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MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:44 AM Apr 2017

So, Trump Bombs Syria and Will Have Meetings with Xi Today

The timing is interesting, but I don't have much of a clear picture of what the Chinese President will make of this. Certainly, it raises concerns about what Trump might do in North Korea, so that is an issue. On the other hand, Xi might not be all that interested today in solving problems with Trump.

Sadly, we won't really hear what they talked about or how the conversation went.

It appears to me that Trump has flexed his flabby biceps in anticipation of this meeting with Chinese leader. But, will Xi be impressed? I sort of doubt it. There may be a chilly response from China over this.

I'd be interested in hearing what other DUers think about this.

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So, Trump Bombs Syria and Will Have Meetings with Xi Today (Original Post) MineralMan Apr 2017 OP
Found this article - What Russia and China wanted to do underpants Apr 2017 #1
I've read several stories on this already this morning. MineralMan Apr 2017 #2
hurry up sweetapogee Apr 2017 #3
Actually, I'm not that well-informed about China/US relations. MineralMan Apr 2017 #5
News seems to be building that this was theatre... Satch59 Apr 2017 #4
Theater, to be sure. MineralMan Apr 2017 #7
I don't think this alters China's stance bigtree Apr 2017 #6
I think you're probably right in the long term. MineralMan Apr 2017 #8
Well said! Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #10
It was deliberate malaise Apr 2017 #9
No doubt. Clearly, Trump is doing this in some sort of MineralMan Apr 2017 #12
Xi will do what is in China's interest. I doubt a few dozen cruise missiles will intimidate him. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #11
I agree. China doesn't give a damn about Syria, really. MineralMan Apr 2017 #13
Not his problem. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #14
Perhaps. I don't know. MineralMan Apr 2017 #15
tRump is just a bully mitch96 Apr 2017 #16
Xi is nobodies fool and on overtly better footing w/Putin. He knows Trump is an asset KittyWampus Apr 2017 #17

underpants

(182,585 posts)
1. Found this article - What Russia and China wanted to do
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:53 AM
Apr 2017
https://qz.com/952742/what-russia-and-china-wanted-to-do-about-the-the-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/

I think it was mostly a matter of odd timing. The Pentagon had a plan (they have plans for everything) and a swift reaction seemed to be needed - if we assume it was Assad doing it on purpose- so they pulled the trigger.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
2. I've read several stories on this already this morning.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:56 AM
Apr 2017

It appears that there won't be an official reaction from China at this time. I suppose that reflects the difficulties of the situation, especially with regard to the North Korea situation. It presents some very complicated issues, really, for both the US and China. I suppose any official reaction will come after Xi returns to China and discussions there lead to whatever decisions are reached.

Certainly, though it raises a lot of concerns.

sweetapogee

(1,168 posts)
3. hurry up
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:57 AM
Apr 2017

and get some clarity on the situation with Xi pronto. We are counting on you to bring us up to speed!

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
5. Actually, I'm not that well-informed about China/US relations.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:59 AM
Apr 2017

My interests are primarily domestic, so I won't really be able to make any sensible predictions. I'm curious, though, and will be following to see what does happen.

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
4. News seems to be building that this was theatre...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:58 AM
Apr 2017

And I'll guess that Xi is smarter than Trump (who isn't) so he should be skeptical... Seems like a bully in your face move to China... If info doesn't leak out about meeting, will have to wait until Xi leaves for his reaction?

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
7. Theater, to be sure.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:01 AM
Apr 2017

There are many levels at play here, but the plot of this play is still not clear.

I have no doubt that Xi is smarter than Trump. Almost anyone is smarter than Trump. I think you're right, though. We may not be able to fully understand this until Xi returns to China.

bigtree

(85,971 posts)
6. I don't think this alters China's stance
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:00 AM
Apr 2017

...the strikes already serve for China to opportunistically portray the U.S. as imperialist, and China, like Russia, will use this incident as justification for their own expansionist moves and ambitions, like in the South China Sea.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
8. I think you're probably right in the long term.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:04 AM
Apr 2017

Immediately, though, the ramifications of all this may have an impact on a number of issues. China thinks thoroughly about it's long-term goals and plans. The US? Not so much. Trump? Not at all. He's reacts, rather than plans, I think.

There are two completely different philosophies at play when it comes to China and the US.

malaise

(268,664 posts)
9. It was deliberate
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:04 AM
Apr 2017

See how Macho I am - says the Con.
It was a violation of US law and International law

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
12. No doubt. Clearly, Trump is doing this in some sort of
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:05 AM
Apr 2017

strategic way, but I wonder how well he understands strategy. He doesn't seem like a strategic thinker, really.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
13. I agree. China doesn't give a damn about Syria, really.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:07 AM
Apr 2017

It's pretty inconsequential to them. However, it does have interests in North Korea, and this seems to be a clear message about that nation's plans to create arms that might threaten the US or its ally, Japan.

A shot across the bow, perhaps.

mitch96

(13,869 posts)
16. tRump is just a bully
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 11:51 AM
Apr 2017

and he is showing Xi/ Kim how big his balls are. Like grabbing Abe's arm and failing to to it to Trudeau.
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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
17. Xi is nobodies fool and on overtly better footing w/Putin. He knows Trump is an asset
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 11:55 AM
Apr 2017

and a chump. He probably knows last nights missiles were pure theater to help a weakling with a pathetic State Dept and no clue about international relations.

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