Mark Cuban Gives Theory About Donald Trumps Russia Connection, And It MAKES PERFECT SENSE!

[OxQQme]

The main takeaway? Cuban believes Trump was simply clueless about any Russian influence on his campaign and his team. In Trump’s brain, Russians are his friends and business buds.

1) Here is my take on Trump and Russia

2) Russians have made him a lot of money buying condos and investing in his bldgs and hosting his beauty pageant.That makes them his friends

3) He ignored their backgrounds. But that's not unusual. Starbucks takes anyone's money and so do most businesses including mine.

continuing with more (juicier) tweets:
https://www.truthexaminer.com/2017/04/mark-cuban-gives-theory-about-donald-trumps-russia-connection-and-it-makes-perfect-sense/

[triron]

1. where does he come up with this?

sounds like bs

[nycbos]

4. One of the tactics the Russians use is to...

... enlist unwitting pawns. I guess the point is Donald is too stupid to know when he is being manipulated.

[politicaljunkie41910]

18. That's it exactly. Trump can't see the forest for the greed.

The Russians have bailed him out. They've loaned him money. They've bought his overpriced properties. Trump thinks it's all because he's a good businessman. The Russians did it because they think he's STUPID and when you're a dictator and an oligarch, you can be patient and allow things that you've set in motion over a long period of time, to come to fruition. Putin is a member of, and the former head of, the KGB. Trump is an idiot who inherited a fortune from his Daddy, and blew most of it on stupid deals that didn't work out and then allowed himself to be aligned with Russian oligarchs because he convinced himself a long time ago that he was the architect of the "Art of the Deal". We are witnessing the last acts of a desperate scoundrel. Trump.

I read today that Ivanka and Jared's net worth was listed at $750M. It would not surprise me to learn after this nightmare of a presidency is over, that he owes them money. Why else are they putting up with this nonsense unless they've lent him money and need his presidency to be a success in order to recoup their money from him.

[Hortensis]

5. Sorry, but the whole post seems open to question.

All sources presented here and elsewhere should be researched for reliability. Searches on "Truth Examiner" bring up many questions. Media Bias Fact Check (not the last word of course, but) describes it as an unreliable extreme left site:

The Truth Examiner is a far left sensationalized news and opinion website. They offer stories with overt left wing biased loaded words, misleading headlines and often poorly sourced information. The source is left wing propaganda.

Now, some people here find great value in this stuff (as opposed to propaganda sources on the far right), but almost every story that has actually been investigated will have been, or will be, reported on by sources with reputations for honestly trying to inform their readers.

Btw, note the the general message of this seems to be that 45 could be innocent. To me, perhaps the most interesting part might be the dissemination of this message. Mounting the "innocent dupe" Reagan defense. Does some strategy involve persuading those who follow this source that Rump should not be prosecuted? If so, who would paying for such a thing?

(Pretty sure it wouldn't be Mark Cuban, btw, no matter what might be quoted.)

[brush]

6. I think trump knew something was up but didn't want to know details...

for plausible deniability reasons.

Remember, he asked the Russians to hack the Dems during the campaign.

He wasn't completely clueless.

[jmg257]

30. He asked the Russians to 'hack' an email server that had been wiped 2 years

Earlier?

How is that even possible?

[brush]

33. The fact that he publicy asked Russians to get involved in our election is the point.

[jmg257]

34. Not a very strong one. Obviously a stupid jest on his part, especially

Now with all taht has come to light.

[brush]

40. All that has come to light shows it wasn't a stupid jest.

He was communicating with the Russians as to how he wanted help. And they hacked the DNC, voter rolls, Podesta and who knows who and what else?

[jmg257]

42. He wanted them to release 30,000 emails that HRC had deleted 2 years before, if they could find them

With all the meetings between the trump team and Russian contacts, I don't think the Russians needed trump asking during a debate to find emails that did not exist as some code for help.

[brush]

43. Let's just say he asked Russia for help and they helped his campaign...

way more than finding some emails.

That's pretty apparent and reason to get him out of the job, IMO.

[jmg257]

44. Agreed.

[uponit7771]

49. +1

[uponit7771]

48. +1, the collusion itself is the invention and the hacking followup

[SharonAnn]

24. I think he's definitely possible. There's no way 45 could think and plan his way through

the complexity of what apparently happened. I don't think he has strategic skills and I'm sure he doesn't have any detail skills.

I know, he says he 'hires the best people" but we know that's not true.

[Cracklin Charlie]

2. I don't think so.

Is cluelessness an acceptable defense?

Trump hires the best people? I don't think this will fly.

[JHan]

3. is this Mark's excuse for Trump not properly vetting the people around him?

yeah okay.

[JustAnotherGen]

38. My thoughts exactly

Seems like Cuban is "in the fix" to excuse 45/140. See Hortensis' post upthread. I don't need fan fiction, theories or tweets.

I need truth.

The article muddies the water.

