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Sun Mar 26, 2017, 03:52 PM

RICO Suave

Last week surely ranks high among the worst ever for any presidential administration in modern times. Indeed, it marks one of the lowest points for a president in the nation's history. Much of the White House distress was a direct result of their corruption and incompetence …..yet, as Rachel Maddow documented so well during the week, the massive grass roots demonstrations against republican efforts to repeal “Obama Care” also played a huge role.

The humiliating defeat of the Ryan-Trump plan shows that not every republican is willing to suckle on Trump's appendage in the manner of Devon Nunes. It would be an error to believe that the republican refusal to support their president was due to the Ryan-Trump bill alone. Reports on how ignorant Trump was on the bill's details

Thus, they see a president who has been put in check by the federal courts on his Muslim immigration ban; a president leading an administration being investigated for serious charges by the FBI, in coordination with the rest of the intelligence community; a president who tweets outrageous lies about President Obama; and a president who is incapable of grasping the issues involving health care. It is therefore same to conclude that congressional republicans are confronted with two questions: How did this man get elected? And how closely do they have to associate themselves with his failing presidency?

Both questions lead directly to the FBI investigation. And as bad as it appears to the public, and as damaging as the media reports are, the talk in the offices in the House and Senate is far worse. That doesn't mean that the average republican is going to behave as if they know how bad it is for Trump et al right now. This is not an attempt to ascribe even a hint of patriotism or ethical standards to them, for their behaviors are entirely self-serving. They prefer the comfort of office more than they care about Trump and Steve Bannon.

It appears most likely that the “intelligence” shown to Nunes last Tuesday night was from Jerome Corsi. And that Corsi held this meeting upon the request of Steve Bannon. Think about that. On Wednesday morning, Nunes rushed to talk first to Paul Ryan. What he did after that was – at very least – given the okay by Ryan. And the entire operation fell flat: Nunes's behavior was the issue, and his ability to lead the House intelligence committee questioned.

The single best source on the televised reporting on the Trump-Russian scandal is Malcolm Nance. Between his book on the topic, and his on-going analysis, one could be forgiven for thinking that he is playing a role in the effort to remove Trump from office. There are two things that Mr. Nance said at the end of the week that are extremely important.

First, he made clear that the FBI is conducting an investigation based upon violations of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO). The prosecutions will not be for treason or espionage, except in the court of public opinion. Yet, looking at the definition of RICO shows why this is a better fit for the federal government's system to process:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act

One can argue about the Constitution's description of “treason.” Even the US Supreme Court's ruling in 1952 on Kawakita v United States was a 4-3 decision. But no one will be able to view the current administration as organized crime, and a group that dealt with Russian organized crime – including to coordinate efforts in the 2016 presidential election.

As documented in the above link, RICO can involve both criminal and civil charges. While there is a history of not charging a sitting president with criminal charges, in the 1990s, the government shifted to make a sitting president face civil charges. This created grounds for the House republicans to move to impeachment, advocating a case that defied logic.

In the current administration, there is already more than enough evidence to indict and convict several of the Trump campaign's players. The current investigation is focused upon those two famous questions: What did the president know? And when did he know it?

To prosecute the higher levels, the FBI benefits from “turning” participants who will inform on others, in order to obtain a deal. There has been interesting speculation on which of the suspects would rat on the others, for they are all rats. But Mr. Nance has said that the first rat is none other than Flynn.

In an case of an investigation that started last summer, events have picked up momentum in recent weeks. In large part, that seems likely related to Flynn having ratted his buddies out. The attempt to discredit the House intelligence committee, Bannon, Corsi, Nunes, and Ryan engaged in last week's failed effort. More and more elected representatives in the House and Senate are advocating for a more thorough investigation, including a possible Senate Select Committee. Within a month, it's likely that there will be agreement that a special prosecutor be named.

I think we should begin lobbying for Preet Bharara be appointed to that position.

