94% of Black women didn't fall for his shit

[Tanuki]

Well played, sisters! I wish everyone had your vision and good judgment



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/black-women--hillary-clintons-most-reliable-voting-bloc--look-beyond-defeat/2016/11/12/86d9182a-a845-11e6-ba59-a7d93165c6d4_story.html

.....Black women, exit polls show, were by far Clinton’s strongest supporters, at 94 percent. By contrast, 53 percent of white women supported President-elect Donald Trump. This was Clinton’s and the Democrats’ most reliable voting bloc, and now they are trying to digest their defeat and move beyond it.
"Having lost the White House and the House and Senate and now being at risk with the Supreme Court, I think what our need will be is an energetic and aggressive defense by Democrats remaining the House and Senate,” said Jessica Byrd, founder of the D.C. consulting firm Three Point Strategies. “They’d better fight like hell to be a firewall to legislation that could hurt us.”

In 2012, black women voted at a higher rate than any racial or gender group, and 96 percent of them voted to reelect President Obama. Black women made up a similar share of the electorate for this presidential contest, but they didn’t have
as much help from other segments of the Obama coalition, including black men, Hispanics and Asian Americans, all of whom voted at higher rates for Trump than they did four years ago for Republican nominee Mitt Romney.
.......
Feminist scholar Brittney Cooper described black female voters as both pragmatists and visionaries. “We have a vision for the kind of future we want to build, but also an acute sense of taking care of the least of these, such as protecting funding for schools for our kids and benefits like Medicare and Social Security for the elderly. We always vote with those things in mind,” she said.".....

[JI7]

1. they also get the least credit . but still will be reliable .

[JustAnotherGen]

6. Always

As we gear up for June and November in NJ I'm hearing the reliability in our discussions - but in Tax Jersey - I had 4 conversations yesterday that veered into Manchin and Heitkamp. Manchin floated a 1/2 percent sales tax to pay for infrastructure to his people in WV. He doesn't realize we had a gas tax imposed in January that caused a sharp increase in the cost of gas. One woman was adamant that she can't afford another tax on clothing - when she pays nothing now.

It's early so forgive me but . . .

There is deep resentment on the ground towards certain segments/states and deep desire to punish them.

Reliable for the right people with the right beliefs and message. Very different than last summer and fall. Asking middle class folks in true blue states to sacrifice their limited and fragile prosperity for folks they believe don't like the color of their skin won't work this time.

[JI7]

104. i don't blame them. even worse is

They see black people in blue states doing well and they think it's because they took from them in red states.

Even though as you say black people are paying those taxes in those states they live in plus towards states like wv.

[Eliot Rosewater]

126. White people dont like to compete with minorities, never used to have to.

[Alice11111]

131. At least half of us are not racists. I deplore it with every

Fiber of my being. We need to recognize that and not let black and white, or green and blue, be something that the Racists Repubs use to divide us.

[betsuni]

2. K&R

[Cha]

3. Mahalo for Shining the Light on this, Tanuki!

They know who the best candidate is!


I love them!

[dalton99a]

41. +1

[iluvtennis]

91. ++++

[TEB]

4. On women voting for trump I just do not understand why they voted for trump

As a 51 year old man even I was appalled at trump My wife was a strong HRC supporter, at first I was thinking Bernie because of his message because I'm a union teamster but I voted HRC was only option. I hope in 2018 midterms the women who voted for hair hitler vote democratic and come 2020. I hope to see Elizabeth warren on ticket.

[kevink077]

7. My theory...

Many white suburban women were never voting for Clinton because she is a female. I talked to a lot of them. They are used to having their man in control and wanted the same for the country. The "grab them by the $ussy" comments actually helped bring these suburban white women on board. Trump came off as more powerful, which they are atttracted too.

[mdbl]

8. So, has anyone grabbed em yet to see if they like it?

Dumb women.

[Dorian Gray]

11. Yuck.

[JI7]

18. have you seen this ?

[progressoid]

42. Ewww.

[lunasun]

53. Gee what does she think trump would say about her? These women are truly clueless

[stevenleser]

68. Yep. Trump would call her fat to her face. He has done it before to women. nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

140. Trump really despises most of the people who voted for him.

His entire life is dedicated to ripping them off and berating them for not being him.

[TEB]

63. Thanks

I had to show this to my wife can't repeat her response.

[genxlib]

70. She Major League misses the point.

If you expressly permit someone to grab you, it isn't sexual assault.

Just because you are crazy enough to want that, does not mean it is OK for him to do it to women who are actually sane enough to not want that.

[NCTraveler]

82. Dear Trump....

That is what's called consent.

