the point.

[gopiscrap]

22. exactly

[orangecrush]

43. Bumper sticker rhetoric

Is for demagogues like Trump.

Obama never had to stoop that low.

[NightWatcher]

53. Yes we can & Hope and Change are two examples that he used

[orangecrush]

64. POSITIVE messages

Not the cries one expects to hear from an angry mob.

[randr]

27. We should save it for the perp walk

[PatSeg]

28. Yes

It really bothers me when Democrats imitate outrageous things that republicans do or say. Oh, I can't say that phrases like "Lock him up" don't pop in my head now and then, but I would hope that we would always try to take the high road. That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight back and fight hard, but with truth and principles, not lies and hate.

[orangecrush]

42. Thanks

My way of thinking.

That's why we are democrats.

[PatSeg]

158. Exactly!

The world sure doesn't need more "republicans"!

[orangecrush]

159. To me

The energy associated with those words is the same energy that fuels their hate.

I want no part of it.

[PatSeg]

160. I agree

You shouldn't imitate that which you oppose. Unfortunately, we often do just that. It only fuels the hatred and creates an endless vicious cycle.

[FakeNoose]

30. My favorite is "Bring back the guillotines"

[Gabi Hayes]

131. roll out the tumbrils!

[orangecrush]

136. ...

[mindfulNJ]

31. Why use many words

When 3 gets your point across?

I'll stop using it when they ARE locked up.

[orangecrush]

38. Because

That's what they do.

[MFM008]

32. When they go low

And we try to go high.
We lose.
We watch them run our lives and destroy
The planet.

[orangecrush]

41. We did not lose

Look at what's happening now.

Their dishonesty and greed are going to be their ruin.

[GaYellowDawg]

96. Really? We didn't lose?

How many Republican governors and state legislatures are there vs 2008? What's the makeup of the House of Representatives? The Senate? Who's sitting in the White House? Which party was able to spit on the Constitution by holding the Supreme Court at 8 justices and steal a spot?

We may win in the long run, but we got immolated in the short run.

[orangecrush]

135. Trump

And the first 100 days of his administration are going to give us both the house and senate back.

That's my prediction.

Then justice will take it's course, unobstructed

[GaYellowDawg]

143. I sure do hope you're right.

[WinkyDink]

133. Bwahahaha!

[exboyfil]

33. HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE

[orangecrush]

39. Much better

And far more intelligent!

[ProudLib72]

34. I cannot think of a cogent reason not to do so

But if it makes you feel better "tRump for Prison 2017".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. It's hyperbole.

Sheeesh

[Dem2]

40. Couldn't agree more

I'm rather tired of the left either lifting their language, or even using it sarcastically (#MAGA!).

[dawg]

46. I come from a long, proud line of spiteful little bastards who ...

live just to throw people's stupid shit right back into their own damn faces.

LOCK HIM UP!

[0rganism]

48. who is this "we" kemosabe?

i'll say this much: the GOP already has an easier time with messaging than Democrats.

which one rolls off the tongue at a political rally or protest?
"LOCK HIM UP"
or
"the perpetrators should face charges and be incarcerated on conviction"

try chanting each of them three times and see which one works out best for you.

hell, let's drop the tongue bit entirely. which one works better in a fund raising email?

[smirkymonkey]

55. +1000

[orangecrush]

56. Bill Clinton

Was an absolute master of explaining Democratic ideas in a language that the common man could understand.

I do not believe that our party should lower ourselves to the level of a demagogue.

[JHan]

95. For real?

Yeah, Bill was a great charismatic leader who was not a demagogue..

Because come rain or shine, we don't vote for demagogues.

Nothing we're doing here is remotely close to demagoguery.

We should not tone police ourselves in the face of a horror show of a presidency that wants to overrun every bit of progress we've had over the past 80 years.

We're just democrats enjoying some schadenfreude pie.

