Can we have a fresh face for 2020?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Let the Gores, the Clintons, and the Sanders be the elder statesmen and stateswomen of our party. It's time to look forward and not back.

If this was boxing Gore and Clinton would get rematches because their losses were contested and controversial but it isn't. I never thought of it until now but politics is more final, more unforgiving, and more brutal than pugilism.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

1. Why pick on Bernie? He's had only one shot at this... like Hillary, now it's his turn in 2020!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Nobody is entitled to a "turn."

Someone will emerge as the best candidate, but I doubt it will be either Hillary or Bernie. Bernie (whom I supported during the primaries) will be 78 and I doubt he'll want to put himself through another campaign. Hillary has lost twice, which doesn't bode well for a third try. I don't want either of them to run, and it's much too soon to know who the likely and viable candidates will be.

[Tom Rinaldo]

9. I fully agree. Nobody is entitled to a "turn."

Not even Gore in 2004 if he wanted it, and he had a damn good case. Nominations have to be won in real time, not promised in advance.

[TexasBushwhacker]

139. They aren't entitled to a turn

But both parties do it and it generally doesn't work out well for either party. In recent memory, I can only think of one VP who successfully ran for President immediately after serving as VP and that's George HW Bush.

Nixon's first run
Humphrey
Mondale
Gore

Then you get the candidates who lost the nomination once, but got it the second or third time around. Reagan won the second time around, but Dole, Romney and Hillary Clinton couldn't close the deal.

[Demsrule86]

20. Look how Pres. Obama came out of nowhere and won it all.

[Blanks]

71. Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter...

Both unknowns four years before they became president.

We need someone late forties, early fifties.

Although, if Hillary wants to put herself through it again, I have no problem with that. It's gonna take some experienced hands to undo the damage.

[Demsrule86]

109. True that...we have no idea who will run in 20.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

76. If we learned nothing else from the last election...

and I'm not convinced we learned anything at all, I really hope we learned that it is never anyone's turn.

[HopeAgain]

101. +100

[jalan48]

3. Right now Bernie stands the best chance of winning. 2020 is still a long way out though.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

12. Agreed.

[nikibatts]

36. Disagree completely. Breitbart has not turned its attention to Bernie, nor has Wikileaks.

It would be disastrous!

Bernie and his gang were used as much as any tool in the arsenal of the alt-right.

[melman]

39. What nonsense

'Bernie and his gang'

[FDRsGhost]

51. lol Because Bernie has sooo much baggage. NOT.

[delisen]

60. Baggage ---I haven't heard that lately. Candidates are not entitled to baggage

which may be to be a synonym for experience. Are they allowed carry-ons?

[lapucelle]

82. Kurt Eichenwald saw the Republican oppo research on Sanders,

and said it was brutal.

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

[FDRsGhost]

95. Ya that "mythical" research is a famous talking point

which was never produced and nobody outside Kurt has ever said. Bernie hardly has any baggage & it contributes to his popularity and high numbers.

It was never produced and no specifics were given about what exactly. How odd

[lapucelle]

100. It wasn't odd, it was strategic.

The Republicans had no interest in damaging Sanders during the primaries. Their goal was to soften up Clinton and divide Democrats. If Sanders won, they had a sledge hammer to hit him with. If Hillary won, they could continue to stoke the fires of division that they had so carefully laid during the run-up to the general.

This tactic is textbook Roger Stone. It's not lost on those of us who have witnessed Mr. Stone's handiwork for decades that his filthy, sticky fingerprints were all over the Trump campaign, despite his initial denials. His strategy was brilliant, and it worked.

Al Giordano has promised to primary Sanders in 2018 for his Senate seat. If he does, he has little chance of winning, but he will not be shy about going negative. I guess we'll see soon enough.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/03/roger-stone-trump-timeline

[FDRsGhost]

104. Again, not much dirt on Bernie.

Compared to most politicians these days, Bernie is clean

[HopeAgain]

102. What a great way to trash somebody

With nothing to back it up. You have something, then cough up the evidence. Otherwise you sound like...

"Lots of people are saying, I don't know, but people say..."

[lapucelle]

113. I linked to a respected liberal-leaning investigative journalist

who writes for a reliable mainstream news source. That's what is known as evidence. The fact that you found it necessary to edit out your original insult is evidence as well.

Sorry that I was not quicker to comply with your demand that I "cough something up". Hopefully this will suffice.