[GWC58]

83. Yeah lady,

maybe he's the only one that would! Now go back to your trailer!

[Dorian Gray]

12. I'm sure it was more complicated than that.

I am one of the 47 percent of white women who did not vote for DT. I was brought up in suburbia. I know a few who did, and I think their distaste for HRC got the better of them. I do think that there may be a ingrained resentment of a strong female thing happening. I don't think it was necessarily an attachment to DT's manliness, though. (Because.... when I think of the word manly, I don't think DT. He's more of a doughty Fontelroy wannabe.)

[whathehell]

24. Of course it is..

and I don't know how the math works out, but Fifty One percent of college educated white women voted AGAINST Trump, not 47%.

[IronLionZion]

71. Why are white women separated by college educated and not?

I don't see this separation for the other races of women.

[JHan]

101. good call!

[whathehell]

108. For the same reason white college educated men are..

I.agree.with your statement about the races of women, but why did no one complain when it was made about the races of the men?

[erpowers]

75. Black Lives Matter and Transgender People

I heard a part of an NPR interview in which it was said that many white women voted against Hillary Clinton because of her support for Black Lives Matter and transgender people. One of the people said white women could not wrap their head around bathroom use was such a bid deal for transgender people. It was also said that white women were not supportive of the Black Lives Matter movement.

[oldcynic]

86. Please explain the bathroom thing...

I've been going to public bathrooms for more years than most of you have lived and wonder what the hell people are doing in them these days. Last time I was surprised in a public toilet was when self flushing was introduced.
Women's bathrooms have stalls. Nobody goes into a women's public toilet and waves her dick around. She goes into a stall and closes the door. Men's bathrooms contain at least one stall. Don't want to stand at a urinal without a dick? Go into the stall as if you were taking a dump.
I've seen everything you can imagine over the years in bathrooms, but the only problems I ever encountered were stand-up toilets, no toilets at all, or no toilet paper. Now that is unendurable and should be subject to uuuuuge fines.

[erpowers]

92. I Agree

I agree with you, but apparently the white women who voted against Hillary Clinton could not understand why transgender people wanted to use the bathroom that matched their present body as opposed to the body they were born with. I think there is a large amount of people, even among those who voted for Clinton, who bought into the idea that men wanted to be allowed in the women's restroom.

[Dorian Gray]

105. A lot of people have

their heads in the sand if an issue doesn't affect them. Lots of white women are unaffected by BLM and transgender rights.

(I think that's a travesty.)

[whathehell]

116. I don't know who said White women

didn't support the Black Lives Matter movement, but I'm willing to bet that at LEAST as many, if not more, white women as white men do...I'm a white woman who supports them.

[whathehell]

14. Sorry, I'm a suburban white woman and the Trump voting women I talked to

voted for him despite those comments, not because of them...They didn't dislike Hillary because she was female, they distrusted her
because of all the negative Republican buzz around her -- I met TWO who were on the fence until Comey announced ithe second
email "discovery".

[JI7]

16. the fact is they still voted for him after the things he said so they were ok with it enough to vote

for him .

[whathehell]

20. I didn't say otherwise, although again, most college educated white women did NOT

vote for him. Sorry, I can tell this is another "Let's tall trash white woman" thread".

[JI7]

22. only people that voted for Trump.

[whathehell]

28. Well most of us with educations did NoT so why don't you

try and figure out just why those non-white women whom he insulted on TWO fronts, did vote for him...It would, at least, be a change of pace.

[ehrnst]

38. They didn't consider it an insult. To them, he was insulting who they hated.

When they yelled "Trump that bitch" they didn't see themselves being insulted.

When you draw your power and identity with the men you align with, what they want is what you want.

See also: Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann...

Is that clearer?

Now you tell me why we lost most of the white vote (54%) in 2012. That would be a very refreshing change of pace.

[whathehell]

115. Um, do you have stats on that, or is that just your pet theory?

I'm betting on the latter, but even if true, so what? . Is it news to you that oppressed peoples (racial minorities as well as women) internalize the low opinion in which they're held, one that manifests itself every day? Ever hear the John Lennon song "Woman is the nigger of the world"?

I across appreciate your attempts to "educate" me, lol, but since I've been a feminist for 45 years now, you may want to try someone else.

I bet you know as much as I about "why we lost the white vote", so why don't you tell me? . Maybe you could even do it WITHOUT playing the blame game...That would be a fine change of pace, too.

[LanternWaste]

117. Objective, peer-reviewed states such as...

"do you have stats on that, or is that just your pet theory?"

Objective, peer-reviewed states such as "and the Trump voting women I talked to..."? Very serious stuff, indeed.