And it's a delicious pie:

1 cup dark brown sugar
1 cup dark corn syrup
1/2 cup molasses
1/2 cup (1 stick) butter
1/2 cup semi-sweet chocolate chips or chunks
3 large eggs (I used brown eggs in keeping with the spirit of things, but white eggs are fine)
2 teaspoons cinnamon
1 splash Kahlua or other coffee liqueur
1 graham cracker pie crust (9 or 10 inches). Choose regular or chocolate graham cracker crust according to taste.

Preheat your oven to 375 degrees (Fahrenheit). Melt butter in largish mixing bowl; add in corn syrup, molasses, brown sugar and cinnamon. Mix well. Melt chocolate; fold into existing mixture. Add eggs and Kahlua; mix vigorously until mix has an even consistency. Pour into pie crust (depending on size of crust you may have a little filling mix left over).

Shove into oven, center of middle rack, and bake for about 45 minutes. At 45 minutes, poke pie with butter knife. If butter knife comes out clean, your pie is done; otherwise give it about another five minutes.

Once you take the pie out of the oven, let it set at least 20 minutes before you dig in. It’s really good when still warm, however.

Serving recommendations: small slices (this is an awesomely rich pie) and an ice cold glass of milk to go with it.

[orangecrush]

100. Thank you

For the absolutely wonderful recipe!

[JHan]

105. lol you're welcome :)

[0rganism]

97. so who's the next Bill Clinton to step in and make complicated ideas accessible?

when Democrats force ourselves to engage in disciplined nuanced communications, we put ourselves at a significant disadvantage competing against an opponent with considerable marketing expertise and no compunctions about aggressive sloganeering.
and when we funnel ideas through a select number of approved sources talented enough to express a body of such subtleties and details masterfully, we get accused of elitism.

our politicians should not feel bound to an overly complicated set of messages and talking points. even moreso, the people who bother to take time from their days to rally in support of our politicians should not feel those bindings. imho. i'm far more concerned about the tendency of our rallies and protests to erupt in violence -- vandalism of commercial districts followed by overzealous police response, driving an unhealthy distance between our various causes and the communities they would most benefit.

[orangecrush]

98. Please provide me

With the examples of democratic ralllies erupting in violence with destruction of property.

[0rganism]

142. more a problem for our protests than our rallies

quite the opposite for the Trumpists

[WinkyDink]

120. Two words: President. Trump. Ya like those BETTER?

[RoadhogRidesAgain]

52. Taking the high road doesn't work

Wake the fuck up. Taking the high road is open invitation for the GOP to walk all over us.

It's time to fight fire with fire

[smirkymonkey]

57. Hear, hear!

Completely agree. Being the well behaved adults on the stage has not served us at all. If we need to sink to their level to start winning and getting the message out, then so be it.

[NurseJackie]

58. The "High Road" is a sign of WEAKNESS! We should be OUT FOR BLOOD! No prisoners, no quarter.

[orangecrush]

63. I seem to remember this womans husband

Winning two elections.

[NurseJackie]

65. Awww... I remember that! Sadly, this ain't no primary. Times have changed, haven't they?

If the other side is cheating, and we're "playing by the rules" to "set a good example" we will ALWAYS LOSE.

[orangecrush]

67. We did not lose

Because we took the high road.

We lost because of Russian interference supported by traitors in the Trump campaign.

And I promise you it will not end well for them.

[NurseJackie]

72. Yes we did.

[orangecrush]

75. Then we agree

To disagree.

[NurseJackie]

82. Sure, whatev's.

[orangecrush]

101. ...

[orangecrush]

59. It is time to show America that we are better

Than demagoguery and the GOP.

That we can govern effectively, as contrasted with the chaos we are witnessing now.

[rzemanfl]

54. Throw away the key? Firing squad? Feed them to the lions? Burn them at the stake?

Break them on the wheel? Draw and quarter them? The last four are kind of harsh, but they may deserve it.

Wait, drown them slowly in hooker urine?