[radius777]

143. you're exactly correct

the oppo research on Sanders was yuge, but Team Hillary didn't want to use it for fear of dividing the party.

Sanders has a very alt-left/far-left (and somewhat strange otherwise) past.

IMO, she should've taken him on harder idelogically, as most of his ideas are simply tax and spend Euro-socialism that doesn't work and leads to economic stagnation. Her center-left ideas were/are far more pragmatic and well thought out. She's a true Democrat, as most Dem presidents throughout history (including FDR) were on-balance center-left.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

120. "His gang"?!

[NurseJackie]

121. I doubt it.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

125. As a Democrat? As an Independent?

Given how things turned out last time, I don't think that many Democrats would be keen on a new Democratic candidacy for him (can't he just join the party already since he's supposedly "taking it over&quot . Of course, if he runs as an Independent, he'd probably split the vote between himself and the Democratic candidate and Trump will get another 4 years, so, frankly, it would just be best IMHO if he not run at all. However, whether he runs or what he runs as is completely his choice and it's the choice of the voters to accept/reject his candidacy, so.............

[Me.]

129. Precisely

Not as a Dem that's for sure, once was enough.

[jalan48]

130. Bernie would have to run as a Democrat.

Right now he's one of the most popular politicians and is basically a Democrat in everything but name. Whether or not he chooses to run again as a Democrat or whether the Party allows him to is another question. I believe at this moment he is the most electable politician to the left of the Republicans.

[ecstatic]

5. I'd like someone younger and more quick on his or her feet

Not to mention, less divisive.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

13. No one is quicker on their feet than Bernie... he's clearly better than any prospective candidate.

[ecstatic]

35. We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.

Bernie has done some great things, but there are several examples of incidents where he was too slow to respond and react to new information that contradicted his previous understanding. While that works in certain settings, it's not a good trait for a president to have--especially during a crisis. Unfortunately for us, Trump also has that problem.

[NurseJackie]

122. I see no evidence to support that.

[RelativelyJones]

15. Agreed

[Demsrule86]

7. No one gets a 'turn'. You win a primary.

I would like to see some of our younger Democrats run...like Joseph Kennedy III, Corey Booker, Kamela Harris, Sherrod Brown (would be particularly good for the rust belt),Chris Murphy, Al Franken and how about Michelle Obama?

[Baconator]

14. I think we'll see John Hickenlooper

... As his governor term ends.

[Demsrule86]

16. I considered him but was worried that not enough people know who he is...he is great.

[Baconator]

21. He's a good example of someone...

... That I don't agree with on every issue but would still vote for.

He has a type of sincerity that was absolutely lacking in the last election.

After him, I'd look to Booker but he is a little to Jesus crazy for my taste.

[Demsrule86]

27. I will not discuss the last election...however, I like him.

And you will never agree completely with any candidate...I voted twice for President Obama knowing that I did not agree with him on trade...was never sorry.

[FDRsGhost]

52. Please not my Governor

He would get eaten alive. I love him but his stances on fracking here are NOT well liked. He'd make a wonderful VP choice however.

[renate]

57. I heard him on "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me" last week

He seems very appealing. I don't know the first thing about his politics, although I assume they're mostly good, but he was very personable, and that matters. I think the fact that he used to run a brewery could bring some Trump-type voters in because that makes him a regular guy.

[moonscape]

145. That's a great list. I'd love to see Franken or Murphy. Michelle's

interest stands somewhere between less than 0 and not even when hell freezes over.

[Demsrule86]

149. We have may great possibilities

[cwydro]

31. Elizabeth hell yeah.

Bernie. Nope.

[Warpy]

53. I would rather see him pass the baton to a younger progressive

and campaign for him, honestly. The presidency is a tough office and turning it into a gerontocracy is a bad idea. I love Sanders and Warren, but there are younger people with the stamina to run and then get in and do the job for 8 years.

Clinging to the familiar is also a bad ides.

I'll be perfectly happy to vote for someone 30 years my junior if I'm still around in 2020, and I hope the Democrats finally realize that progressivism isn't a disease.

There are so many younger pols out there in the House and Senate who would fit the office nicely that no, we don't need to stick to people in their 70s. In fact, it's crazy to do so.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

73. Why the ageism?!

[Warpy]

74. Are you serious?

Or didn't you bother to read the post?

Forget it. Bye.