[whathehell]

118. Try again, lol..

I know the difference between 'anecdotal evidence' and 'fact' and stated it accordingly. You did not.

[brush]

55. Ahhh...you said 51% of college educated white women didn't vote for trump...

which means 49% did.

Credit goes to the 51% but what's up with the 49%, nearly half, who voted for such a blatant misogynist?

[whathehell]

111. Ahh..

Why don't you ask the question of the 19 percent of Blacks and 33 percent of Hispanics who voted for him and ask why they voted for such a racist?

[brush]

124. I'm not attacking you. Just thought you may have asked friends or family

And your figures on black voters for trump is high.

Did you mean the number of votes from the black community was down because of Interstate Crosscheck and voter suppression methods?

[whathehell]

141. Yeah, as did 33% of Hispanics and

19 percent of Blacks after what he said about them.

[Alice11111]

132. Comey! He was the final straw for those undecideds,

and he sat on the Trump Russian thing, as he was so honorable, he wouldn't want to take the chance of influencing the election.

Comey for Prison!!!!!

[whathehell]

142. Absolutely... Hillary's numbers went down sharply after that 2nd email announcement

[Alice11111]

160. In spite of everything, she probably would have bagged if it weren't for him

[whathehell]

162. Not sure what you mean..

Do you mean she would have won?...I'm inclined to believe that myself.

[Alice11111]

166. Yes.

[TheFrenchRazor]

159. at least that's what they said; more likely they are weak, co-dependent women who are scared of

of doing anything that could bring them disfavor from their male leaders.

[whathehell]

161. That's not the impression I got. n/t.

[Hortensis]

37. Yes. I've see this all my life. But these women are CONSERVATIVE,

overwhelmingly, anywhere from moderate to rabid; though no doubt some young suburban liberals would have been affected by the dominant views among their acquaintances. And Rump does unmistakably project authoritarianism, which appeals to most conservatives to varying degrees. Liberals tend to be relatively, often strongly immune.

This thread is particularly interesting because 94% of black women voting Democrat means most CONSERVATIVE black women, at least half of all, mostly ignored the great enmity that's been so carefully built up against liberals/Democrats. Agreeing with much of it, no doubt, but not dominated by it. Of course, there has been little attempt to involve them in the right wing attack-dog training and a lot of kicking at them instead.

Also of course, though, a racist authoritarian leader would have rung a whole bunch of alarms, loud. Seemingly black conservatives were well able to resist the lure, no matter how tightly some had to hold their noses while voting.

But it was that already intensely developed partisan enmity that motivated white conservative women to buy into demonization of Democrats, and outstandingly Hillary, to such an extreme degree that they could finally vote for an astonishingly dreadful person as the "better" choice. A shit black women emphatically did not fall for.

[TheFrenchRazor]

158. i think a lot of straight women want to show men that they're "on the team," and being

essentially an anti-feminist is an easy way to do that. i feel sorry for these women; they are clearly very weak and have some self-esteem issues.

[NewJeffCT]

60. Cambridge Analytica played a huge role in suppressing the vote

among younger women - especially single women - white women and women of color.

They also played a role in suppressing African American voters overall, though it obviously didn't work with black women.

[erpowers]

73. Please Explain

What did Cambridge Analytica do during the election? I think I heard of Cambridge Analytica, but I thought they were just the company that predicted Trump would win. I thought a guy from that company was on CBS This Morning discussing how his company was able to predict the Trump win when everyone else predicted a Clinton win. Is Cambridge Analytica associated with Robert Mercer? When the interview was done with CBS there was no mention of Mercer; however, I read an article about Mercer and his role in Brexit and I think Cambridge Analytica was mentioned.

[JHan]

76. Cambridge Analytica's goal was to "Suppress the vote" for Clinton.. one of their officials ..

used that word.. "suppress" . They did this using "dark posts" that only certain FB profiles could see - typically the voters Clinton would need to turn out i.e. young women, wavering left wingers, African Americans. I saw some of these "dark posts"- they were often inaccurate, sensationalist or just lies.

see here:

Just how precisely the American population was being targeted by Trump's digital troops at that moment was not visible, because they attacked less on mainstream TV and more with personalized messages on social media or digital TV. And while the Clinton team thought it was in the lead, based on demographic projections, Bloomberg journalist Sasha Issenberg was surprised to note on a visit to San Antonio—where Trump's digital campaign was based—that a "second headquarters" was being created. The embedded Cambridge Analytica team, apparently only a dozen people, received $100,000 from Trump in July, $250,000 in August, and $5 million in September. According to Nix, the company earned over $15 million overall. (The company is incorporated in the US, where laws regarding the release of personal data are more lax than in European Union countries. Whereas European privacy laws require a person to "opt in" to a release of data, those in the US permit data to be released unless a user "opts out.&quot

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win

On top of the bots weaponized to sow discord online.

