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Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:19 AM

If Dems Do NOT Block Gosuck, Trump Will Not Be Ousted

At least not until 2019, and if/when Dems take over Congress, it will take a year at minimum to impeach Trump. Assuming the GOP does not block every attempt to get rid of their man.

Do you want two to four more years of Bandit King Trump and all the little Trump princes and princesses? If so, then by all means vote to confirm SCOTUS nominee Gosuck. Because the GOP establishment will hold its nose and put up with Trump's crimes and antics if they think that he can accomplish things for them like installing a law breaking Big Business supporting Justice to replace Scalia.

This nomination is much bigger for Trump than overturning the ACA. If he can not get an ultra-conservative Justice on the court, then his own party has every incentive to dump him. If he can get Gosuck on the Court then there is an excellent chance his party will (grudgingly) tolerate him. And obstruct the Russian investigation.

Even newspapers like the WaPo that hate Trump are all in for Gosuck, because he is Big Business's candidate. If the GOP can not deliver Gosuck, Big Business will pressure the GOP to replace Trump with someone who can. The GOP is all about Citizens United money. Take away the dollars and they lose their raison d'etre.

If Dems fillibuster, the worst that can happen is the Senate goes nuclear--and Dems increase their chances of retaking both Houses of Congress in 2018. Plus, the Dems can then turn around and use the nuclear option themselves--on Trump. And if Senate Republicans decide not to go nuclear it will be a sign that they are fed up with Trump and won't do anything to save his sorry ass presidency, in which case his presidency is doomed.

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Reply If Dems Do NOT Block Gosuck, Trump Will Not Be Ousted (Original post)
McCamy Taylor Apr 2017 OP
JHan Apr 2017 #1
Ohioblue22 Apr 2017 #5
JHan Apr 2017 #6
HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #2
avebury Apr 2017 #4
HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #18
HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #19
jmg257 Apr 2017 #3
McCamy Taylor Apr 2017 #10
jmg257 Apr 2017 #12
Igel Apr 2017 #16
Achilleaze Apr 2017 #7
caroldansen Apr 2017 #8
McCamy Taylor Apr 2017 #11
WheelWalker Apr 2017 #9
McCamy Taylor Apr 2017 #13
Vinca Apr 2017 #14
beachbum bob Apr 2017 #15
SaschaHM Apr 2017 #17
mythology Apr 2017 #20

Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:24 AM

1. Schumer has enough dems to filibuster - it's likely they will.

Manchin and Heitkamp are outliers.

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Response to JHan (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:44 AM

5. there are enough dems that Minchin and heitkamp were likely given an ok to vote for him

 

makes reelection easier

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Response to Ohioblue22 (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:48 AM

6. Yep, I suspect as much..

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:30 AM

2. You are assuming that Schumer is wanting to be the guy that triggers the nuclear SCOTUS option

 

Schumer has said the opposite about the 2013 option previously.

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Response to HoneyBadger (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:36 AM

4. That is why the Dems need to take a page out of the Rethugs book.

The Dems need to be out there beating the drums on everthing that they can to make Trump totally toxic (along with any and all Rethugs that are protecting him).

They need to become a far more squeaky wheel then the Rethugs have ever been. Totally relentless.


This is the time for Democrats to start making names for themselves on the national scene.

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Response to avebury (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 08:22 PM

18. Schumer is pushing for a Republican alternative to Gorsuch

 

In Schumer's world, that is a win for everyone.

So to be clear, in order to avoid going nuclear, he wants Trump to reverse his nomination.

Knowing Trump as we do, does one suppose that Trump will put up a more acceptable candidate or a less acceptable one?

I suppose it comes down to what other things Schumer is willing to deal on to cut a deal on this.


Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) told Senate Republicans to "come back off the tree" they are sitting atop and work with Democrats to find an alternative Supreme Court nominee to Judge Neil Gorsuch.

Schumer told "Meet the Press" that Republicans are like cats "on top of a tree" afraid to jump down and be hurt hitting the ground, which in this case is compromising on a Supreme Court nominee.

He reiterated his objection to the possibility of Republicans instituting the "nuclear option" which would allow Gorsuch to be confirmed with a simple majority vote.

Schumer said that instead of Gorsuch, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) should insist President Trump choose a more "mainstream" candidate, even if it that person still is a Republican.

