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(111,141 posts)The situation in Myanmar is especially volatile and Buddhist majorities elsewhere have been known to be hard on religious minorities in the area.
Zealotry, intolerance, and murder use any excuse they can find. Religion is often handiest.
ETA: I should probably fess up and admit I consider myself a Buddhist, albeit a rather bad one. I just realize there are enough black hats out there to go around everywhere.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)I myself am not a very good one either....I try. One of the things I like about Buddhism is that we are taught to be responsible for everything we do and not have someone take the consequences for us. That is one of the things that bothered me about Christianity. Some poor man was supposed to have been killed for MY mistakes....I think will take on the consequences I created for myself.
Tanuki
(14,914 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)... has borrowed some mindfulness and relaxation techniques from Buddhism (and Yoga, for that matter). I have no use for "exotic rituals", nor for the contamination of many strains of Buddhism with theistic ideas. Some versions of Buddhism have multiple gods and demons, which is just silly nonsense.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)They are newer sects. Theravada and Mahayana are two of the oldest sects and do not have gods and demons.
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)Wish we had Jodo Shinshu temple in town, but its not to be. Lots of other Buddhist sect temples around the city though. My family practiced ours at home. I don't live at home any longer, so no I don't practice as much. But yea, I would never want to be anything else and I hate it when someone tries to make me feel guilty for being what I am in order to convert to their religion. Wanta piss someone off? Try and convert them if they don't want to be converted.
Warpy
(111,141 posts)My dad's family was forcibly Christianized, probably as far back as the Black Death. After 600 years, my grandmother still Koshered her meats and taught my Irish Catholic mother to do the same when she asked for cooking lessons. I never had the heart to tell her that's what she was doing when she salted meat and left it on the drainboard for the blood to drain out, finishing it in brine. She did learn that the easiest way to be taken out to dinner was to tell my dad pork was on the menu.
Oh, I think they were wise to choose the cross over the stake, I wouldn't be here if they hadn't. However, culture and tradition run very deep and bullying people to accept different ones isn't particularly effective.
Shoot, most of the favorite Christian holiday traditions are Pagan ones, most Christians being completely oblivious to that fact. Again, culture and tradition die hard deaths even when someone succeeds in killing them off, although what usually happens is that they go underground until the bully goes away.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Though I do not like to consider Buddhism a religion but more of a spiritual philosophy. Being taught to question everything just does not go along with most religions because blind faith is part of most religions and as you know we are taught to never go blindly.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)would rather point out, as just one example, that Christians have built hospitals for others all around the world so the Prophet Jesus must have had a great moral message that motivated many people of goodwill to help ease suffering without any thought of return, and as such provide a useful example that we can learn from.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)I think we are on the same page and would be interested in your thoughts.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)I always love the No True Scotsman syllogism but it isnt apt in this circumstance for 4 reasons.
1) Ontological vs Existential.
When someone says Scotsman it represents a specific set of known criteria; born in Scotland, frugal, speaking some Scottish, etc. That applies to Christianity, Islam and Judaism that have a specific set of explicitly articulated beliefs (creeds) , have specific rites of initiation (sacraments) which results in being certified as a member of the religion.
The construct I am a Buddhist is misleading since there arent any objective criteria you cannot then ascribe to being one of them. The object of Buddhism can best be described as Following the path of Dharma (truth). Arriving at the end of the path (Nirvana) is not possible so the religious discipline is the path not the destination.
Christians, Jews and Muslims have arrived at their destination and want to perfect their domicile in that city. Buddhists are on the train. The point of following the Buddha is not that he is the destination but that he is the most effective teacher. The construct I am a Buddhist is a courtesy to assist non Buddhists understanding what group you are associating with but doesnt really reflect what being a Buddhist is about.
It is not an abstract application. For example, go to the latest posting in the Buddhism group it has an article about some old Buddhists in the 60s.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12491673
In the article it talks about Sufi and Zen master Samuel Lewis. Sufism is a form of mystical Islam. No one objects to someone that describes as a Sufi/Zen Buddhist but to describe yourself as a Sufi Christian or a Sufi Jew would be ridiculous.
After Jesus died there were multiple schools of followers who were loyal to his teachings and they morphed into two major schools, Gnostic and Trinitarians. They had a formal process and ruled Trinitarians in and Gnostics out. Today you can be, a) a follower of Christ b) a Christian or, c) both. If you follow the teachings of Jesus but dont accept the Resurrection you would be a follower of Jesus but not a Christian. In the no true Scotsman framing there is something objective that is known as a Scotsman. Buddhism is a process that defies a neat objective description. Roughly it is the difference between an ontological concept and an existential one.
