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SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 12:07 PM Mar 2017

Bernie Sanders: Dems should get credit for killing AHCA

Sen. Bernie Sanders and President Donald Trump seem to agree on one thing when it comes to the failure of the GOP health care bill: Blame the Democrats.

"Democrats should take credit for killing a really, really bad piece of legislation," the Independent senator from Vermont told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Friday night.
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"We defeated it because we heard the American people, we fought for them and today we won for them," Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell told CNN's Kate Bolduan on "Outfront." "And what we can do next is work with Republicans to improve the Affordable Care Act."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-health-care/index.html

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It is now clear to everyone that Democrats are not "weak" and "unable to fight back." We fight for the American people.

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Bernie Sanders: Dems should get credit for killing AHCA (Original Post) SunSeeker Mar 2017 OP
Well I hope it's clear to everyone ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #1
When we stand united, we win. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #2
Yes ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #3
All we could do was stand at the LA Women's March--there were too many of us to march! SunSeeker Mar 2017 #4
Yay LA! NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #16
All I have to say to you is dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #23
And 10,000 Democratic women have signed up to run for office. JTFrog Mar 2017 #31
Yes indeed. nt SunSeeker Mar 2017 #32
It was republican incompetence that killed the AHCA comradebillyboy Mar 2017 #5
Oh? ismnotwasm Mar 2017 #6
"Not anything the Democrats did"? How about passing the ACA in the first place? SunSeeker Mar 2017 #8
Yeah, it's not like it was the hard work of Dems to pressure the incompetent Repubs or anything. synergie Mar 2017 #10
Well, that shows you how much you know about. Cha Mar 2017 #13
Nancy Pelosi keeping her caucus tight was an incredible accomplishment. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #27
I saw something that summed it up pretty well: vi5 Mar 2017 #7
just what would you have them do besides what they did dsc Mar 2017 #24
I saw very few statements or press conferences or anything of the sort.... vi5 Mar 2017 #25
Good job, Bernie! synergie Mar 2017 #9
+1,000,000 asuhornets Mar 2017 #22
Glad it's CLEAR to EVERYONE NOW, SunSeeker! The DEMS are NOT Cha Mar 2017 #11
Those insults and attacks on our great Democratic Party are over the top. I'm not sure ... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #14
That's just it.. It's not telling it like it is.. if that were happening Cha Mar 2017 #15
Of course Democrats should get credit! That's really a no-brainer fact... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #12
The House Democrats were heroes NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #17
Loved the Dem Rep who kept telling each GOPer how many would lose coverage in their district. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #18
I missed that! NastyRiffraff Mar 2017 #19
Do you know who the Dem rep was? SMC22307 Mar 2017 #21
No, I wish I did. Rachel mentioned his name but I forgot. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #28
No problem. I'll Google... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #29
Let me know if you find him. My Google search just got irrelevant garbage. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #30
Many Americans are listening to him... SMC22307 Mar 2017 #20
I will give a lot of credit to the people who called their representatives, and attended the still_one Mar 2017 #26

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
4. All we could do was stand at the LA Women's March--there were too many of us to march!
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 12:36 PM
Mar 2017

People had already filled up the entire march route and all the side streets by the time it was supposed to start. I was in awe as we all stood there shoulder to shoulder that beautiful Saturday morning, 750,000 of us in Los Angeles alone.



NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
16. Yay LA!
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 08:35 PM
Mar 2017

Same thing happened in DC; there were so many there for awhile we could only stand there, until finally the organizers figured out a way to get going! I'll never, ever forget it; it was the most inspiring event I've ever been to. I made friends there, two of which I had lunch with today.

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
8. "Not anything the Democrats did"? How about passing the ACA in the first place?
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 02:11 PM
Mar 2017

Dems stood in unison in Congress to defend the ACA and got the word out about how many would lose coverage under AHCA. If the Dems did not pass a good healthcare law that Americans were willing to storm town halls to save, we would be living under Trumpcare.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
10. Yeah, it's not like it was the hard work of Dems to pressure the incompetent Repubs or anything.
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 05:15 PM
Mar 2017

Open your eyes to what actually went on.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
7. I saw something that summed it up pretty well:
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 01:11 PM
Mar 2017

Trump/Ryan: "Pass this sadistic healthcare bill!!"
Republicans: "No! It's not sadistic enough!"
Democrats: "We did it!!!"

I mean I'm glad there were no defectors. But that was a big gamble to take. It seemed to me to be just more of the approach of "sit back and wait for the GOP to implode." Problem is that while it worked this time it's not going to always work (as we've saw with November's election) and they have to come up with a more aggressive and pro-active approach or the problem is they WON'T get credit for it.

The narrative on this healthcare failure is that it was Republicans who killed bad legislation because they were the ones out there talking about how bad it was. It's only when people dig down into the details (which few people bother to do) that you find out that it was because the bill wasn't cruel enough.

