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AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 02:10 AM Apr 2017

Trump's Act of War is Unconstitutional...

https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-launched-missile-strikes-on-syria-without-congressional-authorization/

The reference to a “vital national security interest” was an attempt to justify the presidential action.

But Congresswoman Barbara Lee argued Thursday night that “this is an act of war. Congress needs to come back into session and hold a debate. Anything less is an abdication of our responsibility.”

...

 Virginia Senator Tim Kaine, the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2016, bluntly declared that Trump’s action was “unconstitutional.”

 “Assad is a brutal dictator who must be held to account for atrocities,” argued Kaine. “But the president’s failure to seek congressional approval is unlawful.”

Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, a 2016 Republican presidential contender, agreed.

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Trump's Act of War is Unconstitutional... (Original Post) AntiFascist Apr 2017 OP
I wish Nixon had also been impeached for Cambodia struggle4progress Apr 2017 #1
I wixh we could start arresting prominent members of the MIC. Initech Apr 2017 #10
"Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, a 2016 Republican presidential contender, agreed" Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #2
Not a good line of reasoning to go down Kentonio Apr 2017 #3
Not in the case of Obama... AntiFascist Apr 2017 #6
Please, Obama dropped plenty of munitions on countries we are not at war with. EX500rider Apr 2017 #7
You seem to forget... AntiFascist Apr 2017 #9
So air stirkes good, missle strikes bad? jmg257 Apr 2017 #4
Who was the last time that a US President who didn't do this? Jose Garcia Apr 2017 #5
As recently as the Obama Administration... AntiFascist Apr 2017 #8
While I agree that Congress has long neglected its role in war, the tragic fact Solly Mack Apr 2017 #11
Again... AntiFascist Apr 2017 #12
I'm not saying it is. Merely saying a president such as Trump isn't above using it Solly Mack Apr 2017 #13
Trump is like a spoiled child... AntiFascist Apr 2017 #14
Absolutely! Solly Mack Apr 2017 #15
That simple malaise Apr 2017 #16
Exactly. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #17

Initech

(100,055 posts)
10. I wixh we could start arresting prominent members of the MIC.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:15 PM
Apr 2017

Let's start with Erik Prince. Then we can start arresting the whole lot of 'em. They're the real criminals in all of this.

 

Jonny Appleseed

(960 posts)
2. "Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, a 2016 Republican presidential contender, agreed"
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 02:34 AM
Apr 2017

Rand Paul needs some mood stabilizers.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
3. Not a good line of reasoning to go down
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:55 AM
Apr 2017

Considering Democratic presidents have also used these kinds of attacks without asking congress first.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
6. Not in the case of Obama...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 02:58 PM
Apr 2017

he understood that taking unilateral action against Syria was not legal and sought approval from Congress. Even Bush was granted authorization for the use of force against terrorists by Congress, although Americans were mislead about Iraq.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
9. You seem to forget...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:12 PM
Apr 2017

the President is authorized to take action against terrorists for defense purposes. This has been ongoing since 9-11.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
8. As recently as the Obama Administration...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:09 PM
Apr 2017

and Obama happens to be a consitutional law professor:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

“But having made my decision as commander in chief based on what I am convinced is our national security interests, I’m also mindful that I’m the president of the world’s oldest constitutional democracy.”

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
11. While I agree that Congress has long neglected its role in war, the tragic fact
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:16 PM
Apr 2017

remains that Congress gave up that role willingly (with things such as the WPA), and all too often will make excuses for allowing a president to act unilateral.

And never discount the shocking amount of power the war on terror has given the office of president - with the majority of Congress signing off on it. (before or after any actions)

Congress needs to clean its own houses. Then it can once again be the body it was intended to be. And we, the people, need to help them clean those houses.

Oddly enough, the War Powers Act was intended as a check on presidential powers to enact war - but presidents have stilled used it to to justify strikes and such. Congress passed that law - they need to revisit it and seriously strengthen it against the power of a president. They need to act as the co-equal branch that they are instead of serving themselves and that of a co-party president. The country and its people first, actually. Not in the Trump way...in the true way.

I'm a cynic. My government allowed war criminals to walk free, attacked and obstructed a President for his skin hue (and his discretion), and now Trump is going to get away with his actions, no matter what.

If anyone in government would like to prove me wrong - PLEASE - have at it.

I'll happily eat crow.







AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
12. Again...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:35 PM
Apr 2017

the strike against Syria has nothing to do with the "war on terror" which was intended to defend against terrorists who posed a threat against the US. In fact, Trump is being criticized by the opposition for helping out ISIS. If ISIS becomes emboldened by this, then it could turn into a real clusterfuck within Syria.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
14. Trump is like a spoiled child...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:41 PM
Apr 2017

testing his parents to see how much he can get away with on his own. I'm sure he envies Putin's authoritarian power.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
15. Absolutely!
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:43 PM
Apr 2017

Let's hope his "parents" - all of them - come down hard.

Sadly, some of his parents would rather stroke his ego, as it serves them best.

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