[WinkyDink]

98. Now you're just being a creature who lives under bridges.

Thanks for the reveal.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

116. Bernie is as clear thinking, hard working & articulate in splainin his positions...

as any other potential candidate... gimme a break!

Bernie is entitled to run and win regardless of people who would discriminate against him because of his age, which has ZERO effect on his capabilities ... indeed, it's a PLUS in terms of positive experience.

You could try responding respectfully, instead of hurling insults at people. An apology would be nice... not that I expect one. So, do us all a favor and find somewhere else to play. Thank you.

[Fiendish Thingy]

103. Whether or not Bernie runs in 2020, he has a pivotal role to play

In Progressive politics. He fires up and motivates the young voters, and is probably the only progressive currently able to connect with swing/Trump voters, and that will be essential moving forward. If the Dems retake the house or senate in 2018, I'll bet that Sanders will have played a major role.

How about Senate Majority leader Sanders? I think he'd be perfect to lead the impeachment trial...

[Warpy]

111. Definitely, and conservative Bernie haters would do well to remember

that they can't win without the progressive wing of the party any more than we can win without them at this point.

[WinkyDink]

97. "His turn"?? Are you joking with that? NOBODY is OWED a "turn"!

[Orrex]

112. Let us recognize first and foremost that Clinton won and the election was stolen

All proclamations about the "right way" to do it in 2020 must take this truth into consideration.

Beyond that, Sanders will be 79 on election day 2020. Older than any President ever to leave office. That's not being ageist; simply stating a fact.

The GOP and the media will hit this point nonstop during all of primary season and during the general election season. They will portray him as feeble and lacking in vitality, and "alternative" media will run endless stories about his failing health and will imply that he'll die during his first term.

I like almost all of what Sanders has to say (except, well, that stuff about attacking the Democratic party). However, the fact remains that he lost the primary. He lost the primary, and he's certainly not entitled to a "turn" simply because his supporters continue to believe in him and belief he should get one.

[bettyellen]

4. Yes please.

[RelativelyJones]

6. Gillibrand and Warren are my favorites, looking for others. I agree, not Clinton, not Sanders

Either one will spark a lot of bad feelings after the past primary.

[Baconator]

22. Warren is too polarizing I suspect

Best chance is for a left leaning moderate with personality.

[rurallib]

30. how is she polarizing? She is one of the few that embraces

traditional Democratic values?

The only thing I have seen polarizing about Warren is that the right treats her like shit the same way they treat Hillary Clinton.
Should we let the right pick our candidate?

[Baconator]

34. More like we should pick someone with the greatest appeal.

The base is as locked in as they can be so a left leaning moderate can draw from the middle and win.

[rurallib]

38. I haven't picked anyone, but Warren comes across to me

as someone who not only speaks to those who have been screwed over the years, but also as very genuine and empathetic.

The right wing media has already done such a number on her that many people pick up the meme without checking her out. A major part of it is simply sexist.

When I look at those who really seem to embrace what old Democratic values are I see Warren, Franken, O'Malley, Sanders of course. I haven't fully checked out Gillibrand or Kamala Harris (she is pretty new but I liked much of what she did in Cali.)

I believe Warren is in the middle, but just like Clinton the corporate media will do all they can to skewer the public perception.

Whoever it is will not only have to beat the Republicans, but also the Koch brothers and their allies who spent almost as much as the Republicans last go round, the corporate media which gave Trump a couple billion in free publicity and continues to do so (more than republicans spent) and who knows what kind of interference from abroad.

So the Democrat will have a 4 against one fight in 2020. I think we better have a candidate who speaks to workers and small businesses with sincerity and has a track record behind it.

I still don't see Warren as polarizing plus she already has a huge following.

Long ways to 2020. The very best Democrats could do right now is develop a coherent message for this country's workers and underclasses.

[StevieM]

136. Warren wasn't the 1st Lady, which will benefit her. The GOP used HRC's status as a former first lady

to make it seem like she must have all kinds of power. That, in turn, allowed them to pretend that she was somehow abusing it.

I like Warren. I also like Jay Inslee, the governor of Washington.

[rurallib]

153. Inslee is an interesting name to float

I have followed him marginally - would have no problem getting behind him

[kacekwl]

115. Left leaning moderate oh my.....

We're done already.

