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Rock on, Louise!
Sources with links to the intelligence community say it is believed that Carter Page went to Moscow in early July carrying with him a pre-recorded tape of Donald Trump offering to change American policy if he were to be elected, to make it more favorable to Putin. In exchange, Page was authorized directly by Trump to request the help of the Russian government in hacking the election.
A separate source with links to the intelligence community reported to me several months ago that Boris Epshteyn, alone of the four men named in the first FISA application, is an actual FSB agent, and, the source said, is the son of two other sleeper agents. Paul Manafort is registering as an agent of a foreign power; Carter Page has admitted, from public reporting, to have met with Russian intelligence agents.
It may therefore be surmised that Page, Manafort and Epshteyn, in this conversation wherein they discussed taking the Trump tape to Moscow, were all acting in concert as agents of the Russian state first and foremost, and Trump staffers second. Because the provision of such a tape to Putin would clearly be the ultimate in kompromat on a future American President (far worse than any sexual blackmail tape).
Page had always seemed weirdly confident about his relationship with Trump. He had the tape of Mr. Trump offering to change policy. Sources say that this tape was played in meetings with Russian intelligence officers in Moscow,
I will produce a short timeline of the Trump-Russia story on this blog tomorrow. For now, the point is that intelligence sources say that Page, Manafort and Epshteyn, possibly also with Trump, are on tape discussing how Page should carry a recording of Donald Trump to Moscow, offering his bona fides in exchange for Russias help hacking the election; and that the said tape of Trump was played by Page to Russian intelligence, possibly including Mr. Diveykin, the Russian official in charge of hacking the election; and that multiple foreign intelligence services, among them the UK, Germany and Ukraine, have a tape of this; and that finally, in October, the FBI was able to listen to that tape.and that several Western intelligence sources have recordings of the meetings and the tape which they supplied to US intelligence.
Doodley
(8,976 posts)Do you think Republicans will impeach their perfect idiot?
Until he's impeached, he's pretty much untouchable.
Doodley
(8,976 posts)He will become poison to Republicans who want to be reelected. He will be dead meat.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Doodley
(8,976 posts)brush
(53,467 posts)If it's true he is officially the stupidest man on earth.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)astoundingly ignorant in many ways
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)calimary
(80,693 posts)Sorry to say that, but it's TRUE. OR they're racists. OR both - STUPID racists.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 18, 2017, 07:31 AM - Edit history (1)
malaise
(267,791 posts)he prefers couriers
Bettie
(15,995 posts)slightly hopeful, but mindful that these types always find a way to weasel out.
Doodley
(8,976 posts)sagetea
(1,363 posts)I don't like saying 'hate', but, I really do hate this orange thing in our house. Every morning I wake up and hope for something that today is the day that he goes down. Even hoping that "Biff" would do something kind....but nothing, he is cruel, hell beyond cruel. All of them are cruel.
My mantra, I hope, I hope, I hope...then action.
A'Ho,
sage
Doodley
(8,976 posts)FakeNoose
(32,328 posts)...I guess that means he doesn't have it?
Or maybe if he was smart, he made a copy first?
I'll start sharpening the guillotine just in case.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)If there is a tape, and it gets released, it's almost impossible to underestimate the magnitude of the story.
Honestly, the news revelations that would rank with it are:
- Kennedy's assassination
- Nuclear bombs used in Japan
That's all I got. Nixon doesn't compare. Reagan got shot but survived. Iran-contra would be up there if Reagan had ever been convicted. Challenger explosion was a shock but didn't threaten the basis of American democracy. OJ's Bronco was important for the race relations story but not of this size. Falklands, Greenpeace bombing, My Lai, all small potatoes.
Actually, I'll add: 1968 race riots, as much for their lasting impact on America as for their news value in the moment.
Doodley
(8,976 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)If true they will be dragged from the Whitehouse and well, then who knows?
Doodley
(8,976 posts)duncang
(1,907 posts)To get rid of idiot boy and move pence in one shot. Repub's would consider that a win win. Ryan, rubio, cruz, McCain, and the list goes on. They would be rushing to the WH to help get him packed and out of there.