[orangecrush]

60. How about a special prosecuter

And an independent investigation?

You know, things that actually can happen.

[rzemanfl]

61. I didn't know actually happening was a requirement. I though you wanted something besides

"lock up." Silly me.

[orangecrush]

62. I wanted something

That might show people who read this website to see how Democrats think and react, how we are completely unlike the Trump people and the GOP, not just the opposite side of the same coin.

[rzemanfl]

68. We are a vengeful bunch and impatient. With ample reason. n/t

[orangecrush]

70. Ample reason, yes.

But REASON is our most formidable weapon.

[rzemanfl]

87. So is spelling correctly. n/t

[orangecrush]

103. Oops

Thanks.

[WinkyDink]

122. Oh, we'll be sure to beg AG Sessions for this. I bet he'll agree if we ask nicely enough.

[orangecrush]

127. He was forced to recuse himself

From the investigation.

If I am correct, his second is an Obama appointee.

Hopefully this person will have that power.

[WinkyDink]

130. Heard of Sally Yates?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/politics/trump-immigration-ban-memo.html

[orangecrush]

132. Yup

I do follow the news.

[liquid diamond]

66. No. They did the same shit to Hillary.

[orangecrush]

71. Yeah, and they stink like shit

From throwing it.

We don't.

[liquid diamond]

89. No more being classy to assholes. Democrats need

to win. If it takes being mean, so be it. Enough of this not stooping to their level bullshit. This is war.

[still_one]

137. We have a so called occupant in the WH who is doing everything to destroy the environment, civil

rights, women's rights, healthcare, and has so many conflicts of interests, it is pathetic. I have to shake my head and wonder about this concern.

[blue neen]

73. I think maybe you're missing the "Irony" part of Democrats chanting "Lock him up"...

But, if you don't like it, come up with something better. Thanks.

[orangecrush]

77. Special prosecuter and independent investigation NOW!

I like that better.

[blue neen]

81. Um. That's a little wordy.

You get three words. GO!

[orangecrush]

134. Special Prosecutor Now!

[blue neen]

149. That won't fit on a bumper sticker!

Better get it down to three syllables....and hurry, by the looks of things, we're going to need it very soon.

[orangecrush]

151. I get your point now

Have a good night!

[nini]

74. No

Fuck 'em

[JHan]

76. lol. I was going to type this very thing.

Lol.

[nini]

78. Lol

Im outta fucks to give wirh those traitors.

[orangecrush]

79. When people see us repeating GOP bumper sticker slogans

Word for word, it fucks US.

[nini]

112. You think they're going to change their minds anyway?

Those you talk about are hopeless and kissing their butts isn't going to help. If they've decided to align with those traitors me wanting throwing their words back at them to all be locked up wont' sway them.

[elehhhhna]

80. No. We're talking about treason. If we can't use any words that any Republicans ever used,

We will have to stop talking. You go first LOL

[Lint Head]

85. Only using the expression in a sentence. If Trump and his

criminal mob friends colluded with the Russians and are eventually convicted of comitting a crime, they should be locked up.

[MoonRiver]

86. Nope. Sorry but I really enjoy saying that about people who commit crimes against humanity.

[sheshe2]

91. Agree, thank you.

[sheshe2]

90. When I see a party

that wishes to pass legislation to mass murder millions of Americans so the richest 400 people will then see millions in tax cuts then yes, I want them locked up.



ACA Repeal Would Lavish Medicare Tax Cuts on 400 Highest-Income Households
Each Would Get Average Tax Cut of About $7 Million a Year

http://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/aca-repeal-would-lavish-medicare-tax-cuts-on-400-highest-income-households


That makes them murderers and thieves. Lock them up.

[MoonRiver]

92. I'm really hoping Flynn rats Rump out and we get our wish!

[sheshe2]

94. Soon....please please please...soon.

[orangecrush]

116. My wish as well.

Taking the low road didn't lead them to victory.

It led them to destruction.

