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There are hints here and there that "the grownups are winning." If you distinguish being a grownup from having good political views, do they qualify? I keep remembering that Chelsea Clinton was friends with Ivanka...
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,181 posts)It's hard to say if there are any grownups in this administration.
The RNC Preibus-Pence wing of the administration are familiar enemies in the traditional sense of politics compared to whatever the hell the Steve Bannon crowd brings in. I guess that's the closest there are to grownups, although it doesn't make them very good. Just familiar.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)It certainly is an interesting new approach to running for POTUS, which is where I assume this is heading.
Was looking at his Wikipedia. He made $20M in real estate. While he was a student attending Harvard!!! For many immigrants (he comes from immigrants) that is the dream. He truly is Michael Corleone.
maxsolomon
(33,316 posts)Give me several million dollars, and I could make more millions. Not impressed.
He's Tom. Ivanka is Michael.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)They're still spending bigly on proactive and other guthy renker products.
Amishman
(5,556 posts)But that is setting the bar so low that it's a tripping hazard
Johonny
(20,837 posts)it won't get better after this coup-d'etat
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)They've lived in their privledged little bubbles their whole lives. I don't trust them to take out the trash because it's their boss.
Chelsea and Ivanka may have been (or may still be) friends, but I don't think they are much alike. Chelsea is serious and compassionate. Ivanka is The Donald in female form.
I think it would be a mistake think she's any less lethal.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)This is conceivable because Trump has no principles at all. He believes in nothing except his own ego. Easy for him to collect people from across the spectrum. Of course, I'm not suggesting Kushner could be a good Democrat.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/us/politics/stephen-bannon-white-house.html?_r=0
Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)The escalating feud, though, goes beyond mere West Wing melodrama, the sort of whos-up-and-whos-down scorekeeping that typically consumes Washington. Instead, it reflects a larger struggle to guide the direction of the Trump presidency, played out in disagreements over the policies Mr. Trump should pursue, the people he should hire and the image he should put forward to the American people.
On one side are Mr. Bannons guerrilla warriors, eager to close the nations borders, dismantle decades of regulations, empower police departments and take on the establishment of both parties in Washington. On the other are Mr. Kushners Democrats, an appellation used to describe even Republicans who want to soften Mr. Trumps rough edges and broaden his narrow popular appeal after months of historically low poll numbers.
In the middle is Mr. Trump himself, seemingly torn between the two factions, tilting one way or the other depending on the day, or even the hour, while he seeks to recapture momentum after a series of defeats in Congress and the courts. As he did throughout his career in business and entertainment, Mr. Trump plays advisers off one another, encouraging a sort of free-for-all competition for influence and ideas within his circle, so long as everyone demonstrates loyalty to him.
In other words, Rump doesn't have a damned thought of his own. Not that that's a surprise.
librechik
(30,674 posts)So we can play pretend there are real folks in the WH to wrangle Jabba the Trump.
Or else it's some DeepState move to get rid of Bannon and the rest of the anarchists on staff. I'm rooting for the Deep State here. It was a kind of post apocalyptic plan, after all, the Continuity of Government Team. Here's their chance once again.
RobinA
(9,888 posts)for the Deep State since November.
haele
(12,649 posts)So he's just like many other puppet governments the "Deep State" supports, just not as particularly vicious. He doesn't seek control, he seeks the veneer of power without the responsibility of governance, and is perfectly willing to be flexible or even liberal if it suits his status.
Bannon is a radical who does politics and seeks ultimate control. Radicals like him would rather see the world burn than lose.
Haele
RobinA
(9,888 posts)they aren't nuts and they aren't right wing ideologues, so I will take them. They seem trainable and they may actually be able to listen to other people, also known of as experts, who aren't nuts. I'd actually take them over Bush Jr.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)"And in general, the personnel process has been so rigorous in its selection of inexperience that those who were hired on the basis of mere nepotism look like Dean Acheson by comparison."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/opinion/the-coming-incompetence-crisis.html?_r=0
P.S. I wanted the subject to be "A propos xxxx our discussion" but I got paralyzed between "of" and "to" and then my suspicion that "propos" means "of" or "to" and it would be redundant.... and.... and... Does anyone ever write a sentence using a propos, except the French????