Doodley
(8,976 posts)askyagerz
(776 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It simply can't. Republicans Shmepublicans. They will impeach him or tell him he's gotta resign.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)Americans won't stand for a traitor president.
kacekwl
(6,993 posts)dem4decades
(11,241 posts)Doodley
(8,976 posts)nini
(16,670 posts)But this group has proven time and again they ain't as smart as they are corrupt.
They'd screw their own mamas over - so why would a whole country not be possible?
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Ghouliani is up to eyeballs in illegal deals with international players, he is going down too.
He was very invilved with Trump/russian deal, and oil deals.
And..he will sing like a canary, has no balls at all.
Yeah, they are that stupid....everything Trump has tried to accomplish is falling apart, because he says and does stupid things 10 times a day and then can't understand why everyone is laughing at him all the time.
womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)sounds like NY state has him, let alone Comey.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)and has cops AND some FBI in his pocket.
We'll see how Comey deals with that.
MontanaMama
(23,238 posts)remarkably quiet lately. I'm hopeful that he's guilty as sin and his attorneys have gagged him.
tsuukiyomi
(20 posts)in the future (if the GOP hasn't destroyed the world by then), this picture is used in childrens' e-textbooks (or some other manner of futuristic learning technology) as they detachedly discuss 2016-2020 with the same attitude that children today discuss the political fuck-ups of old.
I can only assume you're joking. It's amateur hour in the WH. These guys are totally ignorant, stupid and beyond arrogant. Have you seen any of Page's interviews?
In summation, they ARE that stupid.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Bettie
(15,995 posts)but arrogant enough to think that what they do doesn't matter.
Nothing the orange creature has ever done has stuck to him. He truly believes he's above the law and, frankly, he's never had to deal with evidence to the contrary.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Josh Marshall speculates Trump was like Whitey Bulger -- protected by the FBI as an informant while he committed crimes.
Last para in this story: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/piecing-together-more-details-on-trump-and-russia
Perhaps Trump believed he was above the law because the FBI had protected him.
DeminPennswoods
(15,246 posts)TPM has been digging into Felix Sater, a business associate of Trump's. Sater went to jail and later became an FBI informant for many years. Marshall cites the gov't going to great lengths to protect Sater, thus the comparison to Whitey Bulger, and has been trying to figure out why. He thinks the FBI knows a lot about Trump's business dealings with Russia/Putin/oligarchs, but hasn't/hadn't done anything with the info because Trump was mostly irrelevent until he won the Nov election.
certainot
(9,090 posts)the other's only have to be stupid enough to think they weren't being surveilled or that they might get away with it and allying with such a vainglorious bozo.
and it's possible some of them worked for 'our side'. the idea that all those shits were just private business people is nutty.
womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)He said every European country is intercepting all these Russian guys and Trump's buddies were so dumb to think that if they called a Russian contact from Germany or Estonia no one would intercept their call. In fact, it was recently reported, that Germany has years and years of intercepts of Manifort conversations. Rachel said last week, it's become a competition between the intel communities about who is the best on Trump/Russian intercepts.
certainot
(9,090 posts)capable of all sorts of dumb
maybe good with numbers and partying. a mob.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Intelligence committee said so.
lindysalsagal
(20,433 posts)You could follow that with just about anything, from fake moon landings to alien abduction to hemmorroids.
Before I get my undies in a bundle, I'd like to know that someone reliable is willing to be the source and have some evidence.
This message board loses credibility when we're willing to post anything from anywhere.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)That's why it's a message board and not the New York Times. There is a little more chill here, a little more speculation, a little more adventure - a little more fun.
Doodley
(8,976 posts)mopinko
(69,803 posts)posted here, and dissected.
bunk sinks. bunk gets fact checked.
this gives the members the tools they need to knock down the bunk irl.
and often by people w real expertise. lawyer, historians, local observers.
and truth is amplified, even if it seems far fetched.
Doodley
(8,976 posts)Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)"Sources with links to the intelligence community say it is believed that"
There actually have been posts here about alien invasions, government mind control, and chemtrails with more credibility.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)She has a name, and a history. Unlike the twitterbots.