[NewJeffCT]

79. Cambridge Analytica

played a HUGE role online via Facebook & Twitter. They tested 100s of thousands of ads on Facebook designed to target certain groups with fake news stories, or out of context/exaggerated claims.

supposedly, they could predict your vote from just 5 "likes" on Facebook with over 90% accuracy and once you got past a certain number of likes on Facebook (12 maybe?), the accuracy was over 99%.

To suppress votes, they targeted ads at certain groups - African Americans on Facebook were shown the ads of Hillary in the 90s calling certain african americans "super predators" or fake news stories about Clinton dying or Clinton about to be indicted

to drive turnout, maybe a potential Trump voter gets the fake news story about the Pope endorsing Trump (shared well over 1 million times on Facebook, but the debunking from Snopes was only shared about 25,000 times) if the voter is a white Catholic, or maybe Pat Robertson or similar religious figure endorsing Trump does to white southern baptists...

A few articles:
https://theoutline.com/post/969/did-trump-win-psychometrics-data-cambridge-analytica

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/the-secret-agenda-of-a-facebook-quiz.html?_r=0

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/the-british-data-crunchers-who-say-they-helped-donald-trump-to-win/

They also did similar with BREXIT as well.

[Alice11111]

133. Mellenial blacks had low turnout

[nikibatts]

164. Jocelyn Elders, Hazel O'Leary, Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Shirley Sherrod, Susan Rice

MICHELLE OBAMA...and more...all doing their job and being right about it. And before them, Harriet Tubman, Mary Lou Hammer, Rosa Parks...and the list goes on...and joined in history by some awesome white women including HRC and Nancy Pelosi.

[IronLionZion]

72. Some people benefit from white power and privilege

So when given an opportunity, they chose to throw a fellow white woman under the bus to maintain their privilege and power.

Even many militant feminists think white women chose to reject diversity more than they rejected feminism/making history with first woman president.

Even here on DU, there is sometimes some tension between the opponents of misogyny and the opponents of racism.

A sizable percentage of people don't think about stuff the way we do. Some of the more conservative voters out there feel that we have already made enough history with our first minority president, it's too much for them to follow up with another first so soon.

I've encountered Trumpers who are minorities, Muslims, immigrants, and even one survivor of domestic abuse/sexual assault who has clearly lost her mind.

Hillary offered to keep things the same and continue the progress of the last 8 years. And for many of us that sounds great. But Trump promised to stop everything and go backwards to some fictional time that only exists in their imagination, and that appeals to a certain type of person who thinks the past was better. Things were shitty in the past. But supposedly it was great for somebody.

[whathehell]

119. Yes, and apparently some of those are Black and Hispanic, judging by their votes.

I know this doesn't play into what seems the desired narrative "Let's all.dump on white women", but I'm afraid I'm going v to have to ask for a stop this relentless, bigoted targeting.

[IronLionZion]

122. I love white women

who voted for Hillary and Dems. They are wonderful people.

Yes, I know many minority and female Trumpers who voted based on the misguided belief that he's going to bring lots of jobs back and/or screw someone else like the undocumented immigrants or Muslims only. A friend of my family claims that she and her family have never experienced any racism or prejudice and that's why they still support Trump in spite of the hate crimes they see on the liberal media every night.

[whathehell]

123. Glad to hear someone on this thread does..

[JustAnotherGen]

5. Kick and Rec

[Rhiannon12866]

9. Why would any woman, of any color or background, vote for Trump??

That is something I'll never understand. Why would any conscious person??

[narnian60]

26. +100

[whathehell]

30. Why would any man?

I can't speak for the 6 percent of Black women and 33 percent of Hispanic Women -- directly iinsulted by Trump -- who voted for him, but the non- college white woman who voted for him, , did it for pretty much the same reasons the men did.

[Rhiannon12866]

32. That's what I meant by "conscious person."

He's much more obvious in his attitude towards women, but why would any man support someone who wants to send this country into chaos? It's not like they won't be equally affected - unless they're a relative of Trump or in the one 10th of one-percent??

[whathehell]

33. Paul Krugman, and some others has some interesting iinsights into

the reasons he "clicked" with many working class people.

[Rhiannon12866]

35. Well, for one thing, he lied.

On fact, there isn't much he didn't lie about. I find it totally baffling that there are people who think it's okay to have a liar for a president. Jimmy Carter promised to "always tell the truth," and the press held him to it. Not only did the current press give Trump constant publicity, while largely ignoring other candidates - of both parties - but they seem to regard his constant lying as something we're already used to.

