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(1,258 posts)blame Obama for any problems that will arise.
Vinca
(50,236 posts)They never even brought the subject up for discussion.
karynnj
(59,495 posts)They had hearings in relevant Senate and House committees. Kerry, Hagel and some military leaders all appeared. The SFRC narrowly approved it and the vote was to go to the full body, where it quickly was seen as likely to fail. The measure had nay sayers on both sides - with the McCain led group of Republican interventionists against it because it was too limited and many Democrats (and Rand Paul) against it because of fear it could pull us into another full fledged war.
Also different, President Obama adressed the country with a speech explaining what happened and his reasons for wanting to respond and outlining - with no specifics - what he intended to do. At Obama's request, Kerry also gave a speech giving the humaunitarian intervention reason for responding. I believe that Powers also put out a compelling statement. In contrast, Trump made a rather strange, very short comment saying he had ordered the action as (or after ) it started.
Obama did not intionally say that he wanted or needed Congressional approval. That happened a few days later after the British Parliment voted their joining us down. CoS McDonough and Obama made the decision to step back and ask Congressional approval, retaining their postion that the President did not need approval. The latter was tricky for the administration members who testified to Congress.
It was BEFORE the full House or Senate vote that Kerry made the comment when asked how Syria could avoid an attack, that Assad could give up his chemical weapons. Russia, which had not been willing to pressure Syria to do so before - immediately took the administration up on the offer. It took a few weeks to negotiate -- and a Kerry/Lavrov intervention with their UN teams to get an agreement at the UN.
Though much has been made that this was Obama "not doing anything", I suspect that had we done the type of attack Obama spoke of - much like what Trump did - it might have made Assad feel the cost was too high to use chemical weapons, BUT those weapons would have stayed in Syria. From accounts from 2014, they removed at least 600 tons of chemical weapons. Had they not been removed in 2014, can we be sure that none were in places overrun by ISIS later that year? It is never a bad idea to destroy 600 tons of chemical weapons (which the US did) - especially in an unstable country.
As to the nonsense that it failed because Assad clearly had chemical weapons recently (and likely now) -- well, he clearly has at least 600 tons less than he did. Additionally, he may have been able to obtain new CW in the last three years.
Syria was not a success for anyone, but it is absolutely not clear if there was ANY good or even not bad alternative.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)After Libya, neither side has much reason to complain.
caroldansen
(725 posts)him arent close friends?
caroldansen
(725 posts)winetourdriver01
(1,154 posts)You can bet your ass the "rules" would apply to a female democratic president as well.
bdamomma
(63,791 posts)being a woman and Black President who had intelligence and calmness had to have "rules"
I hate this POS chump.
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Cha
(296,780 posts)Cosmocat
(14,558 posts)the primary issue is having a D next to your name.
John Kerry, All Gore, Howard Dean could have asked for permission and they assholes would have pulled the same shit.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Hell it would be more than the rules. It would be stated in terms like "murder" and for the first time in their lives, right wingers would be against a military action.
Cha
(296,780 posts)so damn true
Docreed2003
(16,848 posts)Obama was intentionally framed by the right as being "weak" on Syria, when he actually followed the Constitution and tried to gain Congressional support for strikes at a time when such strikes could have actually been effective.
NamesDave
(58 posts)brer cat
(24,522 posts)Welcome to DU.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Imagine if Hillary had appointed her son in law as envoy to broker peace all over the globe? If she had put Chelsea into the WH? The gop would have been throwing tantrums daily, holding investigations. Agent Orange puts his less than intelligent spawn into positions of influence, and the gop seems to think that is fine. I pray that they ALL pay during the next round of elections. The democratic candidates are doing pretty well here in Illinois on the local level. Next time we are going to take it national. Get the deadwood out of office.
NamesDave
(58 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Preach it!! That is exactly the truth!
Rhiannon12866
(204,695 posts)I wonder what Sasha thinks of the Middle East situation?? Her take on it has to be as relevant as that of a "real estate developer..."
One in a countless (literally) number of clusterfucjs 45 is engaging in that Rs are perfectly fine with, that we pull our hair out about the hysterics if a D had done the same thing.
mnmoderatedem
(3,721 posts)what if during Hillary had disparaged John McCain purely for her own political gain? What if she won the presidency and tweeted that McCain was a "loser"? What if she said during her campaign she declared how much she admired how Putin was a better leader then a sitting US republican president? What if she won the presidency, and when asked about Putin, shrugs her shoulders and says, " a lot of people are killers. Do you think we're so innocent?". Imagine the chaos. Trump always just seems to skate by all these things without any real repercussion.
videohead5
(2,165 posts)Some Republicans threaten impeachment if Obama had bombed Syria without authorization from congress.
Dorn
(523 posts)Bombing is war.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I can attest to that. As a white attorney, clients who are white and black and have similar situations - the black client will be subjected to a picky full force of every rule, and the white client will have them interpreted by common sense. It may be not conscious on the part of government officials making determinations on the case, but it is clear to observe.
gordianot
(15,232 posts)Any time your successor does not follow the rules.
karynnj
(59,495 posts)The War powers act is complicated and it has been argued different ways. With Iraq, the intent was public and we asked the inspectors to leave. With Sudan, the attack happened without any public warning. (I do not know who in Congress had been informed)
Likewise, Obama and the large coalition have been striking ISIS in both Iraq, working with the Iraq government and in Syria, deconflicting with Syria, Russia and Iran. Here, Obama has asked for approval and even sent language that he recommended they use. Even that - against ISIS - which is less controversial has never even come to a vote in either House. Congress does not want to force itself to be on record.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)by our last POTUS can and will be used by boy-potus and his ship of fools to make boy-potus seem so prezidential. Truly dangerous and evil times being created more so by dangerous and evil men intent on blowing people to bits, men women and children.
BSdetect
(8,994 posts)They are a sick bunch drunk with imagined power.
We have not seen the worst of them yet.
Much worse to come.
Much, much worse.
They are WELL across the line.
Very little light in their souls now.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)The Republican congress likes war. And our new conservative judge on the supreme court will uphold it. Pro-lifers have been investing in defense contractors and preparing to profit from lots of death.
Even if they proposed a plan to deport puppies and kittens from America and feed them to sharks, I wouldn't be surprised.
bucolic_frolic
(43,033 posts)he can do anything he wants to, but you can't do it because he said so
This is all about narcissistic ego and male dominance
mdbl
(4,973 posts)Actually, it should show up in the number 1 position.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)You don't think there would be the same sort of thing going on if the previous Democratic president was white?