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HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
3. The people who run our country are the biggest cheaters known to mankind.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 12:23 PM
Apr 2017

They rig the laws with their plants that allow them to keep their enormous incomes and fortunes while taxing/suppressing the shit out of the middle/working/poor.

They fire workers while giving themselves and their cronies raises and bonuses, all the while not caring whether this harms Capitalism . . . because "FYIGM".

They exit a company with a sum equivalent to multiple lotteries no matter WHAT kind of job they do.

Unless they screw fellow rich people, they can commit almost any crime and get away with it.

All the while, they attest "They did it completely on their own" without crediting the public largesse that put them there.

The system isn't broken, it's FIXED.

thesquanderer

(11,967 posts)
11. Bingo. At least children now know the truth.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 02:27 PM
Apr 2017

And the moral is not that it's okay to cheat. But it is naive to think that cheaters can't sometimes come out on top.

Now we just have to make sure they also know that coming out on top is not always the most important goal.

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
5. Not so. Children need to be taught what is right and how to act when they are young. ...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 12:28 PM
Apr 2017

How else will they grow up to be decent people themselves? Soon enough they learn there are people who are not decent, or kind, or honest. Then we (parents, teachers) teach them how to respond, how to speak up, how to defend themselves and others. These are tools for life.

Trump serves as a horrible example of everything a human being should not be. He's rich and powerful -- that doesn't make him a "winner."

Resistance starts at home, and it starts young.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
6. Very true.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 12:28 PM
Apr 2017

It's maddening. It's sickening.

I'm still angry at the idiots who support this and who cannot see what is happening right in front of their eyes.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
7. Acknowledging all this as the very pathetic truth, the mad...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 12:32 PM
Apr 2017

as hell portion of my brain is screaming RESIST and take it back from these jagoffs!
Take it BACK.
Yes, it could get worse.
No, we cannot let it stand. Get Mad. Get vocal.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
10. No need to teach plagiarism anymore.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 02:25 PM
Apr 2017

All those budding writers whose teachers have been forbidding the copying of another's work will now have an excuse:If it's okay for a Supreme Court justice, it's okay for me. Now instead of wasting time teaching original research and writing, teachers can spend more time on the funny math that props up the Republican plan of trickle down prosperity for all (all the 1%, that is).

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
13. Well, that's never been true. Cheaters get away with a lot, to include winning.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 02:55 PM
Apr 2017

One of the reasons children begin looking askance at their parents is because they learn early, and I do mean early, that their parents are lying to them.

Just to let you know, a 2 year old knows when an adult is lying and they fully understand what "NO" means by then. Thus begins their sneaky suspicions about the world and what they are told. You can tell them it has to do with their age and skill level, but then their see their little toddler friends in play groups and other socializing functions, and well...children aren't dumb, people. Not in the least.

How the world should be as opposed to how they see it operating.

I believe some studies have shown that children know a lie earlier than two. But the concept of the word "No" being fully instilled can and does connect the dots for them.

While I agree with teaching children the best about humanity, I am not one to lie to a child about the reality of the world they inhabit.

I do keep it age appropriate though. Still, I don't lie to children and that has caused some harsh feelings with my friends over the years. But never with their children.

Teens and younger often think their parents are stupid or they don't understand, or it is different now, because of the lying. Children are not dumb - neither are they as fragile as you might think. Always exceptions - act accordingly.

They see the world as it is, at least the world they inhabit (school, friends, teams, etc..), and they hear from their parents how the world should be. Don't cheat. Don't steal. Don't lie. It always gets you in the end. But...they have already witnessed repeatedly that such is simply not true.

Instead of telling them not to cheat and saying cheaters never win (a falsehood), tell them the ethics behind it instead and what it takes to be a decent person. Keep it age appropriate and NEVER lecture (I know, I know). Keep it open ended and use props - books, movies, real life situations, whatever. There is a damaging side to lying and cheating, but it's not always the liar or cheater who sustains the damage - show them the victims. Empathy. Sympathy.


I've been out of the early childhood development arena for a long time now. So what do I know?




Calculating

(2,955 posts)
14. We live in a country run by cheaters, for cheaters
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:04 PM
Apr 2017

Just look no further than our tax system. It punishes people who play by the rules, and encourages people to hide their earnings overseas in tax havens. A middle class wage earner will frequently pay a higher effective rate than a multi-billionaire. We're getting the the point where cheating in some way is almost the only way to make it big.

czarjak

(11,244 posts)
15. Reminds me of my Jr. High football coach....
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:09 PM
Apr 2017

"Cheating to win doesn't make you a winner, it makes yea cheater, and Jesus doesn't like that" Definitely old-school.

Initech

(100,013 posts)
16. Happens in both politics and sports.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:13 PM
Apr 2017

Republicans? Cheated. And won.
Patriots? Cheated. And won multiple times.
Alex Rodriguez? Cheated. And won.
Curt Schilling? Cheated. And won.
Lance Armstrong? Cheated. And won.

Cheaters never win? Cheaters always win!

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