[alarimer]

33. Not more polarizing than Hillary Clinton, to the general electorate.

I cannot imagine that Elizabeth Warren is more polarizing to the general electorate than Hillary Clinton was, rightly or wrongly. Or that she is more polarizing to Democrats than Sanders is.

She is not that different from Bernie Sanders, really, in terms of rhetoric. In her previous career, economic inequality was her bread and butter. I was always impressed when she was on with Bill Moyers.

[Cha]

87. Hillary got 66 Million Votes More than any other Presidential

candidate in History except President Barack Obama.

But, as RJ rightly stated..

"I agree, not Clinton, not Sanders Either one will spark a lot of bad feelings after the past primary."

[Cha]

86. Either one will spark a lot of bad feelings after the past primary.

That's for DAMN SURE.

[Demsrule86]

19. Nina Turner left the Democratic Party and supported Jill Stein.

I doubt she could even get on a Democratic ballot.

[R B Garr]

23. Calling people contrived names like "neoliberal" is a phony and stupid

thing to do. It just turns people off to have someone label them with contrived monikers designed to make others feel superior. If you want to test that, look how the Bernie Sanders group lost at the grassroots level recently in Los Angeles. They made a candidate out to be "Establishment" simply because he knew people, like the mayor...

Article title: Sanders wing dealt setback in Calif. special election
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/jimmy-gomez-california-june-runoff-236902

When your talking points at that level consist of calling people "establishment" and "neoliberal", it just emphasizes the phoniness of it all. How on God's Green Earth is getting an endorsement from a mayor 'establishment". This whole name calling and labeling looks to be really overplayed. If someone is venturing into politics at the local level, the alternative is to advertise yourself as a nobody, know-nothing who won't get anything done because they don't know how to function in government. When you boil it down to the essence of what being "anti-Establishment" means at that level, you can see how it is rejected for being the phony tripe that it is.

[jackssonjack]

42. Oh yes!

[ucrdem]

10. On other hand look at what Jerry has done for California.

Basically he cleaned up the stinking mess left by Arnold and assorted other GOP rascals like Dukemejian (who beat uber-popular Tom Bradley in the eleventh hour, hmm) and Pete Wilson. Trump is going to leave a huge mess, so Obama II or Clinton 1.5 works for me.

p.s. happy E-day!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I love my governor but I don't want to begin 2020 speculation...

I love my governor but I don't want to begin 2020 speculation other than to speculate on the future.

[MineralMan]

11. I think that will happen almost automatically in 2020.

We're all tired of the same old faces running for President. It is time for the next generation of leadership to take the stage, I think. People in their 40s or 50s who have proven themselves through faithful service to the people should be the ones vying for the White House. I say that, despite having entered my 70s.

I don't think most people want to see the same cast showing up in the upcoming sequel. I don't think that will play in Peoria at all. The voters will decide during the primaries.

[Demsrule86]

18. I agree MM...time for fresh faces and fresh ideas.

Let's move into the 21st century style governance as Democrats fearless and forward thinking.

[delisen]

63. Cart before horse. How about everyone come up with fresh ideas, then pick a

candidate who can implement?

In other words government off, by, and for the people?

[sheshe2]

24. Yes please. nt

[Hortensis]

26. Depends on the face. Needs to match what Hillary

offered us for sure. And if she were to choose to run, unlikely as that might seem,... Well, I'd have to see. I'm still mourning what we should be doing with her in the White House right now.

Genuine MAJOR infrastructure spending, with MAJOR good jobs creation, anyone?

[JHan]

61. I'm looking out for the person who starts talking seriously about automation.

and Universal basic income. It's really catching up to us and we aren't prepared.

[Amaryllis]

28. Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwell

[Warren DeMontague]

29. How about someone NOT a boomer, NOT from the East Coast, and NOT a pot prohibitionist?

Like this guy:

[rurallib]

32. Looks good - who the hell is it?

[Warren DeMontague]

50. Gavin Newsom.

currently the Lt. Governor of California.

[WomenRising2017]

62. No, thanks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/21/gavin-newsom-conservative_n_5595827.html

We don't need a left version of Newt Gingrich.

[Warren DeMontague]

64. Perhaps you should see what the voters of California think. By and large they disagree.

For one, that article is 3 years old.

That's part of the problem- there's 50 million people on the West Coast but the self-appointed "experts" sit in a manhattan/beltway bubble completely friggin' clueless on everything from marijuana legalization to technology.