[Alice11111]

134. He spoke their language.

[whathehell]

112. I'm not sure if he's much more obvious toward women when

he called Mexicanimmigrants criminals, drug dealers and racists...Beyond that, I know no more than you do.

[JHan]

49. well I know a few black conservatives.. most of them abandoned Trump..

but there are some black republicans ( i know.. sigh.. their choice ) who will vote Republican no matter what.

[whathehell]

109. Yes...

and the same applies to some Republican white women.

[jmg257]

99. Let's see - single issue voters...guns, abortion,

When people don't like the candidates, they have to choose somehow.

[Amimnoch]

10. Just to point one thing out though,

In 2016 we didn't lose the house and Senate. Republicans did maintain majorities in both chambers of Congress, but in both of them they actually lost seats (2 in the Senate, and 6 in the house).

Coming on the tail end of 8 years with a Democratic President, historically, that's actually an indicator on just how bad of a candidate they ran.

From the article though "pragmatists and visionaries".. can't argue that one at all! What is completely shocking, and baffles the hell out of me is how 47% of white women, despite everything peeresident orange said, actually thought (and many still think), still found him fit to be POTUS?!?! I mean... WTF??? I'm not even talking about media, and logical talking points, but just based off of the shit that has come right out of #45's mouth.. recorded.. and right there to consider, they STILL thought this was the person to lead them and the country?!?! I just don't get it..

[ehrnst]

13. The pendulum usually swings away from a party after 2 terms in the WH

So that makes Hillary's victory even more impressive, especially since she was also running against Russia.

Just wanted to point that out.

Also - 54% of white voters went Romney in 2012, but there wasn't the handwringing about how bad our candidate did with white voters. We assumed that there was racism involved.

Then again, the candiate that the Democrats ran in 2016 was the not the overwhelming choice of white men in the Democratic party, which may be the reason that there are some real blinders on as to the sexism involved.

[Amimnoch]

29. Exactly the point!

For both Con's and Liberals who think that 2016 was some kind of indictment of the Democratic Party, or as some like to believe Liberalism/Progressivism in general they are fooling themselves.

After 8 years of President Obama, for them to lose seats in both chambers, AND almost lose the presidential election speaks volumes of their failure, not success.

[whathehell]

15. We will remember that the majority of white college educated women voted AGAINST Trump,

won't we? There's much being made about the non-educated white women's vote, but the truth is, they voted for him for much the same
reasons the men on their educational level did.

[JI7]

17. but not over 90 percent. the importance of black women to the party needs to be recognized

[whathehell]

21. Not over ninety percent voted for ANYONE

and I think the contributions of Black women ARE recognized, but it doesn't need to done it by constantly trashing white women.

[JI7]

23. over 90 percent of black women did and do vote democratic

[whathehell]

27. Ninety percent of Black women never vote Republican.

What else is new?

[ehrnst]

39. Are you saying 90% of Black women refuse to vote Republican matter no who the Dem candidate is?

So do you have a theory why Black women even bother to vote in the primary?

Source of the 90% stat, please.

Because your claim that they simply "refuse to vote republican" is sorta negated by facts:

"The findings also revealed that among those voters planning to cast their ballots for Clinton, African-Americans were more likely than whites or Latinos to describe their choice as a vote for the former Secretary of State, rather than a vote against Trump."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/despite-sluggish-early-voting-history-shows-black-women-show-show-n678461

Also, do you have a theory why did they not support Bernie in the primary?

[coco22]

40. I am a black woman who..

voted for Bernie,campaigned for Bernie along with many of my black women friends and relatives.

I thought Hillary wasn't going to run and when she did I asked why?

I didn't like how they(DNC) pushed O'Malley out of the debates and primaries.I also did not like the games that were being played in the New York primaries add in Donna Brazile and Debbie Wasserman Schultz always said Bill was going to be a problem too.

I voted for Hillary because there was no other choice.I couldn't and still can't believe these people voted for this INSANE Mfker!

[cyndensco]

51. "I voted for Hillary because there was no other choice".

Right?!

One day we might have a real option in the General....hasn't happened yet in my lifetime.

[JHan]

54. all options are real, because of real consequences..

I don't want to be pedantic here, but no candidate is gonna be perfect. We've been lucky to have charismatic democratic candidates who went on to be President.

And it's worth noting, that when Obama was elected, he ran as a gadfly. As soon as he hit the executive branch, and he grasped governance at that level, he became a little more centrist, which disappointed a lot of progressives. But it was smart, given the challenges he faced at the time.

