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Is The MOAB a weapon of mass destruction by definition? (Original Post) HAB911 Apr 2017 OP
No EX500rider Apr 2017 #1
Possibly! atreides1 Apr 2017 #13
Nope. grossproffit Apr 2017 #2
US says it "took every precaution to avoid civilian casualties" HAB911 Apr 2017 #3
At 11 tons, it's about 1/2,000 less power than the 20 kiloton Hirosima weapon... Rollo Apr 2017 #4
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Really? Somebody would claim bombs dropped on ISIS were war crimes? EX500rider Apr 2017 #8
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Don't be a what? onenote Apr 2017 #11
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Keep digging. onenote Apr 2017 #17
Seems like more hype than anything else. Amishman Apr 2017 #6
Yes. Kentonio Apr 2017 #7
Nope Henry Krinkle Apr 2017 #10
A more up to date definition of WMD's atreides1 Apr 2017 #14
It is a wmd Dem2 Apr 2017 #15
Just your daily distraction from Trump's crimes alarimer Apr 2017 #16

EX500rider

(10,835 posts)
1. No
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:54 PM
Apr 2017

weap·on of mass de·struc·tion
noun
plural noun: weapons of mass destruction
a chemical, biological or radioactive weapon capable of causing widespread death and destruction

atreides1

(16,072 posts)
13. Possibly!
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:22 PM
Apr 2017

A weapon of mass destruction (WMD) is a nuclear, radiological, chemical, biological or other weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large number of humans or cause great damage to human-made structures (e.g., buildings), natural structures (e.g., mountains), or the biosphere. The scope and usage of the term has evolved and been disputed, often signifying more politically than technically. Originally coined in reference to aerial bombing with chemical explosives, since World War II it has come to refer to large-scale weaponry of other technologies, such as chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_mass_destruction

HAB911

(8,880 posts)
3. US says it "took every precaution to avoid civilian casualties"
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:01 PM
Apr 2017

US says it "took every precaution to avoid civilian casualties" when dropping a bomb that has a blast radius of a mile in every direction.


Rollo

(2,559 posts)
4. At 11 tons, it's about 1/2,000 less power than the 20 kiloton Hirosima weapon...
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:05 PM
Apr 2017

As such it's not classified as a WMD.

That said, some sources claim that smaller bombs delivered by faster and more maneuverable fighter bombers are more effective at cave clearing. The value of the MOAB is primarily psychological, it might seem.

Meanwhile the Russian have claimed a FOAB that is four times as powerful as the MOAB.

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Amishman

(5,555 posts)
6. Seems like more hype than anything else.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:08 PM
Apr 2017

Is there really much of a difference between dropping a single 12k pound bomb on a target vs dropping twelve 1k pound bombs on that target?

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
7. Yes.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:11 PM
Apr 2017

If people want to fall back on the 'must be chemical/biological/nuclear' then thats up to them, but if we for instance invent a weapon that can ignite the earths atmosphere and it doesn't fall into the neat little above categories then I'd be interested to hear people's rational for what defined 'mass'.

These things get defined years ago, and people stick with them because it allows them to sidestep difficult questions like 'does this make us the bad guys?'.

 

Henry Krinkle

(208 posts)
10. Nope
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:19 PM
Apr 2017

No different than dropping 21 1,000lbs bombs.

Even though naplam and FAE's (fuel air explosives), aren't WMD's, I'd have to say that they're more inhumane, terror
weapons than any MOAB.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
16. Just your daily distraction from Trump's crimes
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:24 PM
Apr 2017

He will keep doing this until we forget all about them.

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