I'd rather have Gavin Newsom than some East Coast authoritarian like Cuomo-- who sounds like Jeff Sessions when he says we can't legalize weed "because we have a heroin problem" derrrrrp.

[WomenRising2017]

68. Gavin is thinking of running for Governor of California.

I don't believe he has 2020 Presidential aspirations at this moment.

It's still too early to discuss 2020 anyway.

Obviously Martin O'Malley an Andrew Cuomo are two politicians who are positioning themselves for a 2020 run, but it's a long way off and other candidates will emerge as well.

We have a lot of rising stars in the party.

[Warren DeMontague]

75. Maybe too early.

But Newsom and Harris are definitely names to watch. The future moves West to East. Like the Jet Stream.

[WomenRising2017]

77. Kamala Harris is one of the Democratic rising stars.

[Warren DeMontague]

89. She is, and so is Gavin Newsom.

We have a lot of good leaders on the West Coast, who are ahead of the curve on issues that actually resonate once you get west of the Lincoln Tunnel.

[BannonsLiver]

107. Coumo and O'Malley

Well there's two names that electrify the base and terrify the GOP.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

80. No way in hell,

He would just deliver an identical electoral map to the one Hillary Clinton did and I would also rather not spend a year and a half learning everywhere he has ever stuck his dick.

[Warren DeMontague]

88. Meh.

Well we're sure as hell not going to win any elections chasing after 2004's "values voters" and "megachurch moms".

A majority of Americans support cannabis legalization; that's where the voters are- so where are the leaders?

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

92. We also aren't going to win any elections with a "Bro" from San Francisco

I don't think there are enough single-issue Marijuana voters to swing national elections, unscheduling oxycontin though, that would probably win some red states.

Newsom is probably going to come out on top of an utterly uninspiring field of potential Democrat governors. Between him and Villaraigosa (who is just an idiot) I will gladly vote for Newsom. But Newsom has the exact same problem Hillary Clinton did, they represent archetypes that are alien and repulsive to a significant portion of the country.

[Warren DeMontague]

94. People should not get the west and east coast confused, they arent any more interchangeable

Than marijuana and oxycontin are, hurr durr derp.

All i know is, as long as I can remember the beltway conventional wisdom geniuses have been wrong on shit like that. Marijuana prohibition is unpopular for the same reason gun control is- at the end of the day, Americans just dont appreciate being told what to do by the government.

Whether i agree (marijuana) or have my doubts (broadest possible interpretation of the 2A) there is no question that that is where the sentiments of the electorate lie.

And for all the hyuk hyuk stoner jokes, weed did better last Nov. 8 than pretty much anything- or anyone- on the ballot.

As for Newsom, his teeth and hair used to bother me, too.

I grew out if it.

[BannonsLiver]

106. Wow and to think I got a hide for critiquing the boomer generation

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

117. Newsom has some glaring liabilities

One of those liabilities is a "zipper problem".

He will do fine in California, especially if his only serious primary opponent is the worst mayor Los Angeles ever had. But like Hillary Clinton he is not nationally competitive.

[BannonsLiver]

118. They all have liabilities

Have a lovely day.

[BannonsLiver]

108. +1, I hope runs

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. The last time we ran a black guy we won two Electoral College landslides.

[jackssonjack]

47. Touche

[dsc]

49. The three candidates who got the most votes ever cast for President

are Obama 08, Obama 12, and Clinton 16. Just saying.

[delisen]

65. Just endorse Trump. He's a proven winner of sorts and Russia likes him.

[ecstatic]

81. Like who? Can you name a single charismatic white guy waiting in the wings

to run for office? Do you think Bill de Blasio would have a shot?

[lapucelle]

84. No! The only charismatic thing about De Blasio

is that he's a dorky white guy with a cool black family. He's regarded as a buffoon by most New Yorkers. Andrew Cuomo is likely to run, but even Democrats in NY don't trust him.

Vanity Fair does a brutally funny De Blasio diary every month.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2014/11/de-blasio-diaries-chapter-1

[Warren DeMontague]

90. How about we run the person who does the best job leading and inspiring

and not pre-emptively worry about the color of their skin or their genitalia?

[LiberalFighter]

41. Being a fresh face should not be the criteria.

Expertise and competence should be.

[delisen]

58. Fresh face is the new criterion. Only Fresh Faces Need Apply

These posts have become so predictable -its almost a game-I've been getting bored with Sudoku

When does the next missile arrive?