I enthusiastically voted for HRC, knowing ahead of time her approach to governance. And if Sanders had won the nomination, and the general election, he would have turned out to be a President more in the vein of Obama.

[coco22]

58. Yes, Right!

I wanted Hillary years ago I felt that she shouldn't run again but most wanted her because she would have been the first woman that would have been nice but, that wasn't what a lot of people wanted. I wasn't voting because of gender.

I had to convince many to even vote because they didn't like Hillary. Like I said she wasn't my first choice and her girls in the DNC think they know more than the people on the ground.

[whathehell]

110. I'm not stating that as a "fault" or a "problem" -- I've never voted Republican either & never will.

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As to a "theory" on the voting in the primary, I have no idea what you're talking about -- I vote in the primaries and have neither knowledge nor theory on Black women voting in the primaries.

[Eliot Rosewater]

127. Shame, you took the focus off white people for a minute, you know better than that.

[delisen]

66. Yes Let's recognize the importance.

[ehrnst]

36. Also - The majority of all women voting voted for HRC (nt)

[whathehell]

107. Yes, thank you..

The truth, according to Michael MOore, is that a about 10 Million.Americans voted against Trump, when you count the Libertarians and the Jill.Strein voters along with the Hillary voters.

[brush]

57. 51%?

[whathehell]

106. Those are the numbers I saw.

[Number23]

93. What's with the desperate attempts at parsing? Why attempt to break it down by eduation?

The majority of white women voted for Trump. The article is showing that black women (regardless of education) did the complete opposite and I would bet that the numbers would be similar for Hispanic and Asian women as well.

[Eliot Rosewater]

128. Because dammit WHITE people need to be recognized in this black predominant

nation, dont you know that?

WHITE people are under-represented and dont get enough breaks in this country OR credit.

[aikoaiko]

19. It is too bad there aren't many more Black women in the US.

[JI7]

25. perhaps other groups should join them

[caroldansen]

31. Good job!

[BumRushDaShow]

34. K&R

But there is another reason why black women do this - it is because we come out of the womb to start off life at the very bottom, with 2 strikes already against us - "black" and "female" (and if LGBTQ, then it is 3 strikes), and so to survive, we have to vote with that in mind.

[JHan]

52. ain't that the truth

[mcar]

43. K&R

[qanda]

44. You're welcome

I will gladly take my bow. We've been right about a lot. Y'all should listen to us more.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

45. Bravo!

My mother and sisters are Black women. They voted for HRC. I think we should always remember this when we mention "working class voters" and "women". Black women are at the intersection of both of those groups. Black women are constantly erased when considering those groups.

It is hard for those of us who are not Black women to focus on Black women as a group and as reliable and important voters. That would mean we would have to de-center our own issues and listen to Black women. As a society, I doubt we'll ever do that.

[qanda]

50. It's so true

Black women are some of the most educated in the country. It's amazing how little credit we get. One issue is that we are constantly having to dry the tears of white women. See above. We can't get any credit without some white woman needing to make it about them.

[lunamagica]

78. Yes we should!

[NCTraveler]

84. "Y'all should listen to us more."

[JHan]

46. Thanks Tanuki... ! :) K & R

[uponit7771]

47. I wish they're weren't the few

[nikibatts]

48. Yeah, think "Maxine Waters." Black women have always been smarter than most.

They had to learn the hard way throughout all of history. They had to protect their children and spouses as much as possible through the most awful slavery times. Their bodies were raped, beaten, by both white males and females...all this as the suckled white infants and cared for their own. I could go on forever about what I witnessed in my own family of strong, gifted women.

[whathehell]

148. All black women aren't Maxine and all white women aren't Sarah Palin

or Hillary Clinton.....Could we give all the generalizations a rest?

[ismnotwasm]

56. K&R

[jrthin]

59. The white women who

were in my circle of "friends" and I discovered or they told me they voted for 45, I had this to say to them: you can vote for whomever you chose, but I will judge you by your vote. I have judged these women to be bigots and indecent human beings, and each and everyone of them know that I will never speak to them again. You can't play my friend and then go into a voting booth and screw me. "The line between being a bigot and voting for a bigot is so thin as to be invisible." Cannot remember who said this but the quote sums up my stand on this issue.

[Quayblue]

90. This.

I've been quite lonely lately and am okay with that.

[jrthin]

102. I hear you. nt

[whathehell]

145. Don't blame you, but did you say that to the

Blacks men and Hispanics who voted for him too?