[GaYellowDawg]

93. No, for several reasons.

1. Trump and all the traitors in his campaign/administrationshould be locked up. Not pardoned, not put on probation, not put in some country club minimum security institution. They should behind thick bars with peeling paint and concrete floors. Locked. Up.

2. I want Trump voters smacked in their faces with their own words. I want them to realize, deep down, just how badly they messed up, and I want them constantly reminded with their own words. "Lock him up." "Is this how you MAGA?" "F**k your wall." If we don't, then it will be 4 years down the line and we'll hear about how Trump was a "Democrat plot" and how all the decent Trump people voted against him. They need to hear their own words hit them over and over and over so that denial is not an option.

3. Regarding "lockstep" - individualism is to be valued, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with party unity in the face of what we oppose. We don't have to be a herd of damn cats all the damn time. And not every chant - not even every purely emotional chant - is automatically equivalent to "Seig heil", and only a demagogue or a fucking idiot would claim that equivalence. Or do you think that "No more war!" - a purely emotional chant - is a Nazi chant? The term "Godwin's Law" is as terribly overused as Nazi analogies, but it applies here.

4. I'm guessing you completely missed the irony of telling us what we shouldn't say whilst claiming to combat lockstep. "Don't be in lockstep! But follow these rules for dialogue!"

[orangecrush]

108. "Hope and Change"

"No More War"

"Yes We Can" =

Positive messages.

[GaYellowDawg]

109. So...

It's OK to be in lockstep and chant, so long as you approve. That's what I thought your message was upon first reading, but thanks for confirming.

[orangecrush]

114. Here's mud in your eye

Or, in your case, red clay?

Have a great weekend.

[GaYellowDawg]

115. Ha! I disagree with you, but well played!

You have a great weekend, too.

[orangecrush]

117. ...

[world wide wally]

102. Republicans were saying this based on spite

We are saying it based on justice.

[orangecrush]

111. I enjoy your posts

And I guess I'm not communicating my point of view well.

Hope you're enjoying some great spring weather!

[Afromania]

104. PTOT!, PTOT!

Put them on trial so we can lock them up.

[dem4decades]

107. How about "Lock him the fuck up" or "Lock up the fuckup"

Either would be fine with me. And I wouldn't mind singing a little ditty about treason either.

[orangecrush]

110. When I come here

It is to get a break from Trumps tweets and his supporters lies, not to hear something that was screamed by rabid Trump supporters at hatefests repeated word for word ad nauseum.

I really don't understand the problem, I guess.

[WinkyDink]

119. No, you don't. Many of us are TIRED OF BEING DEFEATED BY THIEVES AND ROGUES, OKAY? Sorry if that

upsets your sensibilities.

WE AIN'T PLAYING TIDDLYWINKS.

[orangecrush]

125. The intelligence community

Certainly doesn't play tiddlywinks (or even winkydinks!) and they certainly are doing a top notch job of exposing these traitorous scumbags.

When these folks have to take action to save us from a domestic/foreign coup, you know we are in grave danger.

[nini]

126. Yep

My choice of words is pretty colorful too

[WinkyDink]

118. Oh, MM definitely does V. DEFINITELY. This is NO time for the Marquess of Queensbury rules. NOT

with traitors and men who would steal from MEDICAID AND MEALS ON WHEELS.

No, you're right. No more "LOCK THEM UP!"

I'LL GO STRAIGHT TO "STRING THEM UP!"

Howzat?

[orangecrush]

123. I stand to lose

Both my medical coverage and my disability benefits.

I understand the emotional reactions completely.

The problem with allowing emotions free reign is that they are, by evolutionary nature, far more powerful than the rational part of our mind.

I feel that shifting the emphasis from the former to the latter is in our interests.

Emotion can motivate people to act, and that is good.

Acting without thinking strategically is bad.

Just my opinion.

[grantcart]

121. Saddle them with mountains of legal fees!!!!

[orangecrush]

124. INDEPENDENT PROSECUTOR NOW!

We're on a roll!