[Panich52]

53. As I was thinking. SCROTUS is gung-ho f/ "extreme vetting"

Of course, we all know he's a conman who pitches to his base, but in admitting he knew Russians did the hacking, it would be very stupid biz-wise to them fill his cabal with such folk.

[applegrove]

7. Except that Manafort and Stone and Roy Cohn were all hanging

out with Trump 2 decades ago. And Trump would have been in their orbit all the way back. Plus when he was questioned about the reduction of anti-Russia arms to Ukrainian republican platform change, the only platform item the Trump Campaign had any interest in at the GOP Convention, you could see on camera he was lying. He claimed he didn't know anything. That he had nothing to do with it. He was either lying about that or he knew at the time his campaign's Russian ties were a problem at that point. And that was in mid summer 2016.

[Warpy]

8. He lost me at 11

I think he did know what was starting to happen but being clueless about most political things, he simply had no clue either to how bad it looked or what to do about it. He was also likely cautioned not to dump either Manafort or Flynn and now Bannon.

He had to have known part of what was happening. That wasn't a token fine his casino got hit with in 2015 for laundering Russian mob money. Like most people who get sucked in by the mob, anybody's mob, he simply had and has no clue how to extricate himself without losing money or risking his life.

He's ignorant but not quite that ignorant. Give him another six years or so for the dementia to progress.

[uponit7771]

51. +1, 10 million for money laundering with the Russians isn't a slap on the hand. Yeap, he knew ...

... no one in their right mind is going to believe he didn't

[unblock]

9. mostly i agree; more to the point, i think donnie had no clue a russian connection was a bad thing.

i agree he thought it was a continuation and extension of a business relationship.

i think he had no idea that extensive connections with russia would be a bad thing until he started getting some pointed questions about it in the campaign.

at that point he does what he always did and lied about it. oh, is russia bad? ok, then, i've never heard of putin and have no business in russia, so there.


the problem i have with this whole scandal is not the he didn't realize the extensive connections with russia.
the problem i have with this whole scandal is that it never set off any alarm bells with donnie.
i think it never even occurred to him that anyone would have a problem with his close ties with russia, until it was too late.

[uponit7771]

52. +1, I agree 100% ! A person who defrauds college students to the tune of 25 million doesn't think...

.... connections to the Russian mob is a bad thing and says "who cares" until someone does and then he bold faced lies about them.

I also agree with Nance; RICO is nearly a lock way more than collusion but I still think collusion is at arms reach

[unblock]

54. i almost don't get what's missing for the collusion.

he publicly called for russia to commit espionage, they did what he asked, and he publically used the contraband.

isn't it open and shut just from that? is it just too right in front of our collective noses?

[uponit7771]

55. I'm not a lawyer but I'd think that would be a crime in and of itself. Hey you people, rob that bank

.... and give me some of the money after you're done.

Don't see how that wouldn't be a crime

[PsychoBabble]

10. Caroline O begs to differ ....

She takes Cuban on point by point in her Twitter feed ... here is just one of them:

Link to tweet

I usually trust Caroline's analysis, for what it's worth. You can click through to see his/her tweets.

[gordianot]

11. I think Trump wants to be Putin.

Then he can rape, pillage, steal, lie and kill anyone at will. He wants to be boss and he wants to be worshiped. He has no better angels. In spite of his unique status in American Political History the next offering from the Republican Party will be worse.

[benld74]

12. Cuban is off mark on this

There are pix of him and Bannon from 2016
Looks like a meeting if some type
He's got $$$ is all
Needs to stay on Sharks show

[Thomas Hurt]

13. Trump could be an unwitting stooge....

but why should the American people continue to suffer someone who is so stupid, incompetent or arrogant.

He could also a witting stooge for ideological reasons or for money

He could also be a witting stooge because he has been compromised over money, sex, etc.

He could also out and out made a deal with Russian officials for their help in exchange for removing sanctions. This is why his campaign and admin is full of people with all these ties.

Finally, he is a traitor seeking to use Russian help to not only get elected and make himself money, but to crater our democracy, centralize power around himself and make himself an US version of Putin.

Take your pick. In any case he is a grade a sociopath that needs to go soonest.

[onecaliberal]

14. Ignorance, willful or otherwise is no excuse or defense for criminal activity.

[we can do it]

15. Wrong. Starbucks doesn't give you coffee in return for sonething later.

[nolabels]

35. That would be a great marketing concept, imagine all the repeat customers!

[Takket]

16. ignorance of the law is no excuse

i want this fucker in an orange jumpsuit and chains.

[apcalc]

17. i believe he always knew it...

and that he thought it was ok, just business as usual...

[blogslut]

19. BLOTUS is a front for mobsters.

He has been since forever. They loan him money and he launders theirs. He's just expanded his racket to include Russian mobsters.

[jaysunb]

26. +1. n/t

[rufus dog]

20. Get fucking back to me

when I can walk into Starbucks with 10k of dirty money, I buy a coffee, hand them 10k and they give me 15k of change back.