[jrthin]

153. Since none of the people of

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color in my circle cast their vote for 45 there was no need. But if there were black men or hispanic men in my circle who did, my message would be the same. I also suspect that through out the campaign those people of color voting for him would have telegraphed it (again, speaking of my circle of friends). Part of what many whites do not get is the betrayal many people of color felt. We did not expect educated white women to vote for him, that was a slap in the face to us (well, at least to me).

Oh and btw, a hispanic lady who I've had friendly conversations with thought out the years, made it slip that she voted for him. I have said nothing to her since. Yes, I am that intolerant of bigotry, by anybody.

[whathehell]

155. I get you,

but you do know that the majority of educated white women did not vote for him, right?....I certainly understand you're "unfriending" those who did...I met a friend of my niece,a couple of months ago, a Black woman, and she said the same thing, that she felt betrayed and cut off the Trumpers as well...Hell, I cut off a couple of (male) cousins for voting for him....I don't know any white women who voted for him. I honeztly don't understand ANYONE who voted for this classless, incompetent disgrace of a "president", I really don't.
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[Jonny Appleseed]

61. As rationalized by Fox News:

White women tried the nice guy but wanted a thrill this time around. Black women value stability.

[wildeyed]

62. They are front and center in the resistance too.

From congress to journalists to grassroots movements, they pull way more than their weight.

[JHan]

69. we also had some of the best signs at the women's march..

?w=500

[wildeyed]

74. Right?

[Number23]

94. Oh my God... truer words have NEVER been written...

[kwassa]

96. great to see you again ...

[Number23]

98. Thanks, kwassa. I've been reading all of the desperate attempts to mitigate the effects of racism

in this election as well as how Russian trolls played so many "liberals" for fools and thought I'd come and see if anyone has been talking about it here.

[kwassa]

100. The racism never stops, unfortunately.

Trump's base is the most regressive part of America, and generally have little exposure to minorities, but that doesn't stop them.

[kwassa]

97. Outstanding sign.

[Solly Mack]

147. I love that sign.

[Afromania]

64. These numbers don't surprise me at all, not at all.

[sheshe2]

65. K&R

Well done!

[SunSeeker]

67. That's why voter suppression efforts zero in on them.

Their inability to be fooled makes them dangerous to the GOP.

[lunamagica]

77. K&R. Good job, ladies!

[58Sunliner]

80. 94% of black women who voted. 53% of white women who voted. Just under 58% of eligible voters voted.

And proportionately white women without college degrees voted in higher numbers for DT. The Washington Post also has a good reference for the voter breakdown. Numbers do matter. And in voter statistics there are at least 2 parameters. What I have not been able to find is the number of eligible voters by race. Because that would give us a much more accurate picture.
Supposedly 44% of women who voted, voted for DT. The majority white, I assume. I get a little tired of people throwing out numbers like they represent all of a race when it is a proportion of voters who voted. I think it is sad, sick, that anyone voted for the creep.

[grantcart]

81. Not surprised.

[mountain grammy]

85. As a white woman, this is something I actually know about.

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more than half of white women who voted in the 2016 election are stupid. Best explanation I can give.

[whathehell]

143. Speak for yourself, Gramny

The voting patterns of white women closely followed those of white men, just as those of black women resembled those of black men....Has not a damn thing to do with your silly, bigoted statement about half of white women being"stupid". The races voted differently because they perceived themselves as having different interests.

[mountain grammy]

151. I am speaking for myself, thank you.

and for so many woman, more than anyone will ever know, who have faced sexual assault, and those who blow it off as a "man's world" thing. Sorry, not backing off this. A man who assaults women is president and women voted for him. That's stupid. If you see me as a silly bigot, that's your choice and I really don't care.

[whathehell]

152. Speak ABOUT yourself, is probably more

to the point, and as far as sexual assault goes, honey, I,'m a survivor of it, so I don't need any preaching from you on it

You know who I think are stupid, Granny? People who see in binary terms and can't handle complexity, especially, perhaps, when they need a scapegoat or are being egged on by others trying to "guilt" them, by association. Pathetic..

[mountain grammy]

154. I wasn't preaching.

take your anger elsewhere.

[Bonx]

169. You must know a lot of stupid people.

to make up a number like that.

[mountain grammy]

170. I know many women who voted for trump..

so you give me a good reason why that happened. I've asked them to explain and it's because he was "better than Hillary." I think that's a pretty stupid answer.. what do you think?

I really don't want to defend trump voters in general, even those I don't know, and don't understand why my post is being used to do that.

[Bonx]

171. I think you said

"more than half of white women are stupid". That's not true and is a shitty thing to say.