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)Louise Mensch: the former British MP who scooped US media on Trump's Russian ties - the Guardian
However, it seems increasingly clear that Mensch landed an extraordinary scoop that had eluded the best investigative journalists in the US. Her explanation is that her vocal advocacy on behalf of UK and US intelligence agencies since former NSA contractor Edward Snowdens revelations about mass surveillance led her sources to trust her.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/17/louise-mensch-trump-russia-ties-media-scoop
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)YMMV.
womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/20/1635812/-Louise-Mensch-is-not-a-Nutter-and-she-may-be-the-reason-why-we-are-Democrats-and-love-Metallica
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)If we only posted stories with named sources, we wouldn't be reading many important stories. For example, Watergate was sourced by Deep Throat.
Mensch has gotten enough "scoops" right that I don't think we should automatically discount her reports. She was, for example, the first to correctly report on the FISA warrant on the Alpha Bank server. And she scooped the NYTimes by 3 days when she named the WH link involved in Nunes little charade.
lindysalsagal
(20,433 posts)even if the source is not named. That's the point: The times and Post have decades of editors that have asked us to trust that THEY know the source is reliable. In this post, I don't see anything like that.
Hey- I'd LOVE to be proven wrong on this, I just think it deserves a healthy skeptical reaction at this point.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)elsewhere, as other stories of hers have been. In fact she beat every other media source on the story about the FISA warrant on the alfa bank story in November, and also on the WH link for Nunes little charade.
I disagree that posting her story is equivalent to posting "anything from anywhere."
womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)✨? @olgaNYC1211
Same source has told me they have received audio of Trump directly involved with arranging financial arrangements with 🇷🇺..
#Trumpleaks
plus: Alexandra is reposting this and Alexandra Chalupa worked for Clinton.
Alexandra Chalupa? @AlexandraChalup 2h2 hours ago
Carter Page Went to Moscow With a Tape of Donald Trump Offering Treason For Hacking https://patribotics.blog/2017/04/16/carter-page-went-to-moscow-with-a-tape-of-donald-trump-offering-treason-for-hacking/ via @patribotics
My sources are able to corroborate that the BND (German Intelligence) handed over electronic intercepts confirming quid pro quo (1)
Russia expert: Putin has something on Trump and will use it on him now that he is no good to him http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/russian-expert-putin-has-something-on-trump-and-will-use-it-on-him-now-that-he-is-no-good-to-him/#.WPQCIDoR4RI.twitter
brush
(53,467 posts)it's true TRUMP IS THE STUPIDEST MAN ON EARTH TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON TAPE.
We'll see.
This is DU not the NYT or WAPO.
We read, watch and see how things play out.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)We all saw that chocolate cake video!
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Just sounds too good to be true and in this era of fake news, even the best reporters can get mislead since there is so little regard for the truth these days by so many.
womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)There are many independent reporters out there who seem to be way ahead of "reliable news."
Pathwalker
(6,596 posts)to post anything from anywhere." I think you may have hit on the very point/motive of these posts.
Week1: Flynn has flipped on Trump
Week 2: Trump considering resignation
Week 3: Carter Page has a damning tape.
All of these stories have appeared as Friday news dumps. Coincidence is no longer an option.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,410 posts)Sculpin Beauregard
(1,046 posts)most egregious corruption in US history, one cannot be blamed for seeking info elsewhere. Louise Mensch has not been wrong yet.
This British lady is more of a US patriot than most on CNN etc. That is the truth.
revmclaren
(2,488 posts)Must have hit a nerve.
Rock on!!!
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Doodley
(8,976 posts)womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,433 posts)Stallion
(6,473 posts)Show me 'da Video
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)sound all too believable.
It could be crap, or totally true.
We will have to see.
Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #15)
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womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)She has been pretty right on.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)In the past she's made some wild claims, and she gets labeled as a dreaded "conspiracy theorist" a lot. But as far as I can tell, she hasn't been proven wrong on any of the Trump-Russia stuff.
Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)...why a billionaire would give a prerecorded tape, admitting a crime, to Carter Page?
