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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 07:28 AM Apr 2017

LA Times: Our Dishonest President - Why Trump Lies

Part II of a four part editorial by The Times Editorial Board. April 3, 2017

Part I Our Dishonest President

Part III Tuesday
Part IV Wednesday

...... humanity has always had an abiding respect for truth.

In the United States, born and periodically reborn out of the repeated recognition and rejection of the age-old lie that some people are meant to take dominion over others, truth is as vital a part of the civic, social and intellectual culture as justice and liberty. Our civilization is premised on the conviction that such a thing as truth exists, that it is knowable, that it is verifiable, that it exists independently of authority or popularity and that at some point — and preferably sooner rather than later — it will prevail.

......... The insult that Donald Trump brings to the equation is an apparent disregard for fact so profound as to suggest that he may not see much practical distinction between lies, if he believes they serve him, and the truth. ........

He has made himself the stooge, the mark, for every crazy blogger, political quack, racial theorist, foreign leader or nutcase peddling a story that he might repackage to his benefit as a tweet, an appointment, an executive order or a policy. He is a stranger to the concept of verification, the insistence on evidence and the standards of proof that apply in a courtroom or a medical lab — and that ought to prevail in the White House.

There have always been those who accept the intellectually bankrupt notion that people are entitled to invent their own facts ....................
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LA Times: Our Dishonest President - Why Trump Lies (Original Post) L. Coyote Apr 2017 OP
I've read both of these editorials. Silver Gaia Apr 2017 #1
Parts III and IV: lastlib Apr 2017 #25
These editorials should be reprinted in every major news publication in the country. mnhtnbb Apr 2017 #2
Every repuke in congress Danascot Apr 2017 #17
"To defend freedom, demand fact." K&R Mister Ed Apr 2017 #3
Excellent articles. dalton99a Apr 2017 #4
+11 googol!!! lastlib Apr 2017 #5
LA Times pulls no punches mcar Apr 2017 #6
What a historical moment also, "Our Dishonest President - Why Trump Lies" in print in a major paper. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #7
"Believe in the Truth" by Dr Timothy Snyder.. Cha Apr 2017 #8
Great video, MUST SEE. Thanks. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #11
It is a brilliant way to lay out how important the truth Cha Apr 2017 #12
what he describes at the end has already happened ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #18
good read. but it was the press that shoved tRump furher down our throat. AllaN01Bear Apr 2017 #9
Actually, nearly every single newspaper did an editorial NOT supporting trump. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #13
Leslie Moonves on Donald Trump: Marcuse Apr 2017 #16
+1 The for-profit media got Trump elected by covering him nonstop and unchallenged sharedvalues Apr 2017 #23
PolitiFact Just Reviewed All of Trumps Statements, 70% Are False L. Coyote Apr 2017 #10
Very enlightening, especially for those who ginnyinWI Apr 2017 #14
K&R! Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #15
I recommend this Salon article on blue lies ProudLib72 Apr 2017 #19
Some of Trump's lies are definitely in the three-year-old psychological category, selfish lies. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #20
Propaganda is older than Goebbels - need to get rid of Fox News' lies sharedvalues Apr 2017 #24
Yes Trump lies rockfordfile Apr 2017 #21
This could be the same person that brings the wars to our shores. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #22

Silver Gaia

(4,542 posts)
1. I've read both of these editorials.
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 07:44 AM
Apr 2017

Outstanding! Well worth reading. Thanks for posting them. I'm looking forward to the rest of them.

mnhtnbb

(31,382 posts)
2. These editorials should be reprinted in every major news publication in the country.
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 08:14 AM
Apr 2017

And when they've finished the series, I'd love to see Keith Olbermann do a Resistance segment on them.

And how about a campaign to mail copies of them to the White House with the message that we don't buy the con from
the liar in chief?

