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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:37 PM Apr 2017

FFS, Tomahawk Missiles Hitting A Single Airfield Is NOT A WAR. It's Proportial Response

and Adam Schiff just said on Rachel Maddow said this airfield that was hit is where the chemical weapons originated.

Edit- Richard Engel on Maddow said this was the MINIMAL reaction to the use of chemical weapons. A slap on the wrist.

Russians warned prior to this.

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FFS, Tomahawk Missiles Hitting A Single Airfield Is NOT A WAR. It's Proportial Response (Original Post) KittyWampus Apr 2017 OP
Is killing Russians SCantiGOP Apr 2017 #1
Granted the Trump administration invited Assad to do whatever he wanted jberryhill Apr 2017 #4
My posting history shows my antipathy for Trump is unparalleled. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #8
Same brother...same here Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #45
+1 grantcart Apr 2017 #49
Imagine hitting a Russian barracks with one of our missiles exboyfil Apr 2017 #9
Imagine no response to the use of chemical weapons jberryhill Apr 2017 #12
They report that Russians were given prior notice of this air strike. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #14
So where the Syrians told as well? exboyfil Apr 2017 #18
Infrastructure can't run away. NutmegYankee Apr 2017 #22
No atreides1 Apr 2017 #26
True. We probably made a few good sized craters. NutmegYankee Apr 2017 #27
And Trump SCantiGOP Apr 2017 #43
If the Syrians see Russians taking off, they'd get the hint. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #35
Assumption is that Russia told Syrians womanofthehills Apr 2017 #50
???????????????????? n/t kacekwl Apr 2017 #2
Some are saying that first you cripple air defense before you attack further NightWatcher Apr 2017 #3
Hitting one air field is not "crippling air defense". KittyWampus Apr 2017 #6
Actually, it is part of it. NutmegYankee Apr 2017 #20
But Syria is not the US caraher Apr 2017 #60
Agreed - and giving advanced notice womanofthehills Apr 2017 #52
where's the evidence? bigtree Apr 2017 #5
Unchecked use of chemical weapons is a threat to global security jberryhill Apr 2017 #16
That's the question? atreides1 Apr 2017 #31
exactly bdamomma Apr 2017 #47
It'll come out that the troop movements for the past two days has been suspiciously intent Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #7
Willing the bet they bunkered the planes as well exboyfil Apr 2017 #13
How would Schiff know anything about this? HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #10
His committee. Do you know who he is? Turn on Rachel Maddow and learn something he's on now. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #11
He is a bureaucrat HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #15
Weird non sequitur. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #17
He's one of the Gang of Eight Sgent Apr 2017 #21
Listen to him HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #23
Its not even proportional !!! Its like lobbing missiles at a highway junkyard that can be fixed week uponit7771 Apr 2017 #19
It's a slap on the wrist Idoru Apr 2017 #24
Practice for N. Korea. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #25
Let's not even go there bdamomma Apr 2017 #48
"Just leave it alone"?? I'm sorry, are you the new Hall Monitor? WinkyDink Apr 2017 #62
Thank you. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #28
The purpose of the strikes is to get a 7 - 10 % bump in the polls. nt DURHAM D Apr 2017 #29
There's some industrial strenght cynicism going on, and it's entirely warranted. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #36
We have a winner! Boomerproud Apr 2017 #40
Well, it's not because he gives a damn about the Syrian people. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #44
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #56
So you support Trump's war? TXCritter Apr 2017 #30
Trump has already hugely increased drone strikes. Have you been posting on that? KittyWampus Apr 2017 #37
Irrelevant. This isn't about me, it's about Trump and his new war. TXCritter Apr 2017 #39
It's not a war, it's a missile strike on one air strip that was given prior notice. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #46
Latest reports are that nobody died in the attack LittleBlue Apr 2017 #54
Now, now, don't disappoint the posters calling for us to run to fallout shelters. nt cwydro Apr 2017 #32
If Russia was warned so was Assad BeyondGeography Apr 2017 #33
Trump has to stay on Putin's good side and Putin can replace Assad womanofthehills Apr 2017 #55
Proportional response? atreides1 Apr 2017 #34
The use of chemical weapons in an area where US personnel are proximate. Assad broke a treaty KittyWampus Apr 2017 #38
I'm worried about possible escalation sakabatou Apr 2017 #41
me too. KittyWampus Apr 2017 #42
As are most if not all greytdemocrat Apr 2017 #58
At least he didn't hit a bunch of civilians like his other strikes tammywammy Apr 2017 #51
It's not a war. Rustyeye77 Apr 2017 #53
I suppose that's a matter of perspective and international law. bluedigger Apr 2017 #57
So he got Congressional approval? WoonTars Apr 2017 #59
FFS, this is the silliest argument I've heard in a long time. Daemonaquila Apr 2017 #61
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. Granted the Trump administration invited Assad to do whatever he wanted
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:39 PM
Apr 2017

