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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes anyone wonder what Christopher Hitchens would be saying about all this?
Yes, I know he had a lot of progressive enemies and I know he was divisive, could be a dick, and he loathed the Clintons. Still, I miss his voice. I miss him.
Mike Nelson
(9,951 posts)...pulling a Dennis Miller or Geraldo Rivera - I envision him becoming a Trump supporter, I mean.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Wasn't a fan ...
JenniferJuniper
(4,510 posts)Christopher was wrong about Iraq, but Trump? Never.
Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)I was always mad at him but still miss him.
JI7
(89,247 posts)personal rather than political differences. maybe clinton took his girlfriend or something.
but he would NOT support Trump. he did not support Palin either.
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)He'd also be completely honest that he supported Donny because his administration would be a total disaster for everyone. He'd sound a lot like Susan Sarandon on Colbert or Maher lately. He'd be happy to see the U.S. taken down a peg and that Russia was responsible. Also, he'd revival in the schadenfreude of Christians destroying a so called Christain country.
longship
(40,416 posts)Hitchens was many things, definitely a crotchety person, but he was still a progressive. His support for the US Constitution very much aligns with mine. He was demonstrably wrong about Iraq, but that in no way detracts from his eloquence nor his debate abilities. Notably, he was noted as a very gracious and polite person. I can easily forgive him for his meddling with libertarianism.
His polemics were legendary. For instance this. On Jerry Falwell's death he said on live TV, "If they had given him an enema he could have been buried in a matchbox."
Read his book, God is not Great sometime. It is a wonderful and honest polemic. During his nationwide book tour he purposefully asked his publisher to guide him through the Deep South of the USA where he would debate Christian apologists at every stop always to packed venues. Often these events were so well attended that the apologist would ask Hitch to extend his stay for a repeat on the next night. Hitch accommodated those requests more than once.
Outside of his somewhat gruff exterior, Hitchens was a very gracious, polite, and nice person.
I miss him a lot. We lost a good one.
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)So you're saying he'd support Clinton?
Nothing about what you wrote makes clear that he would have held to his so-called progressive values. Pointing out his Iraq war support illustrates his disdain for religion and how it blinded him to truth. I was born an Atheist and have listed to Hitchens for decades. Didn't like him before his Iraq misadventure when a lot on the left were singing his praises. I've always felt that Hitchens damage non-believers by his corrosive demeanor.
longship
(40,416 posts)So his demeanor was not so corrosive in person as those who did not interact directly with him.
And I'm by far not the only one who says this about him.
As he died before 2016, I have no idea whether he would have supported HRC. I suspect no. He surely would viciously oppose Drumpf.
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)I'm sure your not but there are a lot of people who think the worst of him as well.
That's the point I'm making. If he wouldn't support Hillary but oppose Donny. He'd be just as useless as Sarandon.
longship
(40,416 posts)If one claims they can, they're just making shit up. Even my speculations are suspect here.
He was a misogynist.
Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)Although I understand why some people might. He did piss me off a lot in that department, especially with his "women are not funny" stance. He was old school, but mostly on our side.
doc03
(35,325 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)Gaydon Carter thought Hitch did some of his best writing when he was loaded.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)opine about today's world, he would say it eloquently, scathingly, brilliantly.
Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)He was brilliant. Often an asshole, but brilliant.
Leith
(7,809 posts)Hitchens has a lot of detractors, some in this very thread. They spread all sorts of nasty things about him and I think that it's because of his abrasive words, tone, and voice. It's understandable. There are many things that he said that I think were wrong (like hating a caricature of feminism while claiming that it was mainstream, for example), but he was right most of the time and could defend his stance, usually with abrasive force.
The thing that Hitchens talked against most and seemed to hate the most was stupidity and the self serving lies people told themselves to keep a tight grasp on their delusion of the moment. He would not spare delicate feelings or even let the delusional speak at times. More than once he told audience members to sit down, be quiet, and not waste his time.
He may not have like HRC much, but I think he would not have supported orange boy at all. Hitchens would have torn DFT to shreds for his self-imposed idiocy, unfounded arrogance, pathetic need of constant adulation, and the obvious con job he was pulling off.
I don't think he would have liked any of the candidates of any party, but, imnsho, he would have found Sanders to be the least objectionable.
If he had lived long enough to vote in 2016, he probably would have left the presidential part of his ballot blank.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)some of which were wonderfully enjoyable. I'd agree completely with some, and then he'd lose me as he made the mistake (imo, of course ) of not stopping while he was ahead. Far more clever than wise.
And that his troublemaking voice is not added to all the trouble we already have...well, something to be glad off, even as we regret not having him. Hitchens was for good times, to help us question our smugness, not a provider of answers in bad times.
I admit I found him too irritating and intolerant to read more than occasional articles, and the first few chapters of a book involving religion that I made the mistake of actually purchasing. Can't remember the title, but it's in my shelves somewhere. Waiting to be weeded on our next move. Or maybe I'll let our children do it.
But I found this description of W that pretty much fits a good half of all conservatives: He is unusually incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated, and apparently quite proud of all these things. The "abnormally unintelligent," of course, a function of all the rest.
And this, "The four most overrated things in life are champagne, lobster, anal sex, and picnics." At least he had plenty of opportunity to sample before settling on those.
littlemissmartypants
(22,632 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,632 posts)Recommended.
See his interesting signature here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hitchens
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littlemissmartypants
(22,632 posts)Recommended as a cross post to the Religion group.
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Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)I don't know how to x-post, though.
littlemissmartypants
(22,632 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)frogmarch
(12,153 posts)couldn't stand him. That is, I couldn't stand watching him on TV. I didn't know him personally.
coti
(4,612 posts)Thank you, Leslie Nielsen.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,632 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Some other things, too.
Still, while Hitchens certainly had a way with words, the mind positively shudders at the sorts of language Dr. Gonzo would undoubtedly come up with to describe the Nixon-on-Krokodil nightmare that is this Trumpocalypse.
jeanmarc
(1,685 posts)HST would have a field day with this story. And it would be funny as hell.
He had the guts to commit suicide, but he shouldn't have done it. Lots of people loved him.
Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)Including the VF pieces.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)George Carlin would've thought of Trump. I really wish he was still around. I'm sure George would have had some choice words for Trump. As for Hitchens? Sometimes he was okay, other times a dick.
RandySF
(58,772 posts)lame54
(35,284 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)"Images in a Rearview Mirror The Nation", The Nation (November 15, 2001).
Catherine Vincent
(34,488 posts)Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)And then he would realize his ability to comment from beyond the grave means that there is an afterlife of sorts. And he would follow that realization up by saying "Fuck!" to himself under his breath.