[mountain grammy]

172. Ok. that was too sweeping..

I'm referring to women who voted for trump.. not half of all white women by any means.

Ok, women who voted for trump are stupid.

[pansypoo53219]

87. a lot of people like bullshit. look at the movies now.

[bettyellen]

113. Get Out is dominating the box office right now...

[oldcynic]

88. Is DU a segregated club?

Sounds like it. Sounds like America...two separate societies. Not much has changed since Reconstruction.

[kwassa]

95. I think you might be truly clueless.

What exactly is the source of your outrage?

Speaking as a man married to a black woman.

[oldcynic]

120. no outrage

just stating an observation. Whites, blacks, male, female all sniping at each other.

[kwassa]

121. and how is that segregation?

[Quayblue]

125. Where do you see this?

If anything, black folks have been extremely quiet around here for the past 6 months.

Funny how citing a positive statistic caused you to say this.

[Eliot Rosewater]

129. But white people NEED love and attention, lord knows we have suffered at the hands of

the black power for long enough!

[oldcynic]

137. for heaven's sake

Read these posts. Black women this, white women that, men the other thing. I'm old and I'm tired of fighting over who did or didn't do or say what. WE ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS. THE FUCKING ENEMY IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. It appalls me that we need to say black lives matter in the 21st century. I spent half the 20th century trying to say the same. It should be embedded in the ethos of our society and I despair it still needs proving. Of course BLACK LIVES MATTER. It just makes me more cynical that it still has to be said.

[whathehell]

146. Thank you..I am getting tired of this "let's blame white women for Trump"

and 'Back women are smarter/ better than white women' crap.

[Quayblue]

157. ...

[steve2470]

136. you are right about black people, in general, being quiet

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=25800

That thread is eye-opening.

[betsuni]

156. 1StrongBlackMan and bravenak are still flagged for review and I miss them terribly.

Yet braying jackasses roam free and are here just to annoy.

[whathehell]

150. Maybe it wasn't the one positive statement that caused it, but the many

negative statements and comparisons about white women.that followed it.

[Quayblue]

163. Girl bye.

[whathehell]

165. Lol

Bye bye.

[bettyellen]

114. DU is overwhelmingly white and male majority- yet its women who are overwhelmingly the majority

In calling reps, and showing up in protests. Women are doing 70-80+% of the advocacy for Dems- so it seems sometimes men are choosing to segregate themselves.

[oldcynic]

138. NOW I'M PISSED OFF

I was NOT disparaging black people. I was disparaging the human species. Get over it.

[bettyellen]

139. I'm sorry? Not sure why you'd be pissed off to find out that white men gave us Trump-

I thought hat was pretty much common knowledge! Believe me, they piss off us women even more than they piss you off. Not sure why you'd be surprised by any of this. Maybe you can use your anger to spur on more men to help the Dem cause. That would be awesome!

[whathehell]

144. It's starting to feel that way....The meme of this thread semms to be

",, Let's all blame white women for Trump and hate on them". We're being made a target. Guess we're a softer, easier one than White men .

[LanternWaste]

89. Seems last years popular accusation of Stockholm Syndrome was as idiotic

Seems last years popular accusation of Stockholm Syndrome was as idiotic as it was chickenshit.

[tammywammy]

135. +1 n/t

[Quayblue]

103. K&R

[Warpy]

130. I'm appalled that so many married white women in the burbs did

What was it, twoo wuv with the domineering husband? Afraid to go to hell if you voted for a Democrat? Or did you think you'd have to rethink your own life if another woman got to be president?

Yeah, I've talked to Dolt45 women voters and this is a lot of what it came down to: patriarchal, sexist marriages, old time religion telling them Democrats are only about aborting all the babies, and just not wanting to vote for a woman because she's a woman.

Black women were able to overcome all these things, they face them also. It looks like we've got a lot to learn.

[whathehell]

149. I hope you're equally "appalled" at the men, including

the clueless minority men who voted Trump.

As for this "we'? Who would that be? No white woman on this board voted for Trump, and, frankly, I don't need to be preached to.

[LanternWaste]

167. Hence, I often dismiss or sometimes even trash a thread.

"I don't need to be preached to...."

Hence, I often dismiss or sometimes even trash a thread. Those times I too feel as though "I don't need to be preached to" I simply ignore the conversation and voila: I'm not receiving any preaching.

However, I'm certain you are unable to do the same for some very creative and validating reason that forces you to engage, preach to, and be preached to as well, regardless of who you hope we're appalled at.

[whathehell]

168. That:s your choice..

Mine is different, but since you don't know me, I'd suggest you not be too "sure" of the reason. Have a nice day.

[politicasista]

173. Kick