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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:13 PM Apr 2017

Breaking: Voting equipment stolen days before Georgia special election

BREAKING on Channel 2 Action News at 6 -- Voting equipment stolen days before Georgia special election


Equipment stolen days before special election; Sec. of State: 'Unacceptable'
by: Ross Cavitt Updated: Apr 17, 2017 - 7:11 PM

COBB COUNTY, Ga. - Channel 2 Action News has learned that critical voting machines were stolen just days before polls will open for a special election.

State officials are investigating after equipment was taken from a Cobb County precinct manager’s vehicle. According to Secretary of State Brian Kemp, the equipment was stolen on Saturday evening while the vehicle was parked at the Kroger on Canton Road.

Kemp’s office says Cobb County Elections waited two days to tell his office about the theft of the machines.

The four so-called ExpressPoll machines were the computers poll workers used to check-in voters, and check those off who cast ballots.

“It’s very shocking, especially with the climate we have of voter fraud out there,” one Georgia voter told Channel 2’s Ross Cavitt.

Cobb County Elections Director Janine Eveler said the stolen machines cannot be used to fraudulently vote in Tuesday’s election. Eveler said the machines have voter information on them, but that information is “hard to access.”

More: http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/cobb-county/voting-equipment-stolen-days-before-special-election-sec-of-state-unacceptable/513453377
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Breaking: Voting equipment stolen days before Georgia special election (Original Post) MelissaB Apr 2017 OP
Anyone surprised? elleng Apr 2017 #1
With Repugnants involved not much surprises me these days. nt cstanleytech Apr 2017 #24
Fine - Delay the election, print paper ballots and get eyeballs to count them eleny Apr 2017 #2
THIS! lastlib Apr 2017 #44
Yep. No brainer. slumcamper Apr 2017 #46
This kind of shit reinforces the need for true vote counts. panader0 Apr 2017 #3
It isn't hard at all to guarantee a real count but that is not their goal. R goal is always to Amaryllis Apr 2017 #22
'Rigging' starts with an 'R'.......!! lastlib Apr 2017 #45
Third FUCKING World! Chasstev365 Apr 2017 #4
Yes, it is! MelissaB Apr 2017 #18
Extremely hard to access the voter info..... MedusaX Apr 2017 #5
Ok ananda Apr 2017 #6
Then waited two days to report the theft Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #9
Waits two days to let officials know Achilleaze Apr 2017 #11
This is not unusual. OldRedneck Apr 2017 #31
Agree DeminPennswoods Apr 2017 #50
Yeah he probably knows where the machines are too FakeNoose Apr 2017 #33
"Waited two days..." Nevernose Apr 2017 #7
That just doesn't even make sense Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #8
Making sense is completely unrelated to R behavior, unless you look at it from the point of . Amaryllis Apr 2017 #19
WTF??? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #10
Georgia Resistance: Time to ROAR Mr. Ected Apr 2017 #12
No Worries! I'm sure the Democrats are working on a strongly worded letter. Chasstev365 Apr 2017 #21
It's election fraud, not voter fraud. When voter rolls are being messed with, it's sinkingfeeling Apr 2017 #13
Thank you. Voter fraud, as you clearly understand, is a myth invented by Rs to use as a reason to Amaryllis Apr 2017 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #14
i can see many reasons why someone would want to steal these machines drray23 Apr 2017 #15
Psst! Wanna buy some voting machines? They're like new! Hardly been used! struggle4progress Apr 2017 #16
I saw this posted by Louise Mensch first on twitter. MelissaB Apr 2017 #17
Holy Crap!! nt wiggs Apr 2017 #23
Sounds as thought these are NOT "voting machines" OldRedneck Apr 2017 #25
Can they be used to delete registered voter names? So the votes won't be counted? Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #35
I very highly doubt that dsc Apr 2017 #49
"Checks off the voter as having voted" lostnfound Apr 2017 #55
That's what I was wondering. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #58
Correct NOT voting machines. Cattledog Apr 2017 #38
After reading the article I agree. herding cats Apr 2017 #53
Oh yes, it's "VERY SHOCKING." Bull shit. It is now 100% evident that THIS is the only C Moon Apr 2017 #26
Not voter fraud----ELECTION fraud!!! Call it like it is. Doitnow Apr 2017 #27
Really? tazkcmo Apr 2017 #28
Democrats need to raise zentrum Apr 2017 #29
Voting machines unattended in a car at a mall. And we are supposed to believe they were stolen? L. Coyote Apr 2017 #30
These weren't voting machines. Cattledog Apr 2017 #37
Semantics. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #40
No, these are significantly different mythology Apr 2017 #43
Two words: volstork Apr 2017 #32
You are correct. brer cat Apr 2017 #36
GA is using old Diebold machines with NO paper trail. LenaBaby61 Apr 2017 #54
What the hell was he doing at Kroger w/machines that had voter info on them? Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #34
Unacceptable? This is terrifying!!! Initech Apr 2017 #39
Now how're they going to connect to crosscheck??? Crash2Parties Apr 2017 #41
everyone read post 25... Takket Apr 2017 #42
Thinking out loud here... jmowreader Apr 2017 #47
Bingo. nt Ilsa Apr 2017 #51
Isn't It Always Something.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #48
Poll workers tend to know the voters in their precincts DeminPennswoods Apr 2017 #52
There will be new voters coming out this time. nt ecstatic Apr 2017 #56
That's true DeminPennswoods Apr 2017 #57