Doodley
(8,976 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)...he must not be a very good judge of character, either.
wishstar
(5,267 posts)So seems to me that all they had to do was record a speech where he covered all relevant points to satisfaction of Trump's pro-Putin advisors and then tape of his speech could have been used as evidence of his intentions.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)In exchange for help with "the cyber".
The great deal-maker seems not so good at the deal-making.
triron
(21,914 posts)Sent link to Rachel
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)Presumably on getting elected as what else would they be working on? He had been getting fake pension payments. He was communicating through a server in Trump Tower. Why would Trump send a tape? Because he wanted to make it easier to blackmail him?
Rollo
(2,559 posts)1) Deny it ever happened
2) Say it's not him
3) Say he was just joking
4) Blame it on Obama
5) Say it's fake news
6) Say it was really Hillary's voice on the tape
7) Bomb North Korea
8) Bomb the Russians
Doodley
(8,976 posts)cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)Dont get me wrong, it wouldnt surprise me if it actually happened but without anything to back it up its just another rumor.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)At this point all anyone has from inside the investigation is leaks. Even WaPo and NYT only have leaks.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)have any way to verify this story unless of course we are the leaker or we are someone who is literally inside and already know if the story is true or not.
For sure.
womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)Appearing on AM Joy an expert on Russian policy said that Russian President Vladimir Putin gambled on an erratic Donald Trump becoming president and will soon turn on him because hes is no longer useful.
According to Nina Khrushcheva, who teaches at the New School and is the director of the Russia Project at the World Policy Institute, the relationship between Putin and President Trump hasnt so much deteriorated as much as Putin is pragmatically moving on.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/russian-expert-putin-has-something-on-trump-and-will-use-it-on-him-now-that-he-is-no-good-to-him/#.WPQCIDoR4RI.twitter
DeminPennswoods
(15,246 posts)Corn was on one of the cable shows and made a similar point - now that Trump is proving less useful than Putin thought, would Russia start releasing whatever damaging info they have on him to discredit him and his administration?
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)It's one thing for Russia to want to destabilize the US and make them weaker, but it would be quite another to publicly reveal Russia had interfered in the election. The reaction would likely be a huge groundswell of anti-Russia feeling in the US, and the rise to prominence of US politicians who were virulently anti-Russia. The people would want revenge, and its hard to see how that would benefit Russia's position in any way.
I'd be deeply surprised if Russia ever admitted what they've been doing.
Calista241
(5,584 posts)Can they bank on him being more pro-Russian and less competent than Trump?
AJT
(5,240 posts)and "breaking news" and so far nothing has come of it.
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)Patribotics blog?
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)It's a very active blog. She obviously believes she's giving us real information. And she's on our side.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Does it really make sense that well placed sources would pick her as a source and not Robert Costa or any of the other dozens of professional reporters?
When they start to confirm then we should give it credibility.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)evidence that solidly supports it you can bet they will have buried it deep.
awesomerwb
(139 posts)Cassette, mini cassette, vhs, beta, 8 track....
SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)so it will play.
VOX
(22,976 posts)And sometimes, due to length, a song would just cut off. Ah, the miracle of 8 track.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)more wishful thinking and conspiracy theories from a website called "patribotics."
And what the heck is saying in the first paragraph that Trump is on the tape and in the last paragraph saying "possibly also with Trump."
NRaleighLiberal
(59,940 posts)flamingdem
(39,303 posts)Really... couldn't you have found a better way.
That said, can't wait to see it!!
radical noodle
(7,990 posts)but it's hard to imagine even trump is stupid enough to put something like that on tape.
shraby
(21,946 posts)messages rather than telephone.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)the message delivered was exactly what he wanted to convey.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)radical noodle
(7,990 posts)and we know he doesn't use email. As I said, I hope this is true and the tape can be found but I am skeptical.
womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)while talking about bombing Iraq or wherever?
radical noodle
(7,990 posts)The cake thing wasn't stupidity, it was a manipulative deflection.
womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)radical noodle
(7,990 posts)But it's also a great ad for his resort and closely follows a report that the kitchen there had been found to be violating health standards (which I feel sure he'll try to undo). Everything trump is the best according to him.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)I think Mensch has been good on some things. In fact I posted her article from yesterday here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028937133
The key new allegation there was that Russia had hacked the DNC voter database. That seems plausible to me; Russia hacked DNC emails, it's not a far step to the database, and yet the database is such a huge step forward in illegality and election manipulation that it could be enough to bring down this administration.