But there can be no tolerance for the use of chemical weapons.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
8. My posting history shows my antipathy for Trump is unparalleled.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:41 PM
Apr 2017

But I am not going to have a knee jerk reaction to this move. I will evaluate the information and render a sober judgment. At this moment I don't know how I feel.

atreides1

(16,046 posts)
26. No
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:55 PM
Apr 2017

But equipment and personnel can be moved to another base! Maybe even a base that has a Russian presence, this time!

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
27. True. We probably made a few good sized craters.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:56 PM
Apr 2017

And tomorrow a crew will go out with a bulldozer and fill them in and then put down new asphalt.

womanofthehills

(8,580 posts)
50. Assumption is that Russia told Syrians
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:31 PM
Apr 2017

and a lot of asphalt was bombed. The point of shooting the missiles is getting Trump's rating to go up.

paul mcleary?Verified account @paulmcleary
Defense official: there were Russians stationed at the base the US struck in Syria tonight, but US informed them beforehand @ForeignPolicy


Malcolm Nance?Verified account @MalcolmNance
Malcolm Nance Retweeted Max Boot

I believe Trump's Syria 180 comes fm Mattis/McMaster. Bannon needs an attack to shore up polls. Prepare for a B2 strike on Syria in 3..2..1

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. Some are saying that first you cripple air defense before you attack further
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:39 PM
Apr 2017

Gen McCafferty said this.

Either way, a bombing isn't a great thing to start

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
20. Actually, it is part of it.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:46 PM
Apr 2017

Scrambling jets for aerial combat is part of any nations air defenses. In the USA, it's our main defense as we don't have a lot of AA batteries given that our long-range radar and oceans give us time to get forces into the air.

caraher

(6,276 posts)
60. But Syria is not the US
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 11:24 PM
Apr 2017

Air forces like Syria's have fared quite badly against the likes of the US and Israel. More importantly, they do have a lot more advanced surface-to-air missiles and rely upon them accordingly.

I think the military rationale for striking an airfield would be to deny Assad the capability to use aircraft to bomb (including chemical weapons) his foes. If this was a prelude to taking out air defenses, the targets would have been more varied, both geographically and in terms of target types (radars, missile batteries, control centers)

womanofthehills

(8,580 posts)
52. Agreed - and giving advanced notice
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:35 PM
Apr 2017

Doesn't Syria have 6 or more air fields? Plenty of time to move the planes - plenty of time to evacuate.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
16. Unchecked use of chemical weapons is a threat to global security
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:44 PM
Apr 2017

I'm sure, as someone else noted, that the Russians were moved safely away first.

And probably the Syrians, and the chemical weapons.

atreides1

(16,046 posts)
31. That's the question?
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:58 PM
Apr 2017

From what I can see there was no threat to US national security! And if anyone believes that Trump did this because he was "shocked" by a chemical attack on the very same people that he's been trying to prevent from entering the US, then those people are almost as dumb as he is!!!

 

Jonny Appleseed

(960 posts)
7. It'll come out that the troop movements for the past two days has been suspiciously intent
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:41 PM
Apr 2017

On moving all ruskie assets away from the targets.
Mark my words.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
21. He's one of the Gang of Eight
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:49 PM
Apr 2017

he has access to and is deemed need to know of all of american intelligence operations. One of 9 people to have that level of clearance.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
19. Its not even proportional !!! Its like lobbing missiles at a highway junkyard that can be fixed week
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:46 PM
Apr 2017

...weeks later

Idoru

(167 posts)
24. It's a slap on the wrist
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:52 PM
Apr 2017

Considering.