Peace,
H2O Man

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H2O Man Mar 2017 OP
NRaleighLiberal Mar 2017 #1
H2O Man Mar 2017 #3
Horse with no Name Mar 2017 #2
H2O Man Mar 2017 #4
mopinko Mar 2017 #5
H2O Man Mar 2017 #20
Sculpin Beauregard Mar 2017 #6
cannabis_flower Mar 2017 #12
Sculpin Beauregard Mar 2017 #13
H2O Man Mar 2017 #22
Pachamama Mar 2017 #52
H2O Man Mar 2017 #21
CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2017 #7
H2O Man Mar 2017 #23
CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2017 #25
H2O Man Mar 2017 #27
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #8
H2O Man Mar 2017 #28
Sculpin Beauregard Mar 2017 #38
H2O Man Mar 2017 #44
eppur_se_muova Mar 2017 #69
voteearlyvoteoften Mar 2017 #9
H2O Man Mar 2017 #29
longship Mar 2017 #10
H2O Man Mar 2017 #30
Ligyron Mar 2017 #11
dchill Mar 2017 #17
Sensitive soul Mar 2017 #72
NBachers Mar 2017 #14
Sculpin Beauregard Mar 2017 #15
IthinkThereforeIAM Mar 2017 #19
H2O Man Mar 2017 #60
SunSeeker Mar 2017 #16
H2O Man Mar 2017 #31
blogslut Mar 2017 #18
H2O Man Mar 2017 #33
democrank Mar 2017 #24
H2O Man Mar 2017 #34
Raine1967 Mar 2017 #26
H2O Man Mar 2017 #35
Raine1967 Mar 2017 #37
H2O Man Mar 2017 #39
Raine1967 Mar 2017 #40
H2O Man Mar 2017 #41
H2O Man Mar 2017 #45
mackdaddy Mar 2017 #49
H2O Man Mar 2017 #51
GP6971 Mar 2017 #32
H2O Man Mar 2017 #36
coeur_de_lion Mar 2017 #42
H2O Man Mar 2017 #43
coeur_de_lion Mar 2017 #46
H2O Man Mar 2017 #47
coeur_de_lion Mar 2017 #55
H2O Man Mar 2017 #57
coeur_de_lion Mar 2017 #66
Pachamama Mar 2017 #48
H2O Man Mar 2017 #50
Pachamama Mar 2017 #53
H2O Man Mar 2017 #58
Hekate Mar 2017 #54
H2O Man Mar 2017 #59
PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #56
H2O Man Mar 2017 #62
PoliticAverse Mar 2017 #65
H2O Man Mar 2017 #67
panader0 Mar 2017 #61
H2O Man Mar 2017 #63
Blue_Roses Mar 2017 #64
tclambert Mar 2017 #68
pnwmom Mar 2017 #70
murielm99 Mar 2017 #71
Sensitive soul Mar 2017 #73

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 03:59 PM

1. ...and as always, most honorable and aquatic one...

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:12 PM

3. Thanks!

I think that the information from Mr. Nance is very helpful in understanding what is going with this case.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:02 PM

2. In complete agreement!

You are my favorite! Excellent work. But. I can't get that damn song out of my head now!

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:14 PM

4. Thank you!

That's so nice of you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:24 PM

5. there are now trying to find out how far the corruption goes.

 

manafort, ross, the fertilizer king, the bank of cyprus.

dovetails w other investigations, imho, ie deutche bank.

i dont think the resident knows shit, to be honest. others worked this out and handed it to them via a trojan horse named manafort.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:49 PM

20. Interesting.

In a sense, Trump may be like Nixon in that way -- he likes the support of gangsters, and approves of their tactics, but doesn't really know the details of the inner workings.

Manafort strikes me as a character from a cheesy C-grade mobster movie.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:24 PM

6. This is awesome!

If someone who twitters could find and tweet that RICO Suave video (by Gerardo) to the deplorables in chief, that would be awesome.