But why would DJT ever record a tape? Even a dullard would know it's certain jail if it ever gets out, and of course it would get out, because Carter Page is a moron and Russia would use it for blackmail.
I am a bit paranoid about Russia's propaganda. It wouldn't be at odds with their history to use someone like Mensch to leak a lot of bad stuff before using her to leak something totally wrong.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)I just checked twitter and the likely-Russian half-face-picture trolls are attacking her like crazy.
Which suggests she might be right.
wishstar
(5,267 posts)For weeks now, unofficial fake accounts in her name have been set up with nutty tweets to confuse people, thinking those tweets are hers when they are fake and not from her official account. The fake accounts are elaborate time consuming attempts to distract and discredit her.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)And that by early summer of 2016, he was an FBI informant who had been wired.
How does that jibe with this report? Was Page surreptitiously acting as an agent for the USA when he carried this tape to the Russians? Might it be that, not only are foreign intelligence agencies aware of this tape, but the FBI had the inside track?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)At which point he could be wearing a wire for the FBI , and that is how Nunes would have been compromised, as part of the transition.
womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)Claude Taylor? @TrueFactsStated 4h4 hours ago
My sources are able to corroborate that the BND (German Intelligence) handed over electronic intercepts confirming quid pro quo (1)
womanofthehills
(8,579 posts) Claude Taylor? @TrueFactsStated
Claude Taylor Retweeted William Butler
Markel knows. Trudeau knows. Theresa May knows. Everybody. Knows.
Softail1
(56 posts)...c'mon...I mean it doesn't even sound plausible...pre-recorded. self indictment, delivered on a silver platter...sorry, I'll be waiting to see hard evidence before I do any happy dances..
NoMoreRepugs
(9,257 posts)These asshats, based upon what we know they have said and done are not rocket scientists. That a recording was made of a conversation is not too far fetched when u are talking about scoundrels always looking to cover their own behinds. Perhaps it wasnt authorized or orchestrated by the the Orange Douche but done nonetheless. I for one hope it's true.
Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)"My sources are able to corroborate that the BND (German Intelligence) handed over electronic intercepts confirming quid pro quo (1) arrangement between Trump campaign officials and the Russian government. (2) "
If this is true and his tweet from yesterday, Comey will be issuing a "blizzard of indictments" very soon.
During Watergate, my college roommate and I would get doughnuts and chocolate milk every morning then sit down to watch the hearings. It may be time to head to the market and stock up.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)And may they all die in prison.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)unfortunately the warmongers supporting Trump at this point have a lot of power as well.
sellitman
(11,596 posts)Not for a second. Enough of this false hope. Until I hear The GOP yell Impeach The Bastard I'm holding back on believing stories like this.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)well as his arrest and conviction not to mention everyone that had a hand in carrying it out or knew about it but didnt report it (Hi Mitch) is in prison I am going to err on the side of caution and assume its only another rumor.
Doodley
(8,976 posts)Satch59
(1,353 posts)She has been correct on a bunch of stuff and the leaking of the FISA warrant on Page, Manafort registering as a foreign agent, the info on the Europe allies giving our IC their info...all these pieces seem to be leading up to something? I also keep thinking about Harry Reed back in Oct (?) saying that what he knew about Trump/Russia was explosive and those classified meetings with committee members who came out looking shell shocked...there has to be something to all this...
Seems Comey needs to spill it if this story gets more corraboration... Louise seems to have faith in Comey and says he is being very methodical...
Louise is also saying Trump is done by summer...bold prediction.
Crash2Parties
(6,017 posts)They don't exactly seem to think Trump is doing all that poorly. Which tells me either they control him when he's not looking out for Trump corporations or Putin's interests, or they are complicit in working with Putin. It just seems like if they were on the up & up, their needs and his would be in opposition more often.