It will probably just be a symbolic one off. But who knows? We are not dealing with anything close to a normal administration, here.

As always, stay tuned.

Boomerproud

(7,889 posts)
40. We have a winner!
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:11 PM
Apr 2017

Every politico and every mediacritter is parroting the same line in the last 1/2 hour="Trump was so moved by the photos of suffering children that he HAD to do something." Marco Rubio was particularly vomit-inducing.

 

TXCritter

(344 posts)
30. So you support Trump's war?
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:58 PM
Apr 2017

Tell that to the dead and wounded civilians.

Tell that to the veterans who will lose arms, legs and sanity in this "non-war".

Your argument is a legal technicality that means nothing to the dead, injured and suffering.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
54. Latest reports are that nobody died in the attack
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:47 PM
Apr 2017

The Russians informed Assad. Aircraft were gone too. The purpose was to render the airfield unusable.

womanofthehills

(8,580 posts)
55. Trump has to stay on Putin's good side and Putin can replace Assad
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:55 PM
Apr 2017

Louise Mensch?Verified account @LouiseMensch 1h1 hour ago

The FSB agent (I believe) told me Russia's plan was to sacrifice Assad for a gullible US public but keep the regime and its warm water port.


Adin of Crimea? @RealCrimea
Replying to @LouiseMensch

Russian port and airbase are all that Putin is concerned with. Handing over regime to Assad sibling or relative changes nothing.

atreides1

(16,046 posts)
34. Proportional response?
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:03 PM
Apr 2017

To what attack on the US or any of its allies, was this a proportional response to?

Do you believe that Trump actually did this for anything more then just to stop the reports on his collusion with the Russians?

His EPA director just back tracked on pesticides that cause brain damage to children, and is considering lowering the regulations on lead based paint!

Maybe they should fire 100 cruise missiles at the EPA building, because the decisions coming from Pruitt is going to make children suffer and die!!!

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
38. The use of chemical weapons in an area where US personnel are proximate. Assad broke a treaty
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:07 PM
Apr 2017

and UN resolutions using chemical weapons.

My OP didn't say I agreed with tonight's action.

I am simply stating facts in the face of hyperbole.

 

Rustyeye77

(2,736 posts)
53. It's not a war.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:46 PM
Apr 2017

I think O would have done the same thing.

Sometimes crimes are so repugnant that they demand a response.

bluedigger

(17,077 posts)
57. I suppose that's a matter of perspective and international law.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:59 PM
Apr 2017

It's pretty much in Syria's court whether or not they want to call it a cassus belli or not, but generally when one country's military attacks another's, that would qualify. Provocation is just justification for taking action, not absolvance for an act of aggression. Winners decide who provoked who, and write the history accordingly.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
61. FFS, this is the silliest argument I've heard in a long time.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 11:31 PM
Apr 2017

If the US bombed sovereign nations for the atrocities they committed against their own people, not the U.S., a small list of nations with massive craters from US missiles would include:
Israel
Rwanda
Bosnia
Ethiopia
Sudan
.
.
.
and the list goes on to include Russia and China and all SORTS of others.

No, it is NOT "proportional" to say, "Your use of weapons offends our sensibilities, so we are going to bomb you even though we are not in actual conflict with each other." This is particularly the case when we are actually on the ground in that country and COOPERATING with the national leader we just bombed. It is double the case when we are on the ground, with some tension, with another superpower that is wholly backing the guy we just bombed. It is triply the case when the leader of that other superpower has an itchy trigger finger and has been known to annex other nations and strut into wars like it's a Thursday.

The atrocity in Syria is unforgiveable. So is the U.S.'s atrocity against the Syrian people - refusing their refugees help and agitating for others to refuse them. The U.S. has absolutely no fiber of moral ground in bombing Syria.

The real reason was simple. SCROTUS is upset over an internal fight between Bannon and Kushner, and the long knives in his office, and he's crazed by the ethics investigation into his favorite stoogie-woogie who had to step down from his pre-ordained set of hearings and conclusions. He had Xi at dinner, and he had to wave his dick around in front of the leader of China. That. Is. All.

"Proportional response" my left butt cheek.

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