slumcamper

(1,604 posts)
46. Yep. No brainer.
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:26 PM
Apr 2017

Should be a "Plan B" fair election law: when the process or mechanism is compromised, auto-resort to paper ballots.

Of course Repugs would resist such an initiative. But where in power, Democrats need to pass such laws.


panader0

(25,816 posts)
3. This kind of shit reinforces the need for true vote counts.
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:18 PM
Apr 2017

Until the fraud is gone who will know the truth?
It doesn't seem like it would be so hard to guarantee a real count.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
22. It isn't hard at all to guarantee a real count but that is not their goal. R goal is always to
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:04 PM
Apr 2017

suppress and sabotage the "real" vote.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
5. Extremely hard to access the voter info.....
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:20 PM
Apr 2017

Especially if the machines are missing...
It will be extremely difficult to access the info. necessary to check in voters & keep track of who has cast ballots....

Sounds like a new innovative form of Voter Suppression......

ananda

(28,836 posts)
6. Ok
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:20 PM
Apr 2017

An elections official with voting machines in his vehicle,
unsecured, parks and leaves them at a Kroger???

Again... words fail.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
31. This is not unusual.
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:25 PM
Apr 2017

I'm on the electoral board of a small, rural Virginia county. We have six polling places, 9,000 registered voters. Unlike the big counties with 750,000 registered voters, we do not have a huge staff with lift-gate trucks to haul voting equipment to polling places, set it up, test it, tear it down, return it to storage.

Instead, we three board members (ages 72, 70, and 67) spend two days about a week before the election running logic and accuracy tests on all voting machines after which we seal them and lock them back in the vault.

Our precinct chiefs (average age 67; five of six are female) come to the registrar's office on Monday, pick up ballots, voting machines, laptops with database of registered voters installed, office supplies, etc., etc., etc. A couple of volunteer firefighters help the chiefs haul this stuff out to their cars. The chiefs then take everything home with them. They show up at the polling places at 5:00 AM, haul everything out of their cars, set it up, run the election at their precinct.

At the end of the day, after they verify vote counts, account for ballots, seal the machines, etc., they bring it all back to the registrar's office, usually around 10:00 PM.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
50. Agree
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 11:59 PM
Apr 2017

In Philadelphia, all the election material for a ward was located at a nearby firestation. Everything was boxed up for each individual precinct and lined up numerically. There was an election board official on hand with a check off sheet to be signed as the cognizant election judge picked up the material. Then the judge took his/her box, put in their car and left. I usually brought my stuff into the house to get everything arranged and avoid having to do it an hour before the poll opened. We had poll books of voters printed and cards for each voter to be pulled out when that voter voted.

The voting machines were delivered to the polls the night before election day, tested then sealed by the board of elections.

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
33. Yeah he probably knows where the machines are too
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:30 PM
Apr 2017

They'll be returned after they've be doctored up, good as new.



Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
7. "Waited two days..."
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:22 PM
Apr 2017

"To tell his office?

And WTF were these machines doing in the backseat, at the Kroger's, on a Saturday night? Why was he driving around with these in the first place?

Phoenix61

(16,994 posts)
8. That just doesn't even make sense
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:22 PM
Apr 2017

Why were they in the car, and on Saturday? Taking them home for the weekend? Somebody's got some explaining to do.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
19. Making sense is completely unrelated to R behavior, unless you look at it from the point of .
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:57 PM
Apr 2017

view of how much can they mess up people's votes counting.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
12. Georgia Resistance: Time to ROAR
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:29 PM
Apr 2017

This shit can't fly.

We need to stomp on the brakes NOW.

This is FRAUD. It is BLATANT. It is OBSCENE.