[jackssonjack]

43. Michelle Obama

She's smart, already incredibly popular and young.

[AgadorSparticus]

45. +1,000!!!

[Matthew28]

44. How about Bill nye or Neil DeGrasse Tyson

[moonscape]

146. We're going to need someone very skilled and

knowledgeable about how govt works to repair the damage of these 4 years. And even so, repairing is much harder than destroying, so they'll need two terms to do it.

[Initech]

46. I agree.

We need someone new and scandal free. I'd prefer a Franken / Warren ticket but that's wishful thinking.

[LenaBaby61]

91. "We need someone new and scandal free."

I hear you, but I'm not so sure that would automatically elect a Dem to the presidency. We live in a different time and place now.

Massive scandals, being a crook who doesn't pay or show his taxes, pathologically lying, admitting to pussy-grabbing and not apologizing for it didn't stop tRumputin from winning/being installed into the presidency.

But then again, he did have the GOP's help in voter-depressing/voter disenfranchising/crosschecking/purging the Dem vote in key usually blue states. Plus, he got from the ruskies in God knows how many ways, FakiLeaks helped, ruskie bots,russians in boiler rooms on the Internet putting out fake news and outright lies about Hillary, The FBI and the corporate media, who gave him $2 Billion in free air time. And even with those things helping tRumputin, Hillary STILL won the popular vote and he managed 306 Electoral College Votes. NO landslide by any means.

To be honest, IF we can vote and trust that our votes WILL be counted fairly and properly, Dems need to mobilize people and GET THEM THE HELL OUT TO VOTE. IF PEOPLE (Especially Dems/Disenfranchised) aren't motivated to get out and vote after seeing what this orange, fat, lying piece of human filth "installed" into the White House has done to destabilize our world in just 3 short months, then I don't know what it'll take.

[NWCorona]

48. You know that I'm a strong Bernie supporter but I'd have to agree.

[Ccarmona]

55. Just Get the DNC & DCCC Out of the Way

and let the people make the choices.

[lapucelle]

83. Voters make the choices.

Even Sanders admitted that he ran as a Democrat rather than as an independent because a presidential run requires the organizational resources of a major party. And he did rely on DSCC support during his senate run.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-15/sanders-yes-im-a-democrat-of-convenience

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-regular-luxurious-dscc-fundraising-retreats

[Demsrule86]

124. The people made their choice in 2016.

[delisen]

56. Ah so now up is the Tough Love Argument.

why nt not just let people who want to run do so. If your argument is valid they will lose to some better candidate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. I sent e-mails to Michael Dukakis and Walter Mondale imploring them to run again.

[delisen]

66. I heard an interview with Dukakis last week. He was presenting Fresh Ideas

Plus he's sort of an in-law to Chaffetz. That might help in the investigations.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. The worst idea from a Democrat is better than the best idea from a Republican.

[GoCubsGo]

69. Can we please get through 2018 first before we start worrying about 2020?

Thank the Admins for "Trash This Thread."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. Ay na ang isang mang-insulto?

[mainstreetonce]

70. Joe

Go Joe

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

78. We don't necessarily need a fresh face, we just need somebody competitive in 40+ states

That is obviously neither Clinton or Sanders.

[nycbos]

79. Lets worry about 2018 before speculating about 2020

[Orsino]

85. Just someone we can all get behind.

Yeah, I'd prefer we looked beyond our royalty, but I suppose we'll go with whichever candidate is standing in 2019, and we know where the power is.

[caroldansen]

93. New is not necessarily better.

[WinkyDink]

99. Old is still old, though.

[MoonRiver]

96. Yes, please. eom

[smirkymonkey]

105. My dream ticket: Seth Moulton (D-MA) and Kirsten Gillebrand (D-NY)

Although I am not sure that two north-easterners would be such a good idea strategically, although I would prefer it personally.

[Demsrule86]

110. Sherrod Brown...he is great and unites the party.

[ZX86]

114. Bernie is the most popular politician in the nation.

The choice is clear. Do we want to win or not?

[Demsrule86]

126. I still don't believe he would win. His best shot was in 2016.

[ZX86]

133. I repeat. Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the nation.

Polls showed him beating Trump during the primaries. Polls show him much more popular now. What metric are you using?