He noted that Democrats confirmed President Bush's choices of Justices Samuel Alito and John Roberts Jr.

"When a nominee doesn't get 60 votes, you shouldn't change the rules. You should change the nominee," he said.

Schumer appeared to shrug when host Chuck Todd pointed out Democrats Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota announced their support for Gorsuch.

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Response to HoneyBadger (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 08:25 PM

19. I suspect that Trump would give up Gorsuch to repeal Obamacare

 

But will Schumer make the deal?

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:33 AM

3. You think the repubs are gonna blame trump if Gorsuch doesn't get confirmed??

You think Pence would nominate anyone more acceptable when it gets left to him?

Repubs will go nuclear if they have to - they'll take the USSC spot as soon as they can - a judge is for a lifetime - the WH (trump) is MAX 4 years.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:59 AM

10. They will blame Trump. In private smoke filled rooms full of donors which is what counts.

In public they will blame Obama and Hillary, but that will be just for show. And they will not be able to get any votes out of a Dem filibuster. It doesn't work that way in the U.S.

Divide and Conquer works both ways. What is good for Trump's brand is not good for a lot of the GOP's financial base.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 11:05 AM

12. They're not going to blame Obama/Hillary - they are going to blame Dems in the Senate as they have

been doing. They will keep hitting it as a partisan/political obstruction, which it is - we want someone more mainstream.

There doesn't seem to be a single repub who thinks Gorsuch is a bad choice.
What does getting him past the Dems in congress have to do with trump?

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 05:57 PM

16. Seriously.

Blaming Trump if Gorsuch isn't confirmed is like blaming Obama because Garland wasn't confirmed.

There may not be perfect symmetry there, but it's good enough for most.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:51 AM

7. whimp out now, and forever be forced to kiss the the boot

Stand strong against the supremo candidate nominated by an illegitimate, traitorous, draft-dodging, tax-dodging, pussy-grabbing, profiteering republican pResident who is currently under criminal investigation and the sway of the freakin Evil Empire Russian mob.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:54 AM

8. That's wrong info. I read and CNN reported from some democrats if they filibuster gorsuch then

the republicans get him in on majority going nuclear which then reduces senate. Meaning they said it would become like the house six year term. And yes we can get
trump out and very soon. Either way gorsuch is getting in so why hurt the Democratic Senate and give the republicans an added two years. No way. No way. Let him get in without a filibuster and take the Senate next election. Read about it on CNN two days ago.

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Response to caroldansen (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 11:03 AM

11. Are you truly trying to suggest that bending over for Trump on this one is GOOD for Senate Dems?

Maybe for one or two individual Senate Dems from purple states. But the party as a whole suffers if Dems appear to be acting out of fear. Which is what your "why hurt the Democratic Senate" implies--that Dems should OK Gosuck out of fear and self interest.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:56 AM

9. The Senate Repugs already triggered a nuclear option by refusing to act on Garland.

They blew up the entire process already.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 11:07 AM

13. Gotta love "nuclear option" btw as political rhetoric.

Like saying "If you attack a country with a nuclear arsenal, it's your own fault if you get nuked." Blaming the victim. Like saying "If you try to restrain a bat shit crazy mass murderer and you get killed it's your own fault." I can just see Trump pushing the red button and nuking some country that wouldn't let him build a casino and then saying "It was their own fault. They knew I had nukes."

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 11:11 AM

14. Democrats need to point out that BLOTUS has already begun his 2020 campaign.

Since that is the case, we should wait until the people voice their opinion at the ballot box. That's what they said about Obama's choice.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 11:19 AM

15. Trump not going anywhere until Democrats seize control of Congress

 

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 06:30 PM

17. I'm intrigued by this "use the nuclear option themselves --on Trump" business.

What are you getting at?


Gorsuch being confirmed is not connected to Trump being impeached. at. all. SCOTUS is not the FBI/CIA/Senate Intelligence Committee and absent damning, undeniable proof that Trump has committed a crime or is unfit to serve (that they can't ignore like the countless examples), the Republicans are not going to get impeach him or remove him from office.

Sorry, but this OP just seems like a few buzzwords thrown into a rather incoherent rant.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 08:29 PM

20. Do you realize how petulant you sound calling him Gosuck? This should be beneath DU.

 

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