No comment necessary, just send the video 🤣

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Response to Sculpin Beauregard (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 05:21 PM

12. You ask and you shall receive

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 05:28 PM

13. You are the bestest person ever!!!!

😂😂😂😂

Thank you!!!!

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:52 PM

22. Double Yikes!

I can't decide if I should listen to this or not! But either way, thank you!

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 01:20 AM

52. Beautiful - the song fits....both because Trump thinks he is such a ladies man, the word "Rico" for

...the reference to "rich" (bigly) and to the most important reference of the RICO law...

And suave? They all think they are so suave....but let this song be the taunt...

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Response to Sculpin Beauregard (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:51 PM

21. Yikes!

I've never actually listened to that song. I knew it existed, and for whatever reason, while thinking of a title for this essay, it popped into my head.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:35 PM

7. Well said, my dear H20 Man!

I am looking forward to this scenario unfolding.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:53 PM

23. Thanks!

It brings back some memories, doesn't it?

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #23)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:07 PM

25. Sure does.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:12 PM

27. It's strange ....

I know my kids would view this as similar to my often-expressed belief that "our" music was superior to current things, but even our gangsters had a little more class. Though Nixon had violated the Constitution, and had no better option that resigning in total disgrace, he did express some respect for the Constitution. But these Trump creeps don't give a shit about this country, its history, its Constitution, or its people.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:52 PM

8. RICO punishment can be civil forfeiture. Can seize all tRump's assets & make him sue to get some bac

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:14 PM

28. Huge point.

Very important. Thank you.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 08:41 PM

38. I'd love to see this degenerate and cabal

Stripped of assets.

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Response to Sculpin Beauregard (Reply #38)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:11 PM

44. That would

be a good thing.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 02:19 PM

69. Which would also require an accurate accounting of just what his assets really are ...

... and I believe that would cause a whole house of cards to collapse. The Donhole has always disputed others' estimates of his wealth -- which are consistently lower than his own -- but all such estimates are uncertain because there are so many interlocking shell corporations under the Trump brand. No one should be surprised if his net worth turns out to be negative, because of unacknowledged debts to Russian oligarchs, which are, in effect, really debts to Putin. Only Putin wants payment in services rendered even more than he wants cash, which may be all that gives him a paper fortune.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:55 PM

9. Well stated

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Response to voteearlyvoteoften (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:14 PM

29. Thank you.

Much appreciated!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 04:59 PM

10. Well put, good DU friend.




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Response to longship (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:15 PM

30. Thanks!

I think this information is helpful for appreciating how this process is unfolding.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 05:04 PM

11. Preet Bharara

I'll second that.

Just the man for the job!

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:14 PM

17. Plus, as I understand it , he's available!

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Response to dchill (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 30, 2017, 04:04 PM

72. Ha

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 05:29 PM

14. I have long said that the Republican party is a continuing Rico criminal enterprise.

The prosecutors can cast a wide net, like they do for criminal gangs and drug organizations.

We have to keep this alive so Nunes and the Republicans can not sweep it under the rug and make it go away. They are co-conspirators

And, I agree, Preet is best suited to be special prosecutor. I also have to give huge recognition Adam Schiff, and Liu.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 05:38 PM

15. Well said!

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Response to NBachers (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:40 PM

19. Ditto...


... I have called for RICO vs the GOP/RNC for over a decade. Those involved can lose everything and more when convicted. It may be the only type of justice they appreciate(fear).

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Response to NBachers (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 11:40 AM

60. Right.

We can go back to the days of Nixon as vice president, as an example of when their party became closely associated with organized crime at the highest levels.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:07 PM

16. Yep. RICO violations are a lot easier to prove than treason, and more likely than impeachment. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:27 PM

31. Absolutely.

And they are what is needed for impeachment.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:18 PM

18. Politicians have a Prime Directive: Get Re-Elected

That directive overrides patriotism, policy and party. It is why they align with the principles of mega-donors because, above all, money assures electability. Politicians do not consider the desires of their constituency because they rarely encounter them. Americans are woefully uninvolved in civic affairs.