[Demsrule86]

147. Those polls are meaningless...

There is no way of knowing. I have no doubt the GOP had stuff on him.Why else would they want him to win? He did not win a primary last time and I think he would be less likely this time...given the bitter feeling of many Democrats.

[Baclava]

128. What grassroots counties will Bernie win in the South? He didn't even campaign there!

[ZX86]

134. Every one of them!

He'll win every one of those counties! You know why? Because Democrats with a clear and convincing message will always win!

[Baclava]

137. I bet you lead a pure life n/t

[ZX86]

138. Yes we can!

Winning begins with a winning attitude. Personally, I'm for winning!

[Baclava]

140. Sanders-Perez in 2020?

Is that what you're saying?

[ZX86]

141. Sanders at the top of any ticket.

He is the most popular politician in the nation. Bar none. I want to win!

[Baclava]

142. OK - just checking n/t

[PotatoChip]

119. I would love to see Tulsi Gabbard run someday. (nt)

[Odoreida]

123. I don't know if he qualifies as a "fresh face" but ...

Andrew Cuomo.

[hrmjustin]

127. I don't want to see Hillary or Bernie run again.

[ZX86]

144. If Bernie ran again and won.

I can see where that could be awkward for some folks. But Medicare for All and a $15 minimum wage will go a long way to smooth over those ruffled feathers.

[hrmjustin]

148. I think the both of them had their day and we need new blood.

[OldSchoolLiberal]

131. Don't worry

I think all of them will be too old to run in 2020

[Yorkist]

135. If things.....

.....have come to a point where a tv persona candidate and an X factor campaign is what floats the voters boats then it may be wise to find the best actor for the job.

George Clooney, for example, would wipe the floor with anything the Republicans could conceivably put up against him.

[NewJeffCT]

150. Whoever is the nominee needs to have charisma

Right or wrong, the candidate considered to be more charismatic has won every time in the modern era (Reagan through to Trump)

OK, in 1988, neither Bush nor Dukakis were charismatic, but Dukakis took blandness to epic levels.

I love Elizabeth Warren. She has a lot of charisma to me, but does she have the charisma to appeal to voters like Obama and Bill Clinton? She has the same issue as Sanders, though, in that she'll be old in 2020.

I've heard Kamala Harris is an excellent speaker, but I have not taken the time to go out & listen to her speak at length.

I like Kirsten Gillibrand as well, but don't know about her charisma, either.

Julian Castro is a very good speaker, as is Corey Booker. The "Fake News" crowd has already attacked Booker, so they consider him a threat in 2020.

[athena]

155. No woman is ever going to be charismatic enough.

Charisma, in our society, is intrinsically male. There is no way a female politician could be charismatic like Barack Obama or Bill Clinton and not be ripped to shreds by the media and the opposition.

Americans' need for charismatic leaders is one of the reasons why I don't believe I will see a woman president in my lifetime. We are a long ways from equality.

[NewJeffCT]

156. I agree that it's more associated with men

but, I know a lot of people think Michelle Obama is charismatic and a great speaker. I've heard that Kamala Harris is also a charismatic speaker.

But, it's a lot more difficult as a woman - speak too loud and you're shrill or angry, but too soft and you're weak and not ready to be commander in chief...

While I like Hillary Clinton and think she would have been a very good president, she is not as charismatic as Michelle or Barack Obama or her husband. Bill Clinton. But, not many people are that good, male or female.

[riversedge]

151. In case you missed it, Hillary said 2016 was her last campaign. She will have

a voice though, for which I am glad. I do not want to see posts that try to draft her or others that you mention either.

[tonyt53]

152. It won't be someone that has ran for prez before. It will be somebody 45-50 years old.

There are some bright stars within the Democratic Party. To win, it will take someone that is a moderate. A moderate running is the only way to bring back the demographic group that cost HRC the election - the 45-65 y/o white middle class voter that isn't a racist. The Democratic Party ignored that group of voters last fall. That group also didn't care for Sanders, so he would have done worse with them than HRC did. This group instead voted for somebody (as foolish as it was for them) that actually spoke about their wants - good jobs and healthcare.

This stings to those that want the party to move more to the left, but the fact is, by being moderate and letting the RNC move further to the right, the Democratic Party becomes more inclusive.

A younger person with some type of state government experience, that is also a moderate is the winning ticket.

[Blue_Tires]

154. Can we worry about goddamned 2018 FIRST?