Btw, I'm honored by you posting on my thread.

[WinkyDink]

128. Once more into the breach: "The decision to appoint a special prosecutor rests with the attorney

general (or acting attorney general), or historically, with the president."

Good luck with that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_prosecutor#Initiating_a_special_prosecutor_investigation

And BTW---this has zero to do with your topic.

P.S. Nobody likes any suggestion about curbing their speech. Capisce?

[still_one]

129. Sorry, I will call it as I see it. If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, its a duck

[orangecrush]

138. As is your right.

Plenty of room here for civil discussion.

[Catherine Vincent]

139. I agree with that

I didn't like it when those morons did it and we shouldn't respond in kind.

[orangecrush]

141. Thank you

The last thing I want to sound like is them.

[TheDebbieDee]

140. LOCK THEM ALL UP! LOCK THEM ALL UP! LOCK THEM ALL UP!

Because the President isn't the only TRAITOR in the White House...

[HipChick]

144. Asking for a friend...so when they are locked up are they

keep with general population in Prison?

[orangecrush]

146. Nixon's crew

At least a few of them, went to a minimum security fed prison in Pa. called Allenwood.

There is lots of info online about that.

However, incarcerated is still incarcerated.

It was surely an educational experience and a radical change of lifestyle for them.

[HipChick]

147. Most definitively...

[VOX]

148. Seat them near the window and serve them watercress finger sandwiches!

I hear what you're saying, I once was all for the high road myself.

But I'm 67 years old, and have fought this battle all my adult life. I've watched JFK, MLK, Jr., and RFK get shot down like dogs, as were 4 students at Kent State. I've lived through the lie that was Vietnam, and the "high crimes and misdemeanors" of the corrupt Nixon crew. Reaganomics, Iran-Contra, the insane hatred of the Clintons, an impeachment (lying about a blow job), the 2000 election fiasco, WMD and the Iraq invasion/occupation based on a LIE. Barack and Michelle Obama disrespected on a shameful scale that exposed a newer, more virulent strain of blind hatred and racism. And a nation now so ideologically divided that a solution or compromise is seriously in doubt. The final insult, a hate-spewing reality-show buffoon stealing an election by colluding with a hostile, totalitarian power. As things stand right now, the parallels to 1930s Germany are very real, and not some nutty conspiracy crap. We've got one foot planted in fascism. It's do-or-die time.

So forgive me if my emotions run hot, because as you can see by my history, there's a highly personal stake in seeing our country do what's right for its people. All of them, not just the uber-wealthy or privileged. I've been around long enough to observe that things are rolling backward. Our shared goal must be to change that.

[orangecrush]

152. Fantastic post

Thank you and I am right beside you in this fight.

[we can do it]

150. How bout lock all of them up?

Better?

[JenniferJuniper]

153. "Send them to the gallows!"

Traitorous bastards.

[jrthin]

154. Well...That's Exactly What I Want To Happen. nt

[Renew Deal]

155. Lock them up

[Chemisse]

156. I agree.

When they said it it was completely unjustified, and revealed that Trump followers respond with nothing more than blood thirst.

We are different and we should sound different. We have so much more to work with, Trump's offenses are very serious indeed, and we have the intellect to convey how dire the situation is without sounding like a lynch mob.

[orangecrush]

157. Thanks for explaining

Exactly what I was driving at!

[Cha]

161. "Perp Walk!"

orangecrush

[orangecrush]

162. Sounds good, Cha!

[orangecrush]

163. You know, Cha...

In retrospect, this thread isn't really so much about three words, as it is about who we are.

Do we believe Michelle Obama's words about "taking the high road?"

Hunter S. Thompson once said that there was one good thing about Nixon - if you were against him, you could be sure you were on the high road.

Nixon and Trumps low road lead to destruction.

When we allow ourselves to get caught up in their adherents trap of fear and hate, the terrorists win.