Except this year. This year, the people are showing up. Hundreds of thousands of people have flooded towns halls, made phone calls, sent letters and they have, collectively, scared the shit out of the politicians. It is a beautiful thing and I pray it continues well past this administration.

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Response to blogslut (Reply #18)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:33 PM

33. Well said.

Thank you for this. You hit the nail on the head.

"Now" is the time for a concentrated grass roots' lobbying effort with the House intelligence committee.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:59 PM

24. Thanks once again, H20 Man.

Because of his background and straightforward way of communicating, Malcolm Nance's reasoned deductions make me sit up and take notice. His RICO opinion makes a lot of sense.

Preset Bharara as Special Prosecutor would be perfect.

~PEACE~

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Response to democrank (Reply #24)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:36 PM

34. I respect Mr. Nance.

I don't agree with him on the issue of why people are opposed to fracking, and would like the opportunity to talk with him for an hour about this. But in the context of what he knows about counter-intelligence, he is outstanding.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:08 PM

26. Could you clarify something?

How does Jerome Corsi play into this?

I have been following this all very closely and had not seen his name raised (WRT this hot trump/Russia/Flynn/all the players) until now.

Why do you believe that Corsi gave info to Nunes?

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #26)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 08:09 PM

35. Sure.

Corsi's name hasn't been mentioned in the news yet. But some details about Nunes's little adventure have been. At first, people questioned who his source was. He began pretty early in the morning. Since then, at least one aide has confirmed that Tuesday evening, Nunes got a phone call, and disappeared without telling the aides where he was going. This enabled his early morning performance.

The part about Corsi being who he met with is something I was told was "most likely" this morning.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #35)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 08:29 PM

37. Interesting.

I read that Nunes took a call and bailed on his senior staffer. (the uber thing and whatnot)

I had not heard that Corsi might have been the person placing the call to Nunes.

As I am sure you know there is a lot of speculation that the Info Nunes got was from the WH.

The Corsi angle is very new and surprising to me. Will keep my eyes peeled to it.

Thanks!

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 08:57 PM

39. If it was Corsi

(and I think that's very likely), he would have gotten the information from the White House. ( I'm not serious here: but perhaps Judge Andrew Napolitano wasn't available. He's studying up, in case Trump appoints him to the Supreme Court.) But the WH would have used a cut-out, to get Nunes properly excited.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #39)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:00 PM

40. That makes a lot of sense.

This is all so bizarre.

yes, they would need a cut-out, that clicks with a narrative I have been seeing.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #40)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:03 PM

41. Right.

It appears Bannon picked Corsi. What a pair,

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #41)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:20 PM

45. PS:

Something to think about: Bannon wants to destroy our present government, not reform it. Guys like him prefer Putin to President Obama, largely because Putin is white ....but also an authoritarian. Bannon resents Mr. Nance for related issues. Look at both of their time and service in the military.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #39)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 12:31 AM

49. Corsi is also the WH "reporter" for Alex Jones Infowarts..

During the October surprise Weiner stuff I watched a few minutes of an Alex Jones Infowars on a Youtube. (a few minutes was all I could watch.) But Alex was claiming that he was getting leaks about the FBI email investigation from both Agents inside the NYC FBI office and from investigators inside the NYC PD that were all Trump supporters. Some of it did seem to track later, but was all crazy land stuff.

Infowarts are all buddy buddy with Brightbart and Bannon, and Corsi has had long ties with all of these people going back to the SwiftBoat crap he wrote to Corsi being one of the main Birthers to "pizzagate" to now a "WH Correspondent" for Infowarts.

So yes you may have something there with these connections.

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Response to mackdaddy (Reply #49)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 01:15 AM

51. Right.

These squirrels do get some "information" from some right-wing fellows from a NYC office. And these "journalists" are all connected.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:27 PM

32. Excellent Read!! n/t

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Response to GP6971 (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 08:09 PM

36. Thank you.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:08 PM

42. Always the smartass


"I think we should begin lobbying for Preet Bharara"


I love it.