Is this America? Is this freaking America?

sinkingfeeling

(51,438 posts)
13. It's election fraud, not voter fraud. When voter rolls are being messed with, it's
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:30 PM
Apr 2017

the election that might be dubious.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
20. Thank you. Voter fraud, as you clearly understand, is a myth invented by Rs to use as a reason to
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:59 PM
Apr 2017

suppress the vote. So they can commit election fraud.

Response to MelissaB (Original post)

drray23

(7,619 posts)
15. i can see many reasons why someone would want to steal these machines
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:33 PM
Apr 2017

I dont think it was a random event. Once you have these, you can reverse engineer everything in it and study how to attack them. That information is gold for hackers who wish to steal more elections.

struggle4progress

(118,236 posts)
16. Psst! Wanna buy some voting machines? They're like new! Hardly been used!
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:34 PM
Apr 2017

These things are usually hard to get but I made a smart trade. I'll give you a good deal on them cuz I gotta clear out my warehouse to make room for the bridge I just bought. And you look, y'know, like someone who might want to keep a few on hand, just in case

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
25. Sounds as thought these are NOT "voting machines"
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:18 PM
Apr 2017

Sounds as though these were laptop computers loaded with an electronic pollbook. Read this from the article:
"The four so-called ExpressPoll machines were the computers poll workers used to check-in voters, and check those off who cast ballots. "

A voter enters the polling place, comes up to the table and presents ID. The poll worker then enters the voter's name into the laptop (in this case, the ExpressPoll). If the voter is registered, their name appears, poll worker verifies the name on ID matches name on computer, checks off the voter as having voted, sends the voter on to pick up a ballot.

These are NOT machines by which votes are cast or counted.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
35. Can they be used to delete registered voter names? So the votes won't be counted?
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:33 PM
Apr 2017

Or...so they can say 1,000 people tried to "illegally vote!"

dsc

(52,152 posts)
49. I very highly doubt that
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 11:42 PM
Apr 2017

There should be read only files of the data base on those computers and not the data base itself.

Cattledog

(5,911 posts)
38. Correct NOT voting machines.
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:45 PM
Apr 2017

They have been rendered useless...in other words remotely deactivated and can'tcommunicate with any election equipment. But still unnerving..

C Moon

(12,209 posts)
26. Oh yes, it's "VERY SHOCKING." Bull shit. It is now 100% evident that THIS is the only
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:19 PM
Apr 2017

the GOP is able to win. CHEATING AND LYING!!

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
29. Democrats need to raise
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:25 PM
Apr 2017

Last edited Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:55 PM - Edit history (1)

...Holy Hell about this.

Get Jimmy Carter (surrogate, since he's sick) down there to investigate. Invite in the UN election watchers. Make it a national story.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
30. Voting machines unattended in a car at a mall. And we are supposed to believe they were stolen?
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:25 PM
Apr 2017

Sounds more like they were stolen before they got to the car!

WTF are voting machines doing in an election worker's car days before an election?

Cattledog

(5,911 posts)
37. These weren't voting machines.
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:41 PM
Apr 2017

They were laptops used to check voters in and see if they are registered.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
43. No, these are significantly different
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:15 PM
Apr 2017

It's like saying there's difference between my laptop and my microwave. Two completely different things with two completely different functions.

LenaBaby61

(6,973 posts)
54. GA is using old Diebold machines with NO paper trail.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:25 AM
Apr 2017

The same Diebold machines from Ohio used in 2004 when Ken Blackwell was ...

Never mind

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
34. What the hell was he doing at Kroger w/machines that had voter info on them?
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:30 PM
Apr 2017

There needs to be a rule against that in the future. How STUPID!

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
41. Now how're they going to connect to crosscheck???
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:11 PM
Apr 2017

btw, California is huge. We use paper printout voter rolls. Problem free.

jmowreader

(50,530 posts)
47. Thinking out loud here...
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:31 PM
Apr 2017

These are electronic pollbooks. A very quick way of rigging the vote WITHOUT tampering with the election software or any of the databases is to reduce the number of pollbooks available (which will make check-in take longer) in areas expected to lean Democratic, while making sure there are sufficient of them to handle the election-day crowds in areas expected to lean Republican.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
48. Isn't It Always Something....
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:53 PM
Apr 2017

We are losing whatever since of Democracy had, by the day, minute, week and moment.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
52. Poll workers tend to know the voters in their precincts
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:06 AM
Apr 2017

I think sometimes people forget that there are a lot of long time poll workers. It only takes a couple of elections for them to know the voters.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
57. That's true
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:54 PM
Apr 2017

but still, you also see the same names in the poll books every election, so it's not a total surprise when a new or infrequent voter shows up. And also, poll workers generally live in the precinct they serve, so they'll also know voters from just seeing them around the neighborhood.

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