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Part II of a four part editorial by The Times Editorial Board. April 3, 2017Part I Our Dishonest President
Part III Tuesday
Part IV Wednesday
In the United States, born and periodically reborn out of the repeated recognition and rejection of the age-old lie that some people are meant to take dominion over others, truth is as vital a part of the civic, social and intellectual culture as justice and liberty. Our civilization is premised on the conviction that such a thing as truth exists, that it is knowable, that it is verifiable, that it exists independently of authority or popularity and that at some point and preferably sooner rather than later it will prevail.
......... The insult that Donald Trump brings to the equation is an apparent disregard for fact so profound as to suggest that he may not see much practical distinction between lies, if he believes they serve him, and the truth. ........
He has made himself the stooge, the mark, for every crazy blogger, political quack, racial theorist, foreign leader or nutcase peddling a story that he might repackage to his benefit as a tweet, an appointment, an executive order or a policy. He is a stranger to the concept of verification, the insistence on evidence and the standards of proof that apply in a courtroom or a medical lab and that ought to prevail in the White House.
There have always been those who accept the intellectually bankrupt notion that people are entitled to invent their own facts ....................
Silver Gaia
(4,542 posts)Outstanding! Well worth reading. Thanks for posting them. I'm looking forward to the rest of them.
lastlib
(23,208 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,382 posts)And when they've finished the series, I'd love to see Keith Olbermann do a Resistance segment on them.
And how about a campaign to mail copies of them to the White House with the message that we don't buy the con from
the liar in chief?
Danascot
(4,690 posts)should get a few thousand copies. Unfortunately the GOP are the only ones who can remove Trump for now. If the pressure gets high enough (ie it's no longer to their benefit) they'll be forced to do something.
Mister Ed
(5,928 posts)I beg my fellow DU'ers to read each word of these two fine editorials, and to share them widely. They make the case so clearly and plainly that I have to think they might even change the hearts of some Trump supporters.
dalton99a
(81,450 posts)lastlib
(23,208 posts)An Excellent read!!
mcar
(42,301 posts)Great editorials.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)This is YUUUUUGE in historical terms. What an indictment. I hope the last installment calls for immediate resignation.
This may also help defeat Gorsuch.
Cha
(297,137 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 3, 2017, 09:21 AM - Edit history (1)
"Believe in the Truth.. Without Truth We Don't Have Trust.. Without Trust We Don't Have the Rule of Law.. Without the Rule of Law We Don't Have Democracy.So people who are going for Post Fact.. people who are Against the Truth.. they are taking a Direct Line to Killing Democracy.. It's the Shortcut to getting rid of Democracy.."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017432050
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)I just posted it in the video forum too.
Cha
(297,137 posts)is.. Dr Timothy Snyder does an excellent job.. it shouldn't hard to understand but evidently too many are not impressed with it.
You're posting it again.. milestogo had it posted on the 31st of March..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017432050
Hope you get some more eyes and ears!
ProfessorPlum
(11,256 posts)with 9/11 and the patriot act. We blew it.
AllaN01Bear
(18,149 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)It is unfair to say newspapers shoved trump down our throats when they told us in unison and unequivocally to not vote for him.
Final newspaper endorsement count: Clinton 57, Trump 2
By Reid Wilson - 11/06/16
Marcuse
(7,478 posts)"It May Not Be Good for America, but It's Damn Good for CBS"
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/leslie-moonves-donald-trump-may-871464
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)The media gave him a platform to lie.
We must never allow politicians to present lies unchallenged again.
It would be good to start with Spicer. Right now. Get him off the air. Or put him on a 15 sec delay with a respondent on split screen calling out his lies.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)April 2, 2017
Except Donald Trump.
Angie Holan, Editor of PolitiFact, appeared on CNNs Reliable Sources and said of Trumps endless barrage of inaccurate statements:
[Trumps] track record has not improved. Hes still on our scale earning about 70% of mostly false, false, or pants on fire.
...........
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)voted for him and are not now paying much attention anymore. You know, the kind who look at politics as something you only think about every four years.
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)Nt
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Good read
For millions and millions of Americans, climate change is a hoax, Hillary Clinton ran a sex ring out of a pizza parlor, and immigrants cause crime. Whether they truly believe those falsehoods or not is debatable and possibly irrelevant. The research to date suggests that they see those lies as useful weapons in a tribal us-against-them competition ...."
This of course suggests how to overcome those lies, promoting group cohesion, one nation, one global family, we are all humans all descendants of the same ancestors.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)rockfordfile
(8,701 posts)He lies a lot. This could be the same person that could send our kids to die in war.