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #42)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 09:10 PM

43. I can't help it.

It's a funny idea, but also makes perfect sense.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #43)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 10:57 PM

46. It would be so so perfect

I'm going to say a couple Hail Marys tonight just to make it so.

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #46)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 11:02 PM

47. If I drank,

I'd consume a massive quantity of Guinness.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #47)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 07:22 AM

55. You are Irish

Drinking Guinness is a requirement. When did you quit?

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #55)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 11:24 AM

57. Well, I didn't

quit so much as stopped. Encountered a few health issues in recent times.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #57)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 01:01 PM

66. Well good on ya

Health comes first.

I have to admit I am a shame to my heritage when it comes to drinking. I am a light weight. When in Ireland I had an average of a Guinness a day if that.

I always think I should be able to drink whiskey like a champ but I can't drink it at all. We had a party at the office last year where whisky was served and I had to wait several hours to drive. I didn't drink that much at all -- maybe an 8th of a cup -- and I was plastered.

Its embarrassing.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 12:29 AM

48. + 1000

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #48)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 01:10 AM

50. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #50)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 01:41 AM

53. Seriously Waterman....when I read your post and have been thinking about it, I couldn't stop

...smiling because you explained it well and it's all coming together and it's good to know smart people are all working behind the scenes on this. The only part of this story you mentioned that I didn't get is Corsi. But then again, it's as if all the scum collected, so then it does make sense.

All the dots are being connected...

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #53)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 11:35 AM

58. All the dots

are absolutely being connected. And the men and women working to connect them understand and appreciate that this isn't a Democrat vs republican issue. It's about organized crime, working with the "government" (also organized crime) of a hostile state.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 01:54 AM

54. Peace back at you, Waterman

I find this very cheering indeed.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #54)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 11:36 AM

59. Very good!

Thank you.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 09:58 AM

56. Why do people need to go with "treason" or even "RICO" when simple conspiracy is sufficient? n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #56)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 11:45 AM

62. Interesting.

I think that people say "treason," because they know the Trump campaign was coordinating with agents of a hostile government. But in terms of the legal system, it would not be a good fit.

"Conspiracy" alone is not a criminal charge. People need to be involved in a conspiracy to commit a crime. Thus, charges identify what the nature of that crime is .....for example, "conspiracy to commit murder."

In this case, the conspiracy -- and the actions to promote it -- will be identified as RICO violations.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #62)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 12:20 PM

65. Yes there has to be an underlying crime, but it can be any crime... remember Nixon

was named an "unindicted co-conspirator"...

18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #65)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 01:11 PM

67. Right.

But that's only part of what they are investigating.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 11:42 AM

61. I missed this yesterday.

K and R.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #61)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 11:46 AM

63. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 12:12 PM

64. Awesome!

I've wondered who called Nunes at such a late hour and caused his deer-in-the-headlights look since then.

Hmmm...so, Jerome Corsi. Haven't heard that name in a while. This thing has taken on a life of its own. I need a flow chart to keep up with it all!

Great read! Thank-you!

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Mon Mar 27, 2017, 01:49 PM

68. Preet Bharara for special prosecutor! Excellent suggestion.

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Mon Mar 27, 2017, 03:01 PM

70. I think Preet Bahara's firing might have been a set-up so we would trust him.

I'd rather someone else be chosen, just in case.

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Mon Mar 27, 2017, 05:09 PM

71. Jerome Corsi...

Now there's a blast from the past. Corsi, Roger Stone...

What other old villains are they going to recycle?

Oh! I know. Liddy. Where is G. Gordon Liddy?

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Thu Mar 30, 2017, 04:14 PM

73. I remember

A time ago reading about Trump's involvement with money laundering and was wondering why it seemed to go away (or maybe I just wasn't paying attention). Was glad to see it surface again because it seems so obvious to me. IMHO

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