2) Being proud of being a Buddhist is antithetical to Buddhist teaching.
While the Buddhist disciple follows the path of Dharma there are obstacles and the greatest of these is pride. The whole point of Buddhist meditation and teaching is to reduce the I. Egotistical, national or sect pride is not simply to be avoided, it is the enemy. If you are proud to be a Buddhist then you are moving away from Dharma not towards it. In the No true Scotsman framing it would be asserting the someone from Ireland is more Scottish than a Scotsman. It is analogous to the famous koan If you meet the Buddha kill him
3) Not factual.
It promotes the fallacy that Islamic countries are more violent. The media distorts the reality of the Islamic world. The three largest Islamic countries are Indonesia, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Most Muslims are Asians, there are more Muslims in China than Saudi Arabia. While there are well publicized wars between different groups in the middle East that is foreign to how most Muslims live.
Islam is a clan or community religion. In the secular state there is nothing to regulate behavior between individual ethics and law enforcement. In countries with large Islamic populations communities are controlled by informal clan structures that enforce strict moral codes (much of which we find objectionable) but includes restricting the wide use of alcohol. If you were to take guns and alcohol out of the hands of men between the ages of 15 and 35 I am guessing that the murder rate in the US would plummet. In many Islamic countries they achieve that and as a result have lower homicide rates than countries with large Buddhist populations.
When I lived in Malaysia or stayed in Indonesia there were virtually no murders. There was a murder 2 blocks from my home in Thailand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
If you look at countries that are in the same area and similar level of development you can see that countries with large Islamic populations have much lower homicide rates than countries with large Buddhist populations: Myanmar (15.4) Cambodia (6.5) Laos (5.9) Thailand (3,9) versus Malaysia (2.3) Brunei (2.0) or Indonesia (0.5 Probably underreported).
Obviously if something is not factual it cannot be in harmony with following the Dharma.
4) It is intolerant
Setting up pejorative examples is the basis of intolerance. What attracts me most to Buddhist teaching and living in a Buddhist country is the fresh wind of tolerance. When I arrived in Thailand in 1978 I took an intensive 3 month language course but I couldnt understand broadcast programs on the radio or TV. About 3 months later I was eating breakfast in a rickety little restaurant when the radio turned to the daily Buddhist sermon and I was stunned because all of a sudden I could understand everything (the wide Monk was undoubtedly using simple Thai to reach all levels of education). He spent the next 5 months praising other religions. One example I still represent We should learn more about Jesus because he has inspired so many good works. Look at all the hospitals in Thailand that have been built by Christians to treat Buddhists
In the three decades of living with Buddhists I have never heard anyone ever disparage other religions. Thais are not the least defensive about their culture or religion. The OP isnt simply stating pride in his religion but denigrating other religions. In the No True Scotsman construct it would be as if he were saying there is no such thing as a True Scotsman but there is such a thing as a True Brit.
What I think the OP was trying to say that is consistent with Buddhism:
Communities of devout religious people who are tolerant, empathetic, compassionate are less violent than hostile, intolerant, angry communities. That would apply equally to a devout Mennonite community as it would a devout Theravada community. I am a Buddhist because it makes me a more tolerant, empathetic, compassionate person.
I believe that the OP's response in #8 reflects that we share a common perspective on the subject.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)I would add that acrimony and discord start with trying to maintain/support your personal beliefs, and that the road to understanding starts with simplicity.
I apologize to those who thought I was offering comparisons of tolerance, empathy or compassion.
All of us are becoming. And thank you all for your instruction.
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sagesnow
(2,824 posts)Jesus was a Buddhist monk.
The similarities between Buddhism and Monastic Christianity are there if you look.
If you watch till the end of this documentary, there is mention of a town in Kashmir that claims to be the final burial place of Jesua.
LAS14
(13,769 posts)Life is complex.
Buddhists are engaging in anti-Muslim violence in southeast Asia. Does that mean that you should add a symbol to your graphic?
Shandris
(3,447 posts)Hahahah, oh wow. Western Buddhism REALLY has jumped the shark.
I'll bet Mount Koya would have a chuckle at this. Or a sob.