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Did Anyone See Tom Perez With Joy Tonight (Original Post) Me. Apr 2017 OP
When her first question was: moondust Apr 2017 #1
Good. I muted it. elleng Apr 2017 #2
Why would someone not ask that? R B Garr Apr 2017 #15
OK to ask, but she kept harping on it. elleng Apr 2017 #17
"Good. I muted it." nt. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #20
Seems reasonable to me.. Adrahil Apr 2017 #32
it was an opening to ask whether he was going to release his voter list bigtree Apr 2017 #5
I Thought THat She Made A Good Point Me. Apr 2017 #7
I always watch Joy when she is on Chipper Chat Apr 2017 #3
Agree,that interview was Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #13
Joy is so smart she should be the next moderator of Meet the Press Chipper Chat Apr 2017 #14
A tip- no one uses diminutive forms to refer to females anymore. bettyellen Apr 2017 #28
I was just trying to be funny. Chipper Chat Apr 2017 #29
I didn't get it- been so long since I've seen an -ess or -ette. bettyellen Apr 2017 #30
I think the "script" was to use BS to promote divisiveness again.... bettyellen Apr 2017 #31
Don't have a tv.. did you see it, Me? Cha Apr 2017 #4
Aloha Cha Me. Apr 2017 #6
I agree. DURHAM D Apr 2017 #8
So I Didn't Imagine It Me. Apr 2017 #10
Mine too. nt DURHAM D Apr 2017 #12
I think that's a bit harsh.. JHan Apr 2017 #16
+1, I thought he sounded hamstrung because of the BS R B Garr Apr 2017 #18
But Isn't That Something Also Me. Apr 2017 #22
Totally agree. This can't be just a damage control tour R B Garr Apr 2017 #26
And Worrying Me. Apr 2017 #27
Me too about Dean. What a loss. I saw him on what was probably his last R B Garr Apr 2017 #33
One Hand Tied Behind Back Me. Apr 2017 #34
That's too bad.. no one is perfect, though, Cha Apr 2017 #9
I Hope So Cha Me. Apr 2017 #11
Wow, someone should mark this for posterity BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #19
Pretty sure this isn't about Joy, though. R B Garr Apr 2017 #21
Wasn't Criticizing Joy Me. Apr 2017 #23
I think with a lot of people the bloom was never there with Perez BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #24
During the primaries, a lot of Bernie supporters complained about her. ecstatic Apr 2017 #25
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
32. Seems reasonable to me..
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:19 PM
Apr 2017

If Bernie wants to influence the party, he should have some skin in the game.

bigtree

(85,977 posts)
5. it was an opening to ask whether he was going to release his voter list
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:49 PM
Apr 2017

...like Hillary already has.

Joy was emphasizing the importance of organizing voters.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
7. I Thought THat She Made A Good Point
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:58 PM
Apr 2017

and that he avoided it rather than address it. And it annoyed me when asked if they were going to be signing up voters and he said, offhandedly, they weren't there to be carrying around clipboards. And I wondered why not when these rallies are perfect opportunity to do so.

Chipper Chat

(9,673 posts)
3. I always watch Joy when she is on
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:39 PM
Apr 2017

but this time I sense that she was handed a complete script. I too just stopped watching it. The "masters " were in control.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
13. Agree,that interview was
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 11:55 PM
Apr 2017

not going anywhere. Different Producers and writers. Joy was too constrained.

Chipper Chat

(9,673 posts)
14. Joy is so smart she should be the next moderator of Meet the Press
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 10:56 AM
Apr 2017

Last edited Tue Apr 18, 2017, 01:51 PM - Edit history (1)

if Toad ever leaves.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
28. A tip- no one uses diminutive forms to refer to females anymore.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 01:29 PM
Apr 2017

Because they're just that- diminutive.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
30. I didn't get it- been so long since I've seen an -ess or -ette.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:01 PM
Apr 2017

Thanks for not being a jerk about it! LOL.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
31. I think the "script" was to use BS to promote divisiveness again....
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:03 PM
Apr 2017

And Perez wants to avoid that. Can't blame him there.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
6. Aloha Cha
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:54 PM
Apr 2017

I did see it and was disappointed in his responses. He wasn't on his game and seemed to think our outstanding asset was our values, that they would lead us to wins. He later stressed the 50 state strategy. He was asked about BS which is not the problem for me that it is for others and he kept dancing around it rather than straight up addressing it. Even when pressed. I thought it was an anemic performance and felt my heart sink for the future of the Democratic Party.

Now I'm tired which is why I asked if others saw it as maybe I'm off on this.

DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
8. I agree.
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 11:03 PM
Apr 2017

Previously Tom was a straight shooter.

Tonight, because of the association with BS and his supporter lists, Tom was unable to answer questions in a straight forward manner. He sounded like a just another inside the beltway slimy politician who will go to great lengths to avoid answering the question posed. I was stunned.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
16. I think that's a bit harsh..
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:13 PM
Apr 2017

Joy was right to ask the question, she's very no-nonsense about Dem strategies. I think if she was on her own show she would have peppered her questions a bit more but Tom is in a position where he wants party unity and doesn't want to ruffle feathers.

I've yet to read a solid reason why Sanders would refuse to share his list.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
18. +1, I thought he sounded hamstrung because of the BS
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:21 PM
Apr 2017

association, as well. But I got the impression his goal was to shape the message being presented so that Democrats and the DNC aren't completely smeared going forward. So I wasn't completely disappointed, but he was a little reticent.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
22. But Isn't That Something Also
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:29 PM
Apr 2017

Is it in the DNC's, re: ours, best interests that he be hamstrung right now? And I hope he realizes it will take more than "our values" to win. He better be thinking of getting out those clipboards.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
26. Totally agree. This can't be just a damage control tour
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 01:04 PM
Apr 2017

hoping Democrats aren't maligned. It should have more structure to it. Signing people up makes sense, and it does make you wonder what's up with it all. It is annoying.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
33. Me too about Dean. What a loss. I saw him on what was probably his last
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:21 PM
Apr 2017

interview about the position. It was on MSNBC, forgot which afternoon show, and another guest was insisting that Democrats couldn't raise corporate money, and his response was that they should fundraise however they can. Shortly after that, he announced he wouldn't seek the position. My only conclusion was that he saw how hamstrung Democrats would be with the nonsensical new purity rules and found it untenable and just another way for Republicans to savage Democrats. Why on earth would one party completely give away all their power and get absolutely nothing in return. Nothing, just Republican Presidents.

Now we see his 50-state strategy is being usurped as well. It's mind-boggling.

Cha

(296,853 posts)
9. That's too bad.. no one is perfect, though,
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 11:10 PM
Apr 2017

..we all have off times.. and I'm still hopeful for our Dem Party.

BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
19. Wow, someone should mark this for posterity
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:22 PM
Apr 2017

Pretty sure it's the first time I've ever read anything approaching criticism of Joy Reid on DU. Looks like the bloom is off the rose. Bigly.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
21. Pretty sure this isn't about Joy, though.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:29 PM
Apr 2017

It's about Tom Perez on with her (substituting for Rachel).

Me.

(35,454 posts)
23. Wasn't Criticizing Joy
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:30 PM
Apr 2017

The bloom is still on that rose, the critique was of Perez and there the bloom is fading.

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
25. During the primaries, a lot of Bernie supporters complained about her.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:36 PM
Apr 2017

They also hated Rachel. Not sure if they ever came around or not.

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