Snarkoleptic
(5,995 posts)Or Mike Flynn, for that matter.
mcar
(42,206 posts)triron
(21,914 posts)doc03
(35,143 posts)about Democrats. An anonymous source telling another anonymous source this crap. When I see Trump paraded out
of the WH in chains I will believe it. What is this place turning into our version of Newsmax?
kentuck
(110,950 posts)We are dealing with very slick manipulators. They are not beyond creating a situation that they can easily disprove, in order to attempt to cast in doubt all the questions about Mr Trump's team.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Progressive dog
(6,861 posts)offering to make common cause with Putin against the US. The idea seems farfetched, but Nixon did knowingly tape his own criminal discussions and Nixon was much smarter than Trump.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)is much worse. Think back to the look on those faces when the Intel Committee came out of that major meeting where they were told of something so horrendous, they were visibly shaken and furious. Of course, part of that was due to the fact that what they heard was highly confidential and they couldn't express their true feelings or back them up with facts.
What they heard had to have been bigger and nastier than we could imagine. A self-incriminating tape would be bad enough, but it would not have brought that reaction. Actually, I'm very surprised whatever they were told hasn't leaked by now. I realize Congresscritters are accustomed to keeping secrets, but throw in pillow talk, discussions among other Congresscritters and office staff, how has it remained secret this long?
I can't imagine anyone wants this crew taken down any more than me and I hope the above is enough to get the ball rolling, but there has to be more yet to surface and I would expect some strange deaths will be included. Just look at what Russia has already done that we know of AND suspect.
Mad-in-Mo
(229 posts)Jiminy crickets I hope this is true!
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,773 posts)When it is proven that the election was stolen, the rightful President is the Majority winner Hillary Clinton.
If tRump resigns before the case is proven, Pence takes over, but his ticket and the Republican Electoral College win would by rights be erased and Hillary Clinton inaugurated when the case is proven.
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)know something I don't?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,773 posts)Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)when the constitution was written! Only paper ballots. So no contingency. Not even any for stolen elections. So it is really hard to predict what will happen. Especially with Rs in control of SCOTUS and congress; all the oversight institutions and entities that would normally decide in such times are part of the collusion. Then we have the FAUX crowd in their alternative universe.
One can only hope, as I believe you have pointed out in the past, that there may be unforeseen solutions to an unprecedented problem.
byronius
(7,369 posts)triron
(21,914 posts)triron
(21,914 posts)byronius
(7,369 posts)Trump is the opposite of the character he's portraying -- in reality, he's cowardly, craven, insecure, and full of guilt. Especially if Putin already had the milder 'pee tape' used to ensure Trump's continuing cooperation with the Russian money laundering, Trump might well have been throwing a Hail Mary in the face of certain loss -- 'save me, Vlad, here's a token of my undying devotion' --
It's all submission-sex and zero-boundaries with that guy. As soon as I read the OP it rang like a bell.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)And our own FBI heard it in OCTOBER.
Yet here we still are with "investigations ongoing".
WTF are they waiting for?
Enoki33
(1,584 posts)time consuming investigation that for a while will not be on the front pages, but that it will be back with a vengeance. A look at any of the cursory charts available of those with Russian connections confirms that assessment. They have to get it right IMHO.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Calista241
(5,584 posts)And with someone who hasn't been a close confidant, consigliere type person for his entire life.
Trump is a billionaire and people have been trying to expose, damage, and steal shit from him for decades. The methods described here aren't even plausible for a street level drug dealer.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)that's one of the biggest myths about him. His empire, since the real estate bubble burst, has been propped up by Russian investors and loans. This is one of the main reasons why people want his tax returns released!
rockfordfile
(8,682 posts)Motley13
(3,867 posts)There is nothing he could do that would surprise me & that includes pushing the button & nuking the wrong country.
paulkienitz
(1,295 posts)GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Louise is walking point on this mission. She's in front of those guys by a mile. Ain't nothing wrong with her as a source.
tiptonic
(765 posts)Can we say 'Benedict donald'?