Sorry to be a dick, but this pisses me off that he can somehow be normalized. And fuck Cuban too.

On edit, i just read the Cuban thread. And I strongly say, FUCK THIS BULLSHIT!

[BadgerMom]

21. Exactly.

[58Sunliner]

57. Thank you. Talk about straining the bounds of credulity.

[blue neen]

22. Here's what makes sense:

Donald Trump is dishonest, immoral, and unethical. To the bone. And it shows, every day in every way.

So, sorry, Mark Cuban. Not buying your theories today at all.

[OnDoutside]

23. Cuban is wrong to think Trump had no idea what was

Going on. All Trump ever wants to do is win. As he has no moral compass, he has no issue with the dirty stuff, but as a developer he would have his loyal henchmen minions doing it for him...One degree of separation.

I'm surprised Cuban could come up with a naïve suggestion like this.

[NewJeffCT]

47. I agree with that

I agree that Trump probably didn't organize it and wasn't involved in every detail, but I'm sure he gave it his blessing and knew about it.

[Hamlette]

25. I think he's right

so what does that mean legally? His defense will be the same as Reagan's. I was too dumb to know what North was doing. I so hope we don't fall for that again.

[HoneyBadger]

27. Lot of normalization from Biden, Bernie and Cuban in the last day

More than in months. Was this sparked by anything? A lead in to Sunday shows perhaps. Or perhaps by Hillary stepping back into political statements last week?

[wishstar]

28. Sounds like the Joe Scarborough defense of Trump- an unwitting stooge led astray by bad people

That is hogwash. Trump is a master con artist with a long history of deliberate manipulative behavior to further his greedy selfish aims. He has no scruples or conscience and is a sociopath. The man has no respect for US Constitution, civil rights, human rights, freedom of press. He advocates torture, dismisses murderous Russian methods and would happily turn US into a kleptocracy like Russia with him being seen as even more rich and powerful than Putin.

He was well aware that Russians expected lifting of sanctions and other measures helpful to their agenda in return for helping him achieve his goals of more power and money. That has become clear in the revelations that he was directly involved in changing Repub platform and his remarks supporting Flynn talking with Russian Ambassador about sanctions.

[HoneyBadger]

31. Mark Cuban is Russian

His paternal grandfather changed the family name from "Chabenisky" to "Cuban" after his family emigrated from Russia.

[democratisphere]

32. I thought he came from an island 90 miles south of Key West, FL.

No wonder he is giving drumpfanov cover.

[pansypoo53219]

36. they loan him money. so they are swell.

[DeminPennswoods]

37. This is entirely plausible

Cuban's a billionaire, too. He knows Trump and he knows how Trump thinks. Just observing his presidency, it's obvious Trump is not very detail-oriented. He is the classic hands off manager giving direction from above. We know Trump only cares about winning and money, specifically getting/using other people's money. This is what makes Cuban's twitter analysis convincing.

FTR, Chris Hayes retweeted Cuban's original tweets. Link:

Link to tweet

[madaboutharry]

39. Cuban is wrong.

Look at Trump's business practices. All the cheating contractors, the fake "University", the shell companies, and then of course his personal life and his conduct toward other people. Especially women.

No, Mr. Cuban. Trump is corrupt. He knows what is going on.

[kentuck]

41. I think Cuban is mostly correct except...

for the criminal element involved.

More specifically, money laundering on an international scale. And there are probably other crimes tangentially involved with the money laundering, such as extortion, blackmail, and income tax evasion?

[Nevermypresident]

45. Don't agree: While trump is not intelligent,he is morally bankrupt.

He has been dirty for decades. Maybe he was not the master planner; but, he knew.

[Mr. Ected]

46. I think Cuban's right about Russians being Trump's friends and business buds

I vehemently disagree that he was unaware of the Russian meddling in the campaign and the efforts to undercut HRC in the election, though. He was involved. He probably knew it was dirty pool. Maybe even knew it was illegal.

I am certain the evidence will bear this out. Wait for it. It'll be the moment of zen you've been dreaming about since November 8th.

[BainsBane]

50. He knows

He is fully complicit.

[58Sunliner]

56. Really!? What makes sense? That Cuban has ignored all of Turd's history? Is this a joke?

I find it incredulous. Does he also think DT doesn't know Putin is a murdering psychopath? How about some juicier tweets like his Chechnyan puppet-
"RAMZAN KADYROV has few inhibitions. Last week, just before the first anniversary of the murder of Boris Nemtsov, a liberal Russian opposition leader, by a member of Mr Kadyrov’s security services, the Chechen strongman posted a video on his Instagram page. It depicted Mikhail Kasyanov, a former prime minister, in the crosshairs of a sniper rifle. “Kasyanov is in Strasbourg to get money for the opposition,” Mr Kadyrov commented under the video, in a clear warning to opposition politicians. “Whoever still doesn’t get it, will.”
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21690046-alarming-world-ramzan-kadyrov-putins-chechen-enforcer