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
17. Every repuke in congress
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:48 AM
Apr 2017

should get a few thousand copies. Unfortunately the GOP are the only ones who can remove Trump for now. If the pressure gets high enough (ie it's no longer to their benefit) they'll be forced to do something.

Mister Ed

(5,928 posts)
3. "To defend freedom, demand fact." K&R
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 08:18 AM
Apr 2017

I beg my fellow DU'ers to read each word of these two fine editorials, and to share them widely. They make the case so clearly and plainly that I have to think they might even change the hearts of some Trump supporters.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
7. What a historical moment also, "Our Dishonest President - Why Trump Lies" in print in a major paper.
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 08:48 AM
Apr 2017

This is YUUUUUGE in historical terms. What an indictment. I hope the last installment calls for immediate resignation.

This may also help defeat Gorsuch.

Cha

(297,137 posts)
8. "Believe in the Truth" by Dr Timothy Snyder..
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 08:49 AM
Apr 2017

Last edited Mon Apr 3, 2017, 09:21 AM - Edit history (1)

"Believe in the Truth.. Without Truth We Don't Have Trust.. Without Trust We Don't Have the Rule of Law.. Without the Rule of Law We Don't Have Democracy.

So people who are going for Post Fact.. people who are Against the Truth.. they are taking a Direct Line to Killing Democracy.. It's the Shortcut to getting rid of Democracy.."




http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017432050

Cha

(297,137 posts)
12. It is a brilliant way to lay out how important the truth
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 09:30 AM
Apr 2017

is.. Dr Timothy Snyder does an excellent job.. it shouldn't hard to understand but evidently too many are not impressed with it.

You're posting it again.. milestogo had it posted on the 31st of March..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017432050

Hope you get some more eyes and ears!

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
13. Actually, nearly every single newspaper did an editorial NOT supporting trump.
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 09:50 AM
Apr 2017

It is unfair to say newspapers shoved trump down our throats when they told us in unison and unequivocally to not vote for him.

Final newspaper endorsement count: Clinton 57, Trump 2
By Reid Wilson - 11/06/16

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
23. +1 The for-profit media got Trump elected by covering him nonstop and unchallenged
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 12:51 AM
Apr 2017

The media gave him a platform to lie.

We must never allow politicians to present lies unchallenged again.

It would be good to start with Spicer. Right now. Get him off the air. Or put him on a 15 sec delay with a respondent on split screen calling out his lies.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
10. PolitiFact Just Reviewed All of Trumps Statements, 70% Are False
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 09:15 AM
Apr 2017
http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/04/02/politifact-just-reviewed-trumps-statements-guess-false/
April 2, 2017

Today is International Fact Checking Day and everyone is celebrating.

Except Donald Trump.

Angie Holan, Editor of PolitiFact, appeared on CNN’s Reliable Sources and said of Trump’s endless barrage of inaccurate statements:

“[Trump’s] track record has not improved. He’s still on our scale earning about 70% of mostly false, false, or pants on fire.

...........

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
14. Very enlightening, especially for those who
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 09:57 AM
Apr 2017

voted for him and are not now paying much attention anymore. You know, the kind who look at politics as something you only think about every four years.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
20. Some of Trump's lies are definitely in the three-year-old psychological category, selfish lies.
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 04:01 PM
Apr 2017

Good read

"...his kind of lying seems to thrive in an atmosphere of anger, resentment and hyper-polarization. Party identification is so strong that criticism of the party feels like a threat to the self, which triggers a host of defensive psychological mechanisms.

For millions and millions of Americans, climate change is a hoax, Hillary Clinton ran a sex ring out of a pizza parlor, and immigrants cause crime. Whether they truly believe those falsehoods or not is debatable — and possibly irrelevant. The research to date suggests that they see those lies as useful weapons in a tribal us-against-them competition ...."


This of course suggests how to overcome those lies, promoting group cohesion, one nation, one global family, we are all humans all descendants of the same ancestors.
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