They are doing great on the Gorsuch nomination, and the AHCA going down is a good thing. But I didn't actually see the Dems doing much to take credit for defeat other than getting out of it's way.

dsc

(52,129 posts)
24. just what would you have them do besides what they did
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 11:27 PM
Mar 2017

they publicized the bad aspects of the bill, had no defections or even talks of defections whatsoever, and reponded to grass roots campaigning

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
25. I saw very few statements or press conferences or anything of the sort....
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:29 AM
Mar 2017

....I saw facebook and twitter posts by some of them. But compare it to the amount of times during the ACA debate and votes that we saw McConnells and Boehners mugs on tv and it was a stark contrast.

The fact is that there was a chance this could have passed, and that was a gamble. And the other fact is that now the narrative is that "Republicans killed the bad healthcare bill." Nevermind that the Republicans killed it because it wasn't draconian and sadistic ENOUGH for them.

And yeah, maybe there was no other approach to take other than letting the Republicans implode. Which I'm open minded enough to think is a possibility on this one. Problem is that seems to be the only approach our leadership is able to take on most things, and every time it's a gamble. It was essentially what they bet the November election on. Lay low, let the Republicans hang themselves with their own rope, and we'll hopefully win. Well it didn't work out that way and there will be plenty of issues that it won't work out that way on.

And if all you did was sit back and do nothing and let the Republicans implode and it works then great......but then you don't get to take victory laps and you don't get credit for actually doing anything other than rolling the political dice.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
9. Good job, Bernie!
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 05:13 PM
Mar 2017

See, it is not him hogging credit, it's his followers wresting credit from the people and bestowing it upon him. No need to bash dems or the party. We win this fight when we stand together and fight our mutual enemy.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
11. Glad it's CLEAR to EVERYONE NOW, SunSeeker! The DEMS are NOT
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 05:50 PM
Mar 2017

"feeble" and "can't fight back".. they are just the damn Opposite.

So happy that is CLEAR NOW!

Mahalo!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. Those insults and attacks on our great Democratic Party are over the top. I'm not sure ...
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 05:56 PM
Mar 2017

... if I'll ever be able to forgive that. I mean, seriously now... can you IMAGINE the outcry if Donald Trump had said such nasty things about our beloved Democratic Party and its leadership?

Would Donald Trump get the same "kudos" and praise and atta-boys and fist-pumping cheers for being so "honest" and "telling it like it is" ... I think not!

The whole thing is just so unseemly and unnecessary. Why would anyone want to cause these divisions and amplify the distrust that many are feeling?

LOL Loveya, Cha...

Cha

(295,899 posts)
15. That's just it.. It's not telling it like it is.. if that were happening
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 06:38 PM
Mar 2017

.. it would be how strong and what a brilliant fighters our Dems are!

We're in the fight for our very lives.. all hands on deck. Someone with a megaphone doesn't need to be sending the wrong, inaccurate message for whatever reason.

Mahalo, Jackie!

My leader..


NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
12. Of course Democrats should get credit! That's really a no-brainer fact...
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 05:51 PM
Mar 2017

... and I'm not sure why everyone is "singing his praises" simply because he stated the obvious. (LOL)


LOL

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
17. The House Democrats were heroes
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 08:38 PM
Mar 2017

Nancy Pelosi UNITED them; there was not one defection. Ryan, who had a MAJORITY, lost to our Democrats. Thanks, Sanders, for pointing out the obvious.

And kudos to the House Democrats!

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
18. Loved the Dem Rep who kept telling each GOPer how many would lose coverage in their district.
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 09:36 PM
Mar 2017

Rachel showed a clip of this Dem Representative in the House who would take to the floor after each Republican blowhard would speak in favor of the AHCA and he would state into the record the CBO's estimate for that Republican's district of how many of his constituents would lose coverage if AHCA passed. It was brilliant.

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
28. No, I wish I did. Rachel mentioned his name but I forgot.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 01:59 PM
Mar 2017

It was not someone I had heard of before.

SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
29. No problem. I'll Google...
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:14 PM
Mar 2017

cuz I like his approach. Not all Republican voters are impervious to facts... Democrats just need to keep drilling into them how damaging Trump/Republican policies are!

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
30. Let me know if you find him. My Google search just got irrelevant garbage.
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:41 PM
Mar 2017

I guess if all else fails, we can always rewatch the Rachel episodes on her website. It had to be either the Wednesday, Thursday or Friday show.

SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
20. Many Americans are listening to him...
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 10:01 PM
Mar 2017

including Indies with whom he has a high favorability rating, those in poor, deep red West Virginia, and, I imagine, the Trump Troubadour who's already turned on Drumpf over healthcare. Preach it, Bernie, connect the dots for those who need the dots connected!

still_one

(91,937 posts)
26. I will give a lot of credit to the people who called their representatives, and attended the
Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:33 AM
Mar 2017

town halls telling those representatives how essential healthcare was to them, and how the republican plan was going to take away things from their healthcare, not improve it

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